YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Quote Josh Allen has done a better job in 2019 of getting the ball out of his hand quickly, though against the Bengals, Allen held onto the ball for an average of 2.94 seconds. For comparison, as my colleague Matthew Fairburn wrote, Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton held onto it for an average of 2.38. That difference of 0.56 seconds, on average, can determine whether a pass rush gets into the backfield or you don’t even have a chance. For Dalton, getting the ball out that quickly helped hide the Bengals’ poor offensive line play. Conversely, Allen’s proclivity to hang onto the ball tested the Bills’ offensive line every possession. good stuff on Ford at RG, Edmunds progress, how they will replace Harry (Jordan Phillips + Peko) Edited September 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Good to see Ford excelled at guard, no need to rush Feliciano back. Still hope that he could have been a plug and play RT out the gate, but some development will be needed and all O-line positions have nearly equal value now. It does seem like Josh had a slow down in his release. But of course that's going to come with a rookie QB ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! 10 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Uh oh... edmunds and ford haters will hate on this lol 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! It's the most stupidest stat there is because of that. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'm not posting this to bash Joe B but I think credibility for knowing how to look at film matters. Just saying you looked at film is still dependent on ones ability to translate what they're seeing. Making the statement Josh Allen holding on to the ball for an average of 2.94 seconds as a "proclivity" (ridiculous), tested the Bills offensive line every possession is pretty absurd. What if it results in a 25 yard pass or he's properly going through his progressions or no one is open? On that comment it's hard for me to take him seriously. Maybe there's more substance/context in the article because I don't subscribe to The Athletic. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Ford does seem more like a natural fit at guard. I think we need to keep him there and let him develop rather than going back and forth between tackle and guard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, DJB said: Ford does seem more like a natural fit at guard. I think we need to keep him there and let him develop rather than going back and forth between tackle and guard Feliciano may have actually beaten him out at RG... but if he has to miss any time with the neck thing good to know ford playing well 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! Would be interesting to see the time stat for every throw, you could get a better feel for an average throw. And see the scrambles and flip plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Feliciano may have actually beaten him out at RG... but if he has to miss any time with the neck thing good to know ford playing well Oh I agree that Feliciano has been better no disputing that. Id actually like to see Feliciano at LG , Cody at RG and Spain on the bench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! Same could be said about the sweeps when he "passes" it to Mckenzie. It probably is in his hands for 1/10 of a second. There are definitely going to be outliers on both ends. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, DJB said: Ford does seem more like a natural fit at guard. I think we need to keep him there and let him develop rather than going back and forth between tackle and guard Agreed. I’d give Ford a small chance at become becoming a very good RT and a solid chance at becoming a very good guard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Agreed. I’d give Ford a small chance at become becoming a very good RT and a solid chance at becoming a very good guard. Im a big Daniel Jeremiah fan and he basically said this. Pro Bowl type guard potential with Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: good stuff on Ford at RG, Edmunds progress, how they will replace Harry (Jordan Phillips + Peko) Anything from Cover 1. I like his breakdown best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Feliciano may have actually beaten him out at RG... but if he has to miss any time with the neck thing good to know ford playing well Which makes that an even better FA signing! I don’t care where we get them, as long as we are loaded with talent! It will all work out in the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Uh oh... edmunds and ford haters will hate on this lol Don’t subscribe. What was said about Edmunds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Through 3 games, it’s clear that Ford struggles more at RT than he does at RG. Probably would be best to keep him inside at this point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Same could be said about the sweeps when he "passes" it to Mckenzie. It probably is in his hands for 1/10 of a second. There are definitely going to be outliers on both ends. Yes, but we only discuss positive things related to Josh here. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I have the 7-day game pass trial and was just watching the all-22. Foster was getting open out there, but JA was not really looking his way. Not sure what Joe B said about Edmunds, but he looked terrific in pass coverage. I still am unclear whether he is doing exactly what is asked of him in the run game by just staying in his gap, as opposed to trying to attack more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Don’t subscribe. What was said about Edmunds? Paraphrasing — -trusted his eyes this week more in the run game. Fired into the running lane. Forced the RB to choose otherwise. -was also a monster in the open field —routinely took away space in pass coverage, when playing man-to-man and zone. -speed and athleticism to get to the edges and continued to force the runner out wide. - hiccup was a screen play late in the game that went for 33 yards and set up the Bengals’ go-ahead field goal. Edmunds was the last line of defense and was gobbled up by a blocker. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! Most QB's scramble, I would think for many of them, this stat evens out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Paraphrasing — -trusted his eyes this week more in the run game. Fired into the running lane. Forced the RB to choose otherwise. -was also a monster in the open field —routinely took away space in pass coverage, when playing man-to-man and zone. -speed and athleticism to get to the edges and continued to force the runner out wide. - hiccup was a screen play late in the game that went for 33 yards and set up the Bengals’ go-ahead field goal. Edmunds was the last line of defense and was gobbled up by a blocker. And to think that Sal Maiorana wrote a lengthy piece yesterday stating the exact opposite. That Edmunds has appeared lost & out of place & been invisible out there & on film. Of course it was Sal saying those things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Paraphrasing — -trusted his eyes this week more in the run game. Fired into the running lane. Forced the RB to choose otherwise. -was also a monster in the open field —routinely took away space in pass coverage, when playing man-to-man and zone. -speed and athleticism to get to the edges and continued to force the runner out wide. - hiccup was a screen play late in the game that went for 33 yards and set up the Bengals’ go-ahead field goal. Edmunds was the last line of defense and was gobbled up by a blocker. If I’m not mistaken this is a complete 180 from what I’ve read about him from other outlets. Correct? Ill be be honest I can’t follow things as well when I’m there live than I can when at home, so I couldn’t tell you how he played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 It was really interesting to see the evidence of Johnson getting pinned inside multiple times and being exposed losing contain. Hopefully that will be something that gets remedied immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, brianthomas said: And to think that Sal Maiorana wrote a lengthy piece yesterday stating the exact opposite. That Edmunds has appeared lost & out of place & been invisible out there & on film. Of course it was Sal saying those things Thats why I was expressing skepticism in the “Sal thread” on here. I don’t get the sense he knows what to look for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, DJB said: Ford does seem more like a natural fit at guard. I think we need to keep him there and let him develop rather than going back and forth between tackle and guard I don't think he'll ever have the athleticism to play Tackle in this league. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bills commit to him learning to play LG this entire offseason and see if he can develop into our next Ruben Brown. Building a three-headed monster on the interior of the OLine is the best way to enable Josh Allen to fulfill his potential at QB; if that boy can set his feet and consistently have a platform to work from, he could be a monster out there. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: If I’m not mistaken this is a complete 180 from what I’ve read about him from other outlets. Correct? Ill be be honest I can’t follow things as well when I’m there live than I can when at home, so I couldn’t tell you how he played. Last week, Joe B said he did not do well vs the run. So this is an improvement from that aspect. He says he thought cincy targeted him based on the film from the Giants game but he rebounded nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! Great observation!!!!! Most of these data and analytics guys have likely never taken elementary stats, much less an advanced stats course. So the tend to report these kinds of numbers without any discussion of the impact outliers have on skew the average. Maybe report the median? Any kid in an intro to stats class will tell you the median is often more telling than the average as it's susceptible to outliers in the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's the most stupidest stat there is because of that. Yep. Should be "in pocket," release time, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Edmunds has had a really rough time shedding blocks so far this year. Still wondering if he’d be best off the ball in the Jamie Collins role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: I think Josh’s average release time gets skewed by some of his scrambles. For instance, there was one play where he held it for eight seconds!!! Correct. But that isn’t always a positive. Allen has us some issues with decision making, but he’s getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Thats why I was expressing skepticism in the “Sal thread” on here. I don’t get the sense he knows what to look for. Yeah while reading the article i got the same sense that Sal knows that too, since he made so many references of snaps & plays, just to give evidence to support his view. Like it was a court case or something. On one hand its good to list the source plays, but on the other, those mean nothing unless u know what Edmunds was supposed to be doing on that play & if u know what to look for while watching film. To me i see Edmunds is still learning & growing into his role. I also see our coach having the confidence in him, to give him so many snaps, every defensive snap so far if Sal is to be believed. If Coach trusts Edmunds enough to do that, he must be doing what he's supposed to imo. And we're 3-0 & we have the best D in the league. Edited September 25, 2019 by brianthomas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DJB said: Im a big Daniel Jeremiah fan and he basically said this. Pro Bowl type guard potential with Ford. Has anyone outside of Beane ever said that he could be a good RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, White Linen said: I'm not posting this to bash Joe B but I think credibility for knowing how to look at film matters. Just saying you looked at film is still dependent on ones ability to translate what they're seeing. Making the statement Josh Allen holding on to the ball for an average of 2.94 seconds as a "proclivity" (ridiculous), tested the Bills offensive line every possession is pretty absurd. What if it results in a 25 yard pass or he's properly going through his progressions or no one is open? On that comment it's hard for me to take him seriously. Maybe there's more substance/context in the article because I don't subscribe to The Athletic. Joe B. has a “proclivity” to say things like “Allen was really good” or “Beasley was super consistent”. He loves the generalities. I skim his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umangatan Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Feliciano may have actually beaten him out at RG... but if he has to miss any time with the neck thing good to know ford playing well I think Feliciano is great but I think Ford has more "upside"(God, I hate that word, lol). Ford imo is more physically gifted but Feliciano has way more grit. By studying under Feliciano ford will learn a lot. He is our starting guard for the next several years(but maybe starting in two).... 8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Joe B. has a “proclivity” to say things like “Allen was really good” or “Beasley was super consistent”. He loves the generalities. I skim his stuff. Who do you like to read? I think the Athletic is par none. They do a very thorough and in depth analysis in my opinion. Any podcasts you or anyone else on the board might recommend? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Why are people shocked that the offense struggles at times during games? Nine new starters has EVERYTHING to do with that. With that said, the "nine new starters" statement ends the second half of this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, umang_a_desai said: Who do you like to read? I think the Athletic is par none. They do a very thorough and in depth analysis in my opinion. Any podcasts you or anyone else on the board might recommend? Thanks. Sal. Greg Cosell. Cover 1. Sirius XM NFL channel are very informative. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umangatan Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Sal. Greg Cosell. Cover 1. Sirius XM NFL channel are very informative. Does Sal have a new podcast? If so, what'a it called? Haven't come across it. Used to watch his live stream back when he was in florida, lol. BTW lot of respect for Cosell. Edited September 25, 2019 by umang_a_desai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: - hiccup was a screen play late in the game that went for 33 yards and set up the Bengals’ go-ahead field goal. Edmunds was the last line of defense and was gobbled up by a blocker. I remember thinking that play was going to get called ineligible man downfield for the guy who blocked Edmunds...would love to see a replay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, umang_a_desai said: Does Sal have a new podcast? If so, what'a it called? Haven't come across it. Used to watch his live stream back when he was in florida, lol. BTW lot of respect for Cosell. Best podcast imo is Joe Marino/ Locked on Bills. He’s a Bills fan but objective. Great with analysis imo. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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