JOSH ALLEN post game thread

[Buffalo716]

38 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Not likely, been following the bills since 1963. As I said before Brett Favre had a 62% lifetime completion average. He was more accurate then Josh has shown so far. Maybe before you compare Favre and Josh you'll want to give Josh more than a year starting to base a judgment on. A gunslinger attitude could give you a Favre or can give you a Fitz. The jury is still out on Josh. I like to see him succeed but how about follow the rules before learning when to break them.

You bring up fitz but he was a gunslinger with average NFL arm strength

 

Josh has one of the strongest arms in NFL history and makes throws others couldn't dream

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, JoeF said:

He still made the throw last night.  That throw was a "me" throw at that time of the game, not a team throw.  The only place for that throw is when you are down to your last play.  He has to learn that still, he hasn't ***** gotten it.  That's what the ***** is wrong with that play.  Its a total "me" bull#### play at that time of the game and he needs to be told that over and over again.

 

We have seen a lot of stupid football in the last 20 years and it really didn't matter because the Bills sucked.  Now the Bills have a chance to be good and plays like this may make a difference between a playoff team and an also ran. 

 

I agree he is a great kid...love him.  I believe in him.  He will clean this stuff up...but when he slips you have to be hard on him.  That's his path to greatness.

...certainly agree bud...don't they call it "tough love"?...I'm in............

[buffaloboyinATL]

23 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

At the time in the game day thread, people were saying "better to do it now in pre-season and have it be a learning experience."

I was thinking "That learning experience should have already happened years ago in college."

 

Yes, because no one ever learns when they get to the pros. They all learn everything they need to know in college and show up at the peak of their game.

[mjt328]

The overreactions here are hilarious.  The regular season can't get here soon enough.

 

Yes.  The "hero ball" throw was an absolutely poor decision.  I wasn't happy with it, and I don't want it to become a habit.  But it was literally ONE THROW.  

The idea that veterans don't ever make that throw (you hear this quite a bit) is totally false.  Even Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers occasionally do things like that .  And we all recall Hall of Famer Brett Farve making regular decisions like that well into his 40's.  Now if it eventually becomes a Jay Cutler or Ryan Fitzpatrick type situation, then we can talk.  Until then, give the guy a break.

 

And outside of that ONE pass, Allen barely even threw the ball last night.  His 3 incompletions were all tough throws into tight coverage.  Oh well.  It was clear the offensive plan was to focus on the running game.  He wasn't even asked to pass, except to convert third downs.  

 

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Yes, because no one ever learns when they get to the pros. They all learn everything they need to know in college and show up at the peak of their game.

How quickly ppl forget what Allen's college experience was actually like.....

 

No protection

No NFL talent

Hero ball all day every day every game

 

What was the tag on Josh coming into the NFL?

 

Huge upside

Talented but Raw

 

But ppl expect Tom Brady in year 2....folks that is NOT going to happen this year and that is ok....you are going to see a improved Josh Allen....you are going to see things he did not do last year....you are also going to see Josh have some bad habits from College like throwing a ball into coverage that he should not do.......

 

Its coming along

[Don Otreply]

6 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

One thing I've learned about bills fans is that half of them or more are utterly risk averse. 

Add anxiety ridden to that description, and you’ve got it nailed. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Elite Poster]

11 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I like how when Josh has a bad night, you preface your remark with “ I was not a Josh Allen believer at first” as if your trying protect your couch potato cred.  

 

No I just don't want someone to come out of the woodworks and say, "YOUR ONLY SAYING THIS BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM", because I am not afraid to say, yes, I didn't like the pick at all.

 

I don't even think he had a bad night, just really one horrific play that I don't ever need to see again. 

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I see

 

So when Sam Darnold turns the ball over multiple times (which he does) then nobody should be fawning over him.....ever

 

Josh IS GOING to do this here and there.....and you know what....he does other things that are great.....a very good defense that backs him up.....

 

We are fine....calm down

 

Situational football. It was 2nd and 4, throw it away, they teach that in high school. Nobody even mentioned Sam Darnold so I have no idea where that came from. That was a Jamarcus Russell level bad play. Josh can't do that, period. 

 

I'm fine, maybe you should calm down. 

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

No I just don't want someone to come out of the woodworks and say, "YOUR ONLY SAYING THIS BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM", because I am not afraid to say, yes, I didn't like the pick at all.

 

I don't even think he had a bad night, just really one horrific play that I don't ever need to see again. 

