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I would definitely look into this. I think he can be fantastic. 

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Beane and McD find corners working at Wallmart that come in and make plays   One of the nice things about our team situation.....our cap flexibility and ability to find talent......Levi Wall

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1 hour ago, DefenseWins said:

here is a complete list of Miami’s NFL Draft capital for the 2020 draft.

– 2020 1st-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 1st-round pick (HOU)
– 2020 2nd-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 2nd-round pick (NO)
– 2020 3rd-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 3rd-round pick (Comp – Ja’Wuan James)
– 2020 4th-round pick (MIA or TEN)
– 2020 5th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 5th-round pick (Comp – Cam Wake)
– 2020 6th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 6th-round pick (DAL)
– 2020 7th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 7th-round pick (KC)

 

Combined with the fact that the Dolphins will most likely be drafting somewhere in the top 5 anyway one would think that they have enough draft capital to move up to get their QB of the future in next years draft. The difference between the Bills and Dolphins is that the Bills already had several pieces (particularly on defence) when they traded up to get Josh Allen. By trading the #10 pick to KC (which turned out to be Mahomes) the Bills got extremely lucky to not only get KC's #1 pick the following year plus pick up Tre White who has become a mainstay in their secondary. They also dipped into the FA market and got Hyde and Poyer at a very reasonable cost. Milano also was a great find in the 5th rd of the 2017 NFL Draft. Beane also was able to get Tremaine Edmunds by moving up in the 1st rd after taking Josh at pick #7.

 

If Minkah Fitspatrick is indeed the good young player he appears to be, I think Miami would be foolish to trade him even for a #1 which I doubt that they would get for him. 

 

Depends on whether any team or teams picking above them (assuming they're not the worst, which is possible) need a QB.

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I'm not understanding all the posts about having to pay our own...Fitzpatrick is on a rookie deal that still has 4 years left on it plus a 5th year option...it would be 3-4 years before they had to worry about if they're gonna pay him more $$...wouldn't be any different then if they had 3 1st round picks instead of 2 that year...I'm not saying go get him I'm just confused on why anybody cares about $$ that doesn't need to be worried about for like 4 years or so or why your worried about $$ period.

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2 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

I'm not understanding all the posts about having to pay our own...Fitzpatrick is on a rookie deal that still has 4 years left on it plus a 5th year option...it would be 3-4 years before they had to worry about if they're gonna pay him more $$...wouldn't be any different then if they had 3 1st round picks instead of 2 that year...I'm not saying go get him I'm just confused on why anybody cares about $$ that doesn't need to be worried about for like 4 years or so or why your worried about $$ period.

 

He'll demand more money after his 3rd season.

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Gotta love Wiki....:lol:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkah_Fitzpatrick

 

"After his old team, the Miami Dolphins, gave up on the 2019 season, Fitzpatrick requested a trade and was granted permission to seek one on September 12th 2019."

 

"Minkah Fitzpatrick (born November 17, 1996)[1] is an American football safety for the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League (NFL)."

 

 

Earlier, I saw he played for the Seahawks.    Somebody needs to change it to the Bills....

 

 

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2 hours ago, DefenseWins said:

here is a complete list of Miami’s NFL Draft capital for the 2020 draft.

– 2020 1st-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 1st-round pick (HOU)
– 2020 2nd-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 2nd-round pick (NO)
– 2020 3rd-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 3rd-round pick (Comp – Ja’Wuan James)
– 2020 4th-round pick (MIA or TEN)
– 2020 5th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 5th-round pick (Comp – Cam Wake)
– 2020 6th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 6th-round pick (DAL)
– 2020 7th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 7th-round pick (KC)

 

Combined with the fact that the Dolphins will most likely be drafting somewhere in the top 5 anyway one would think that they have enough draft capital to move up to get their QB of the future in next years draft. The difference between the Bills and Dolphins is that the Bills already had several pieces (particularly on defence) when they traded up to get Josh Allen. By trading the #10 pick to KC (which turned out to be Mahomes) the Bills got extremely lucky to not only get KC's #1 pick the following year plus pick up Tre White who has become a mainstay in their secondary. They also dipped into the FA market and got Hyde and Poyer at a very reasonable cost. Milano also was a great find in the 5th rd of the 2017 NFL Draft. Beane also was able to get Tremaine Edmunds by moving up in the 1st rd after taking Josh at pick #7.

 

If Minkah Fitspatrick is indeed the good young player he appears to be, I think Miami would be foolish to trade him even for a #1 which I doubt that they would get for him. 

The scary thing is, if they aren’t in love with any of the QBs, the Dolphins could trade out of the number 1 overall pick and get another huge haul, with the idea of tanking again for Lawrence in 2021.

