Phil The Thrill Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I have a feeling that with the way the Bills secondary is playing that the offense game plan for New England will target against Tremaine Edmunds. He had a very good week against the Jets stopping Bell, he did fairly well against Saquan Barkley after the first drive. While Mixon was held in held for the most part, he did break a long screen when Edmunds blew containment. One major problem with Edmunds is that he’s allowed blockers to take him out of plays. He just doesn’t shed blocks well. Based on the success NE had last year on the ground, and with Edleman hobbled by an injury, I can see BB trying to pound the ball on the defense again. But specifically I think he’ll run off the edges and try to hit some RB screens to target Edmunds’ weakness. I don’t see Brady throwing for a ton of yards on our defense but I do think the plan is to pound the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) NE is having trouble running the ball, especially last week. There concerned about their offense online. They are down a center and left tackle. I was listening to NE sports radio today. They were saying they are concerned about this week especially if eldmen is out, but do believe they will be getting there left tackle back in 6 to 8 weeks and even if they loss this weekend they will still win the divison easily. They feel there schedule is easy for another 5 or 6 weeks. FYI there reporting eldmen is fine. Edited September 24, 2019 by clearwater cadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 They just IRd Develin. Edmunds is safe from targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said: NE is having trouble running the ball, especially last week. There concerned about their offense online. They are down a center and left tackle. I was listening to NE sports radio today. They were saying they are concerned about this week especially if eldmen is out, but do believe they will be getting there left tackle back in 6 to 8 weeks and even if they loss this weekend they will still win the divison easily. They feel there schedule is easy for another 5 or 6 weeks. FYI there reporting eldmen is fine. Edelman is fine until the first time someone lays the lumber to him with how bruised he's supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Yes, they will run right at him unless he proves to not be a liability in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, GG said: They just IRd Develin. Edmunds is safe from targeting. Yeah, that is an underrated injury IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Happy to see that devlin wont be playing. He laid some serious wood on Edmunds last year. I’m sure Tremaines head would be on a swivel if he knew he was out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I have a feeling that with the way the Bills secondary is playing that the offense game plan for New England will target against Tremaine Edmunds. He had a very good week against the Jets stopping Bell, he did fairly well against Saquan Barkley after the first drive. While Mixon was held in held for the most part, he did break a long screen when Edmunds blew containment. One major problem with Edmunds is that he’s allowed blockers to take him out of plays. He just doesn’t shed blocks well. Based on the success NE had last year on the ground, and with Edleman hobbled by an injury, I can see BB trying to pound the ball on the defense again. But specifically I think he’ll run off the edges and try to hit some RB screens to target Edmunds’ weakness. I don’t see Brady throwing for a ton of yards on our defense but I do think the plan is to pound the defense. I expect we will see a heavy dose of running and screens but not because of Edmunds, because that is who NE is now. I am sure we will also see the usual quotient of quick passes to PED boy. Edmunds received a good deal of blame from the fans around her for the Bills poor run defense in the last NE game, and although he was not blameless, he was not the primary problem. Milano was also missing in the lineup which created a huge problem on that side of the defense. We are also missing Taron Johnson, as we may be again, and his replacements were simply not in the same class in run support. NE killed us on the edges as a result. every tackle is not Edmunds responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Contrary to popular belief, the key to beating NE*** is stopping the run. Has been for several years now. Brady is hard enough to control when he IS forced to be one dimensional, it’s virtually impossible when he’s constantly in manageable down and distance situations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I would target Edmunds too. He’s not physical enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Brady will do his thing. The only thing I worry about is whether our offense can play mistake-free football for four quarters... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 it's probably that he's just thinking too much out there. Kid's barely 21 years old with no prior experience calling defenses and has more responsibility on his shoulders than he's ever had at any level of football. When you're in a position where you need to be more cerebral on the field, you tend to gravitate towards playing with more finesse and less power. It's hard to fill a hole like a raging barbarian when you're also trying to process a pile of mental checks that you're not necessarily accustomed to. I'd imagine that over time those responsibilities will start to become second nature to him and we'll see him develop the capability to just cut loose and play ball. When he does, he'll likely be a more effective player for having gone through this process. It's probably just going to take a bit more than 15-20 NFL games to get there though. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I actually LOVE that we have a bunch of young, talented guys who have a lot to learn. That looks like a team on the rise to me! 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, Augie said: I actually LOVE that we have a bunch of young, talented guys who have a lot to learn. That looks like a team on the rise to me! This D is interesting. Very very good but with no person or level that stands out. Perhaps the backend is the strength. It’s hard to identify who truly sets the tone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: This D is interesting. Very very good but with no person or level that stands out. Perhaps the backend is the strength. It’s hard to identify who truly sets the tone. This is exactly what I have been pondering recently. Other good defenses have star players, especially on the D line. This team doesn’t have that star player on the line. Yet they are collectively playing together within the system to shut down offenses. They seem to be a group of complimentary players where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: This D is interesting. Very very good but with no person or level that stands out. Perhaps the backend is the strength. It’s hard to identify who truly sets the tone. I think the two safeties run the show. Those guys are ultra valuable to this D. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I think the two safeties run the show. Those guys are ultra valuable to this D. They were here both hand picked by McDermott and you have to include Tre as the other hand picked player. The three are very much the strength of this D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 What's a proiblem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: This D is interesting. Very very good but with no person or level that stands out. Perhaps the backend is the strength. It’s hard to identify who truly sets the tone. From watching live, it’s clear the safeties and Tre run things out there. One play Poyer/Hyde were screaming at 29 or 39 to get to the other side of the formation. They got him moved right before the snap and sure enough he ran up and had a clean sack on Dalton. Edmund doesn’t have the instincts of a MLB. Age isn’t going to change that. I have said this before, find me some plays where he goes forward and plugs a hole or wrecks a play. He likes to use his length and tackle with his arms. With his build and skill set he would be a great outside backer. For some reason people take that as a slight against him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Maybe. But isn’t MLB one of those positions that’s supposed to be fairly plug and play from college to the pros? We’ve seen other Mike rookies come in and dominate from the gate. And he also just doesn’t seem to play violently even when he reads the play and squares up to hit - I’m not sure he’s ever going to be a violent thumper type. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, CommonCents said: From watching live, it’s clear the safeties and Tre run things out there. One play Poyer/Hyde were screaming at 29 or 39 to get to the other side of the formation. They got him moved right before the snap and sure enough he ran up and had a clean sack on Dalton. Edmund doesn’t have the instincts of a MLB. Age isn’t going to change that. I have said this before, find me some plays where he goes forward and plugs a hole or wrecks a play. He likes to use his length and tackle with his arms. With his build and skill set he would be a great outside backer. For some reason people take that as a slight against him. Edmunds is proving to be a better pass disruptor vs arum stopper. Maybe this is why he was selected. If so, a very different MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: I think it's taken as a slight because that's not what McBeane want or have planned for him. If he continues to struggle all year I suspect they'll move him to the outside and draft or sign a guy to play the position. They won't. Edmunds is doing exactly what he was brought in to do. You have brought up the NE game last year before. I doubt it will happen again, especially with Milano back in the line up. In any event, a run stuffing MLB is more a liability in todays NFL than an asset. McD is just not interested in a run stuffing MLB. He wants a guy that is good in coverage and plays sideline to sideline. He does this exceptionally well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Maybe. But isn’t MLB one of those positions that’s supposed to be fairly plug and play from college to the pros? We’ve seen other Mike rookies come in and dominate from the gate. And he also just doesn’t seem to play violently even when he reads the play and squares up to hit - I’m not sure he’s ever going to be a violent thumper type. Xactly. MLB takes a fair amount of crazy. He isn’t that. He thinks too much and gets washed out of more plays than he should. He has all pro potential as an outside backer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He's good in coverage for sure. Just about everything else is meh, IMO. Doesn't shed blocks well, doesn't tackle well, still overpurses plays and ball carriers, gets dragged for yards when he does make a stop. Yeah, I don't think that has been true this year, at all. There are exceptions, but he has been really good consistently. I think you just fall guilty to only seeing the bad plays. For example, you saw the screen Sunday and think he had a bad game. He bit too hard on the play fake, so he didn't see the blocker moving up to his outside shoulder. Not great, but it was one play. He was solid the remainder of the game. Great example... Edited September 25, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He's good in coverage for sure. Just about everything else is meh, IMO. Doesn't shed blocks well, doesn't tackle well, still overpurses plays and ball carriers, gets dragged for yards when he does make a stop. This is the central issue sows he need to bulk up to be a run stopper or stay the same to cover. My guess is McDermott wants the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Not really. I rewatched the entire game. He over pursued several times, and misread some plays while struggling to shed blocks. He was by no means awful. But he doesn't play sideline to sideline "exceptionally well" at this point. Honestly. No disrespect. Do you watch the all-22? I mean, sure, if you watch on TV, its hard to follow and understandable for you to think that. The different camera angle reveals a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: This D is interesting. Very very good but with no person or level that stands out. Perhaps the backend is the strength. It’s hard to identify who truly sets the tone. Hyde and Poyer set it and they are really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Probably the first 21 year old accused of thinking too much... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I think he is exactly the type of middle lb McDermott wants more coverage than thumping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 was really good against the giants, struggle a little versus Bengals in second half- he's gonna be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Maybe. But isn’t MLB one of those positions that’s supposed to be fairly plug and play from college to the pros? I don't know if there's any such thing in this league any more. With all the various personnel packages and the massive amount of nickel and dime they are running, Edmunds has different keys and responsibilities on virtually every different down and distance he sees. Maybe if his only two responsibilities were to fill the right hole and drop in a Cover2 there might be cause for concern. But even an alien like Keuchly started his rookie year on the outside before he eventually got moved to the Mike. If he's not significantly more consistent by the end of this year, it might be time to worry about it then. For