And how did Allen respond after that one horrific play? Because that’s the true measure, imo; how a QB responds to adversity, which is what the game, especially the QB position, is all about. 

 

Yes, we don’t want to see Allen make unwise plays. 

 

But I want to see him respond like he did every single time.

 

 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

Not likely, been following the bills since 1963. As I said before Brett Favre had a 62% lifetime completion average. He was more accurate then Josh has shown so far. Maybe before you compare Favre and Josh you'll want to give Josh more than a year starting to base a judgment on. A gunslinger attitude could give you a Favre or can give you a Fitz. The jury is still out on Josh. I like to see him succeed but how about follow the rules before learning when to break them.

 

You're missing it.

 

You said that it's a rookie throw. It's not. Gunslinger QBs attempt that throw. Mahomes did it multiple times last year too, but as you've seen, QBs at the end of 2 decade careers do it too.

[Figster]

2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

This is so very true. I actually re-watched the game this morning because there was so much negativity on the board.  All in all, another decent performance, with plenty to be encouraged by.

Absolutely, 

 

Myself personally ATL, the confidence level for me is as high as Allens ceiling because there is nothing this kid can't do, theres not a throw that he can't make, including throwing up a hail Mary from his own 30 yard line. Throwing at one of the highest velocitys the league has ever seen.  It takes time, experience, making the mistake once or twice before you realize its not worth the risk. I'm confident because Josh Allen is a very intelligent QB.  

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're missing it.

 

You said that it's a rookie throw. It's not. Gunslinger QBs attempt that throw. Mahomes did it multiple times last year too, but as you've seen, QBs at the end of 2 decade careers do it too.

 

And I am with you. You will never coach that out of Josh altogether. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

13 hours ago, rayray808 said:

Just put everything here:

 

Gameplan was to obviously run. He had a few attempts to throw the ball...

 

GOOD: 2 minute drive for a score

BAD: a few missed passes, scrambled in games he shouldn't

UGLY: the interception, which he owned, but still... terrible 

 

wasnt that bad, just out of sync, which is why they need the preseason. the interception was horrible but it was a great scramble and would have been awesome if it worked, next time there needs to be more BILLS jerseys in the area.

 

He led two TD drives in the first half, good enough for me.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

You must miss Fitzy then. Hey if you think that was a smart throw, and accurate throw and an acceptable risk, then we just view the game very differently.  I prefer to win for once. Josh should learn the rules first before knowing when to break them. 

They won last night

[GunnerBill]

Josh was a bit off in a pre-season game where the gameplan was intentionally not designed to help him. It was not a good performance but it is far from a legitimate cause for panic. He looked good games 1 and 2 in an offense that suits him. 

[BuffaloBob]

6 hours ago, transient said:

 

Right?! All this talk about the INT, but that mange infested dead muskrat on his face is the thing that worries me the most about his lack of judgment. Know your strengths Josh; buy a razor!

Maybe his girlfriend thinks it’s hot. You don’t know! ?

[John from Riverside]

47 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

No I just don't want someone to come out of the woodworks and say, "YOUR ONLY SAYING THIS BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM", because I am not afraid to say, yes, I didn't like the pick at all.

 

I don't even think he had a bad night, just really one horrific play that I don't ever need to see again. 

 

Situational football. It was 2nd and 4, throw it away, they teach that in high school. Nobody even mentioned Sam Darnold so I have no idea where that came from. That was a Jamarcus Russell level bad play. Josh can't do that, period. 

 

I'm fine, maybe you should calm down. 

"Josh cant do this....ever"

 

And you say your fine and telling others to calm down?  Re evaluate Elite

[Hebert19]

Ya.  And he also put a lazer on Beasley's body on a tough route.  He's gonna throw some bad ones but he's going to throw a lot more good ones. 

[VW82]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Rewatching on Tivo now

 

We were making a concerted effort to run the ball....hardly passing

Zay Zones doesnt get his head around.....he doesnt fight for the ball and lets Slay knock it away

The Beasely throw was bad

He throws a perfect laser to Beasely in the middle of the field that Beasely fumbles

 

 

 

He made some positive plays early. That scramble on the first series when we were backed up was what gave Zay the opportunity to forget to look for the ball. At first I thought Allen might have gone early but after watching it again I agree it's 100% on Zay.

 

Allen made two drive killing mistakes in his first four possessions. His teammates messed up on the other ones. Offense needs better starts if this team is going to be good. Actual game planning will obviously help. 