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The scary thing is, if they aren’t in love with any of the QBs, the Dolphins could trade out of the number 1 overall pick and get another huge haul, with the idea of tanking again for Lawrence in 2021.

 

Then they send poor Flores packing after year 2 and bring in some big name HC and GM combo to play with all the picks and cap space he suffered to collect. 

 

That's the trouble with following this path. 

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4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Then they send poor Flores packing after year 2 and bring in some big name HC and GM combo to play with all the picks and cap space he suffered to collect. 

 

That's the trouble with following this path. 

It’s a variation on the Browns’ strategy and it’s far from certain that it can work.

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It hasn't worked for the Browns, yet. I question Kitchens as a HC. 

 

 

Yeah, Kitchens doesn’t seem like HC material to me, and I think he’s sitting on a powder keg.  If they lose to the Jests, all bets are off.

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9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yep...not to mention the fact that we need to continue to work on our offensive side of the ball......a lot of players on one year deals to like Spain......we dont have a true number 1

 

Now before ppl scream about Smoke to me...I think he is a fine player.....but we dont have that big fast physical WR that can make big plays and get separation....that is still missing on this team.

I think you need to look at Brown's comments concerning #1 WRs and then you may understand the philosophy of this offense.

 

 

2 hours ago, DefenseWins said:

here is a complete list of Miami’s NFL Draft capital for the 2020 draft.

– 2020 1st-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 1st-round pick (HOU)
– 2020 2nd-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 2nd-round pick (NO)
– 2020 3rd-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 3rd-round pick (Comp – Ja’Wuan James)
– 2020 4th-round pick (MIA or TEN)
– 2020 5th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 5th-round pick (Comp – Cam Wake)
– 2020 6th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 6th-round pick (DAL)
– 2020 7th-round pick (MIA)
– 2020 7th-round pick (KC)

 

Combined with the fact that the Dolphins will most likely be drafting somewhere in the top 5 anyway one would think that they have enough draft capital to move up to get their QB of the future in next years draft. The difference between the Bills and Dolphins is that the Bills already had several pieces (particularly on defence) when they traded up to get Josh Allen. By trading the #10 pick to KC (which turned out to be Mahomes) the Bills got extremely lucky to not only get KC's #1 pick the following year plus pick up Tre White who has become a mainstay in their secondary. They also dipped into the FA market and got Hyde and Poyer at a very reasonable cost. Milano also was a great find in the 5th rd of the 2017 NFL Draft. Beane also was able to get Tremaine Edmunds by moving up in the 1st rd after taking Josh at pick #7.

 

If Minkah Fitspatrick is indeed the good young player he appears to be, I think Miami would be foolish to trade him even for a #1 which I doubt that they would get for him. 

You can't trade up from 1st overall.

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9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Beane and McD find corners working at Wallmart that come in and make plays

 

One of the nice things about our team situation.....our cap flexibility and ability to find talent......Levi Wallace for instance.

 

There are going to be our own players that are going to need to be paid soon

If Minkah is signed by the Bills, he becomes one of our players.  If he turns out to be better than some others, then you pay him, and let others go. If is not as good, then you let him go to free agency. 

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1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Man, our secondary would be pretty badass but I don't see Miami trading in division, no matter how weird things look down there. I think the guy fits our D really well though.....

Dolphins trade Fitzpatrick to the cadinals, he injures his ankle in an ice skating accident, refuses to play for the cards, forces his way to get cut, signs with the bills for cheap.  We now have a blue print.

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9 hours ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

Would a second get it done and if so would any of you give up a second for the 11th overall pick last year who had a decent rookie year?

A 2nd is about fair vs his former draft status, look what Rosen brought back. 

 

That said, he looks to be an inside corner, not really the outside guy the Bills could use.  I wouldn't trade a 2nd for that position.  If they see a guy that can play outside or slide to FS, then yeah thats fine.  If theres one think I know, McDermott has forgotten more about DBs than I'll ever know, so that's all him.  

 

Its a great value IF he's the player you want/need and you can pull him for a second.  That's 4 years of high end play at mid tier money for a 2nd round pick.  I could see a contender being willing to fork over a first if they see a difference maker, a low first round pick for a high end contributor makes sense, but again, thats not the player I see him being. 

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51 minutes ago, mannc said:

The scary thing is, if they aren’t in love with any of the QBs, the Dolphins could trade out of the number 1 overall pick and get another huge haul, with the idea of tanking again for Lawrence in 2021.

