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1 minute ago, fishgrappler said:

Really? 

Yes. Really. I want to see the data.

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2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I think Oliver will be fine.  I liked the pick.  Always love building in the trenches first.

 

But yea if we all had it over again I think 80 percent of us would say DK.  

 

Absolutely nothing against Oliver.  Just saying this offense desperately needs his prototype at WR.  

 

 

Agree with this 100 percent.  Still see the talent there. 

I still would never take Metcalf in the top 10

 

DTs usually take a few years to flash, Metcalf has Wilson one of the best QBs in the world

 

 

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4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. 
 

He’s having a very quiet season.

I'm officially disappointed. 

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11 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

The guy I've been harping about since draft day: Metcalf.

 

 

This horse is so beaten it's now glue. 

 

You know who everyone wanted on the D-line before the draft? Quinnen Williams. Jets fans have declared him a bust after 8 games. Maybe the Bills can pick him up for a 7th in the off-season.

 

A steady hand in developing young players is more important than your (and other's) hot-takes and hindsight drafting. 

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It seems to me that coaching staff relied on Jordan Philips and Vincent Taylor to stop the run.

I will look at the snap count analysis, but if this is the case, not a very good sign for Star and Ed, which are supposed to be our starters...

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10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I still would never take Metcalf in the top 10

 

DTs usually take a few years to flash, Metcalf has Wilson one of the best QBs in the world

 

Nor me. Metcalf is playing well. He is exactly who I expected him to be in that offense and yet he is still not a top 10 pick.

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26 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

It seems to me that coaching staff relied on Jordan Philips and Vincent Taylor to stop the run.

I will look at the snap count analysis, but if this is the case, not a very good sign for Star and Ed, which are supposed to be our starters...

 

Oliver didn't start yesterday. Phillips did. 

 

Seemed like a lot more Taylor and Shaq in the 2nd half, but most noticeably Taylor. I barely registered Star in the 4th and I was watching that rotation all day. 

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15 hours ago, Bangarang said:

When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. 
 

He’s having a very quiet season.

 

He's too small.

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12 hours ago, vincec said:

Obviously it's too early to make a judgement, but I would like to see a few flashes from him to make me feel better. He just seems so quiet on the field all the time.

Did you miss the redskins second drive? He was destroying their line. 

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It's clear that Oliver has to bulk up if he wants to play DT.  They'll get him on the steroid program and he'll be fine.

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11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I still would never take Metcalf in the top 10

 

DTs usually take a few years to flash, Metcalf has Wilson one of the best QBs in the world

 

 

Agreed. And Lockett out there to draw attention away from him. 

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Well well well how the turn tables. There was a time I felt he was getting there.

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1 hour ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

It seems to me that coaching staff relied on Jordan Philips and Vincent Taylor to stop the run.

I will look at the snap count analysis, but if this is the case, not a very good sign for Star and Ed, which are supposed to be our starters...

If pro-football-reference.com is correct, here are the numbers:

Vincent Taylor - Only 9 snaps or 18%

Ed Oliver  only 18 snaps or 35%

Phillips 33 or 65%

Star 29 snaps or 57%

Star was a part of the 2nd half adjustments. To me, it doesn't look so bad for Star. Guys, there has to be a rotation of players. It helps them stay fresh. As for Ed, I think he will be effective as penetrating during passing situations, not as effective as a run stopper. Our LBs and safeties need to do their jobs too.

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8 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Our LBs and safeties need to do their jobs too.

 

Edmunds seems terrible when run is going inside the tackle-box, while he's very good covering from sideline to sideline.

Even if he is in the right position runner is down three yards after the point of impact.

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14 minutes ago, Dopey said:

If pro-football-reference.com is correct, here are the numbers:

Vincent Taylor - Only 9 snaps or 18%

Ed Oliver  only 18 snaps or 35%

Phillips 33 or 65%

Star 29 snaps or 57%

Star was a part of the 2nd half adjustments. To me, it doesn't look so bad for Star. Guys, there has to be a rotation of players. It helps them stay fresh. As for Ed, I think he will be effective as penetrating during passing situations, not as effective as a run stopper. Our LBs and safeties need to do their jobs too.

35 percent isn't that bad - bear in mind that the Redskins ran a ridiculously low 49 plays (because they went 2-11 on third down). 

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12 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

Edmunds seems terrible when run is going inside the tackle-box, while he's very good covering from sideline to sideline.

Even if he is in the right position runner is down three yards after the point of impact.

I'm hoping he gets better at gap assignment. He can be a good one. Still a work in progress. Maybe he's still "thinking about it" too much and not to the point where it's a reaction. 

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

35 percent isn't that bad - bear in mind that the Redskins ran a ridiculously low 49 plays (because they went 2-11 on third down). 

I like Oliver. If we had bigger leads, he could come in and do what I think we got him for. Create pressure in passing situations. He's shown he can chase down rbs too. For now, I'm good with the Phillips-Star combo and a rotation of Taylor and Ed.

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16 hours ago, BmarvB said:

He's going to need more time and experience

He's going to need more size if they want to keep him inside, problem with that he could loose quickness. Yesterday it looked as if he was being pushed around easily taken out of the play. 

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Solid C+ 

Has things to work on, as any rookie would. If we had more or bigger leads, he could come in as the penetrating DT we envisioned he would be.

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17 hours ago, Bangarang said:

When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. 
 

He’s having a very quiet season.

 

I expected the same.  Based on what he brought in college.. I thought he would be living in the backfield and disrupting running plays and getting the occasional sack.  The Bills had said as much when they drafted him.. that he was effectively a Kyle Williams replacement.  Everyone remembers KW's play.. he would shoot through the line and get the STF or disrupt the play (or the other team would run right through the hole he created with his penetration).  

 

To be honest, I don't know what would be worse.  The Bill's decision makers trying to turn him into a space eater like Lotulelei or Oliver just not having the ability to penetrate like he did in college.  

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17 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

Man I hope this kid can get much better.  Hopefully he can be coached up. Otherwise huge first round whiff.

It will be interesting to see how alot of draft picks turn out.

 

Beane is seen as a good gm and talent assessor generally but if Oliver, Ford, Edmunds and Allen all start panning out to be average or worse than people will need to start asking questions. 

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2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

It will be interesting to see how alot of draft picks turn out.

 

Beane is seen as a good gm and talent assessor generally but if Oliver, Ford, Edmunds and Allen all start panning out to be average or worse than people will need to start asking questions. 

Honestly, I do wonder about the tactical deployment of a few of these guys.  For all listed (except for Allen), you could make an argument that the Bills aren't using them in optimal positions or in the correct manner.  Might not be misses per se... might just be not letting players play to their strengths.  Only time will tell I suppose.  

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