Edited August 24, 2019 by VW82

[transient]

4 hours ago, Heitz said:

 

Oh man, I could NOT disagree more!  I mean, what's the point of preseason!?  NOW is the time for Josh to start growing a beard - a young QB, second season, third preseason game - let is rip now, I say.  It's going to take time for him to have a great beard, I just hope that McBeane are crew are getting him the beard oils and barbering that he needs to be successful.

 

I mean, look at it this way, do you think Fitz just woke up like that!?  Heck no, he's a Harvard guy, and while he doesn't have arm of Josh, he used his smarts to methodically grow his beard to epic, Grizzly Adams-like proportions.  It didn't happen in his season season! (probably)

 

I say let the kid give it a try.  Maybe it's a mistake and he'll get it out of his system in the preseason, but I'm willing to bet that by the time we're in the second half of the regular season, that beard is going to be looking pretty good...

 

Go Bills!

 

 

 

 

Don’t be ridiculous. Just look at the boy, he looks like a video game addicted teenager that lives in his mom’s basement. It was a valiant attempt, but it’ll never be a part of his game. Learn from the past. How many times are you going to watch him get picked throwing the square out before you accept that he just doesn’t have strong enough facial hair follicles to pull it off?!?!

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Man the Chicken Littles are squawking hard today.  How easily we forget the last official “game”  Allen played in, he scored 5 touchdowns with half the team.   Chill out and let’s see how the team performs when the games (not scrimmages) count!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

He missed two throws early, I thought, the pick broke a cardinal rule, but that’s arm arrogance for you. At times people are gonna love it. 

 

Pass that beasley coughed up was an absolute strike as was the first to Brown. Second was perfect accuracy on a crosser brown didn’t need any adjustment. 

[DuckyBoys]

Either the coaching staff is very confident in where Josh is at or we missed a opportunity last night to get him more ready.  Run run pass all night was a waste of time.  Do Gore and Shady really need any work?  How are you going to work on the run game if you are on the #3 center and your RT is not playing either? Well one good thing is all the Josh haters get to vent

[vorpma]

2 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

 

No I just don't want someone to come out of the woodworks and say, "YOUR ONLY SAYING THIS BECAUSE YOU HATE HIM", because I am not afraid to say, yes, I didn't like the pick at all.

 

I don't even think he had a bad night, just really one horrific play that I don't ever need to see again. 

 

Situational football. It was 2nd and 4, throw it away, they teach that in high school. Nobody even mentioned Sam Darnold so I have no idea where that came from. That was a Jamarcus Russell level bad play. Josh can't do that, period. 

 

I'm fine, maybe you should calm down. 

Marino, Elway, Montana, Manning, none of the greats have "EVER" thrown a "BAD" interception; only Josh Allen. Most serious football fans do not get wrapped around the axle like you seem to be!

9 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Either the coaching staff is very confident in where Josh is at or we missed a opportunity last night to get him more ready.  Run run pass all night was a waste of time.  Do Gore and Shady really need any work?  How are you going to work on the run game if you are on the #3 center and your RT is not playing either? Well one good thing is all the Josh haters get to vent

Yup!

[reddogblitz]

10 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

We saw a guy like Farve throw similar passes late in his career - simply because he always thought his arm would win

 

yeah but Brett was good enough to make up for it and win. JP Losman and EJ and Fitz used to do this kind of stuff too and never got to the Favre level. We'll see.  Time will tell.

Edited August 24, 2019 by reddogblitz

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

 

He made some positive plays early. That scramble on the first series when we were backed up was what gave Zay the opportunity to forget to look for the ball. At first I thought Allen might have gone early but after watching it again I agree it's 100% on Zay.

 

Allen made two drive killing mistakes in his first four possessions. His teammates messed up on the other ones. Offense needs better starts if this team is going to be good. Actual game planning will obviously help. 

Is the int that was called back because of the roughing considered one of the drive killing penalties?  Or was there another play.

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Josh was a bit off in a pre-season game where the gameplan was intentionally not designed to help him. It was not a good performance but it is far from a legitimate cause for panic. He looked good games 1 and 2 in an offense that suits him. 

You get out of here with that logic and reason!  Heretic!

[Paul Costa]

9 hours ago, Sunshower said:

Allen looked terrible. I’m still a fan but he had a bad game.

This is incorrect ? he made a horrible decision on one play. He missed two throws one to Zay and one to Beasley. He threw some nice passes also. Total exaggeration that he had a bad game.

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

And how did Allen respond after that one horrific play? Because that’s the true measure, imo; how a QB responds to adversity, which is what the game, especially the QB position, is all about. 

 

Yes, we don’t want to see Allen make unwise plays. 