Woof.. great point.  I have to think there will be a HUGE pressure from the NFL to tell them to get it together, this is embarrassing.  If they have the balls to tread it, maybe it doesn't matter.  If they could pull another high first and second this year, plus a 1st and chenge from next year to trade out, they would have SO much ammo, but then again, they could go a Raiders and not net anything with it.. risky business.

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10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

They're trading there 1st round pick 11th overall a year later. ?

 

It's really strange. Flores seemed to have a bone to pick with him from the moment he was hired. He changed his position and keeps moving him around and Minkah has performed poorly. 

 

However, Minkah and his mommy have been talking a bit too much so this ends up being a wise move. It's a "Go ahead and try to get a trade for a high price and see no one wants you at the cost of a 1st round pick"

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11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Beane and McD find corners working at Wallmart that come in and make plays

 

One of the nice things about our team situation.....our cap flexibility and ability to find talent......Levi Wallace for instance.

 

There are going to be our own players that are going to need to be paid soon

keep in mind, he's in the 2nd year of his 4 year (with a 5th year option)  rookie deal with an annual cap hit of 4-5m. We could trade for him, use his services for 3-4 years, and then cut bait. Nobody says we have to extend him. If he was in the last year of his deal, I'd say hell no. But if they think he's an upgrade, there's almost no risk to it.

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4 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

keep in mind, he's in the 2nd year of his 4 year (with a 5th year option)  with an annual cap hit of 4-5m. We could trade for him, use his services for 3-4 years, and then cut bait. Nobody says we have to extend him. If he was in the last year of his deal, I'd say hell no. But if they think he's an upgrade, there's almost no risk to it.

Fitzpatrick seems like a tremendous talent. Another high calibre DB. I like what you are saying...interesting possibility.

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10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

they saw what we did and want to be us.

 

 

But they aren't doing what the Bills did. This is pure fire sale. This is more like the browns model

 

The Bills traded Watkins and Darby, but got back picks and a starting WR and CB. They got value a viable replacement. I think that allowed players to buy in more to the "process" It wasn't a tank. It was a rebuild for furture and present.

 

Beane and McDermott played it beautifully if you ask me. Even if Allen doesnt work out, their plan and execution has been overall excellent

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Best case scenario is the Dolphins tank this year and become enamored with Tua or Herbert. 

 

I want them nowhere near Trevor Lawrence in 2021. 

 

Regardless, I don’t see it feasible for an NFL team to tank 2 years in a row.  This isn’t the NBA.. guys can get seriously injured every game.  You can’t ask for 2 straight years of taking under that premise.   

 

...and if they tried to, I think the NFL may look to the NBA and begin the motions of implementing a lottery system to prevent it. 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, MJS said:

Wow. Tanking isn't worth it if all your good, young players want out.

 

 

Ha!  My wife wanted out until she read the fine print "no trade" clause.

 

...and I am going to exercise my unlimited Franchise Tag until my last breath!

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Royale, my goodness!!

 

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2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

But they aren't doing what the Bills did. This is pure fire sale. This is more like the browns model

 

The Bills traded Watkins and Darby, but got back picks and a starting WR and CB. They got value a viable replacement. I think that allowed players to buy in more to the "process" It wasn't a tank. It was a rebuild for furture and present.

 

Beane and McDermott played it beautifully if you ask me. Even if Allen doesnt work out, their plan and execution has been overall excellent

 

yeah that is a better assessment but Allen is working out, book it.

 

 

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3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

It hasn't worked for the Browns, yet. I question Kitchens as a HC. 

 

 

Yeah, me too. During the off-season Browns hype, my thought was always, "this is a first time head coach with a bunch of monstrous egos at some important positions." So far it seems like he doesn't have a real tight grip on things given their 18 penalties (20 if you count the two that were declined) last week. Lot of combustible personalities on that roster and even though Cleveland gets some love on this board, I kinda wanna see them implode. Mayfield is kind of a dbag, OBJ is turd, Landry throws cheap shots that end careers, etc. It'd be hilarious to watch them turn into a trainwreck after all the hype they got in the off-season.

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I don't think Miami especially wants to be rid of him, but apparently Minkah wants out.  Surprise, Surprise!   Under those circumstances, Miami is willing to trade, but only if a trading partner is willing to overpay.  Of course, that means Buffalo will not be involved in the bidding.

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11 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I don't think Miami especially wants to be rid of him, but apparently Minkah wants out.  Surprise, Surprise!   Under those circumstances, Miami is willing to trade, but only if a trading partner is willing to overpay.  Of course, that means Buffalo will not be involved in the bidding.

Most likely accurate, but he could damn near firce his way out if he really wanted to.  It would be hard to believe they would trade him in division, but you never know, a pick is a pick and Buffalo's will probably be higher than most teams that would take the shot.

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