now, he's just a very young dude whose playing well but with room for improvement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 He's my disappointment of the year, he got drafted high and that brings great expectations, especially when the name Lawrence Taylor got thrown around with him.. right now, he's not even playing well, forget great. Maybe outside would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, DCofNC said: He's my disappointment of the year, he got drafted high and that brings great expectations, especially when the name Lawrence Taylor got thrown around with him.. right now, he's not even playing well, forget great. Maybe outside would be better. If you watch the all-22, it is immediately apparent he is playing as well as anyone on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Simon said: it's probably that he's just thinking too much out there. Kid's barely 21 years old with no prior experience calling defenses and has more responsibility on his shoulders than he's ever had at any level of football. When you're in a position where you need to be more cerebral on the field, you tend to gravitate towards playing with more finesse and less power. It's hard to fill a hole like a raging barbarian when you're also trying to process a pile of mental checks that you're not necessarily accustomed to. I'd imagine that over time those responsibilities will start to become second nature to him and we'll see him develop the capability to just cut loose and play ball. When he does, he'll likely be a more effective player for having gone through this process. It's probably just going to take a bit more than 15-20 NFL games to get there though. no prior experience? what do you call all of last year? last year's TC? this year's TC? no need to make excuses for him. He is fine! He had only 3 tackles the last game since the Bills for a big chunk of the game never let the Bengals' Offensive players reach the second level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Simon said: it's probably that he's just thinking too much out there. Kid's barely 21 years old with no prior experience calling defenses and has more responsibility on his shoulders than he's ever had at any level of football. When you're in a position where you need to be more cerebral on the field, you tend to gravitate towards playing with more finesse and less power. It's hard to fill a hole like a raging barbarian when you're also trying to process a pile of mental checks that you're not necessarily accustomed to. I'd imagine that over time those responsibilities will start to become second nature to him and we'll see him develop the capability to just cut loose and play ball. When he does, he'll likely be a more effective player for having gone through this process. It's probably just going to take a bit more than 15-20 NFL games to get there though. Edmunds hasn't stepped up as promised. The issues have been well documented in this thread. Not instinctive, gets locked on blocks etc... He's got 10 solo tackles in 3 games. Secondary members Poyer and Siran Neal have more combined and solo tackles than him and Levi Wallace and Tre White also have more solo tackles than him. That's way too much tackling in the secondary. 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: This D is interesting. Very very good but with no person or level that stands out. Perhaps the backend is the strength. It’s hard to identify who truly sets the tone. 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: They were here both hand picked by McDermott and you have to include Tre as the other hand picked player. The three are very much the strength of this D The secondary is obviously the strength......... but almost everyone on D was hand picked........even duds like Star and Vontae........over 20 of the defensive players were imported by McDermott including using 3 first round picks on D in his 3 drafts. But it's more about the coaching than the talent on D. There are plenty of defenses as talented that aren't nearly as efficient. The quality of the personnel shows up in the redone when it becomes more of a matchup game and the Bills really struggle mightily in the RZ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: This is the central issue sows he need to bulk up to be a run stopper or stay the same to cover. My guess is McDermott wants the latter. I think it's safer to say that he wants a player who does both very well. You don't draft a MLB in the middle of round 1 so that your safeties can make all of the tackles. For example Kuechly had 18 tackles two weeks ago........and is very good in coverage as well. 52 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: no prior experience? what do you call all of last year? last year's TC? this year's TC? no need to make excuses for him. He is fine! He had only 3 tackles the last game since the Bills for a big chunk of the game never let the Bengals' Offensive players reach the second level. He played LB for 3 years at VA Tech too............its not like Brian Urlacher entering the NFL as a safety out of the Mountain West conference (and turning into a superstar MLB day one). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) I don't think it is as much of his age (21) as it is experience (barely in his second year). One would have to believe that McD wants Edmunds to cover the middle/slot, stop the run, and rush the passer on occasion. Right now, Edmunds is good at covering the slot receiver and TE. He looks to need more work with stopping the run; if the DL doesn't hit the back first, there is a good chance the RB is making it to the secondary for a big gain. I haven't seen him rush the passer much, though that is probably more a function of scheme - Frazier doesn't blitz a whole lot. I was also hoping (expecting) that Edmunds would have bulked up a little this past off season. Doesn't look like he has done this. If Edmunds is still struggling against the run and shedding blockers by season's end, I'm in the camp that he should be moved to OLB and Beane/McD should look for another MLB - either FA or draft. Edited September 25, 2019 by Happy Gilmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He's good in coverage for sure. Just about everything else is meh, IMO. Doesn't shed blocks well, doesn't tackle well, still over pursues plays and ball carriers, gets dragged for yards when he does make a stop. I agree....time will tell but I sense he will eventually be moved outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He's good in coverage for sure. Just about everything else is meh, IMO. Doesn't shed blocks well, doesn't tackle well, still over pursues plays and ball carriers, gets dragged for yards when he does make a stop. Does not have the classic "nose for the ball" you would like from that position IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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