 

But I want to see him respond like he did every single time.

 

 

Alright. I'll be that guy. He responded well in terms of his disposition. The kid is a competitor and has everything you look for personality wise. But he completed one additional pass. They ran the ball all night, so it's a tiny sample size. No need to make it a bigger issue than it is. But it wasn't a good night. There were only the 6 pass attempts as their game plan was clearly to work on the run game. But had he converted on third down, he would have had more opportunities. Tough to get attempts when you're going three and out. It's not the end of the world. He didn't have a good night by any objective measure. What it means going forward is very little. There's just no reason to sugarcoat it. It's not GOOD, but it's not that serious.

Edited August 24, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Big Blitz]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

 

LOL.  The old "other people make mistakes too so Allen's mistakes are OK" attempt at validating poor play.

 

This is a logical fallacy and should not be repeated by anyone.

 

You know who never makes that throw?  Tom Brady.  He is almost robotic in how he will throw the ball away to kill a play that obviously blew up or was never going to work in the first place.  He understands to just kill it before it becomes anything worse, and then you try again on the next play.

 

Surprising a kid as seemingly bright as Allen doesn't understand  that yet.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir.  I'm not trying to validate poor play.

 

I was just trying to give some perspective to poor evaluators.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Alright. I'll be that guy. He responded well in terms of his disposition. The kid is a competitor and has everything you look for personality wise. But he completed one additional pass. They ran the ball all night, so it's a tiny sample size. No need to make it a bigger issue than it is. But it wasn't a good night. There were only the 6 pass attempts as their game plan was clearly to work on the run game. But had he converted on third down, he would have had more opportunities. Tough to get attempts when you're going three and out. It's not the end of the world. He didn't have a good night by any objective measure. What it means going forward is very little. There's just no reason to sugarcoat it. It's not GOOD, but it's not that serious.

Nobody is sugarcoating anything. 

[Green Lightning]

7 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I love that you say he was showing growth throughout training camp and the preseason; however, you are reacting to not seeing any growth. Which is it?

 

Or did, as I suspect, one throw in his third preseason game erase everything and convince you he hasn't grown.

 

If so, then that is what you WANT to see.

In the traditional dress rehearsal game of the preseason against a a team's number one D he reverted back to his college hero ball. Unlike you I didn't find it a good sign. If you think that's better decision making, there's not much I can say to you. 

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

They won last night

Well how nice. Let's keep that formula and see how the real season goes.

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

You bring up fitz but he was a gunslinger with average NFL arm strength

 

Josh has one of the strongest arms in NFL history and makes throws others couldn't dream

 

 

True, let's hope he learns when not to pull the trigger and when to let it rip.

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

In the traditional dress rehearsal game of the preseason against a a team's number one D he reverted back to his college hero ball. Unlike you I didn't find it a good sign. If you think that's better decision making, there's not much I can say to you. 

Well how nice. Let's keep that formula and see how the real season goes.

 

They attempted 6 passes the entire first half.

 

Relax.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

In the traditional dress rehearsal game of the preseason against a a team's number one D he reverted back to his college hero ball. Unlike you I didn't find it a good sign. If you think that's better decision making, there's not much I can say to you. 

Well how nice. Let's keep that formula and see how the real season goes.

True, let's hope he learns when not to pull the trigger and when to let it rip.

Balance is the key to everything in life

[Green Lightning]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Balance is the key to everything in life

Aye, agree. Just want the kid to grow and be the guy. All I said is that it was a bone head pass that I hope he doesn't do in a real game and the Greek chorus of TBD christened him Brett Farve. 

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

They attempted 6 passes the entire first half.

 

Relax.

Happy to if he learns from this.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Aye, agree. Just want the kid to grow and be the guy. All I said is that it was a bone head pass that I hope he doesn't do in a real game and the Greek chorus of TBD christened him Brett Farve. 

Happy to if he learns from this.

Brett Favre had one of the best arms of all time and made tons of boneheaded mistakes

 

Josh Allen is far from Favre..  but the way the ball comes out of his hand IS different

 

There's alot of promise, needs to keep grinding

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Happy to if he learns from this.

My guess is that he is far less concerned about it than you. Actually, I think everyone is probably less concerned about it than you.

 

BTW, I hope your ability to relax isn't really tied to what Josh Allen learns or doesn't learn.

 

Cheers

[Green Lightning]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Brett Favre had one of the best arms of all time and made tons of boneheaded mistakes

 

Josh Allen is far from Favre..  but the way the ball comes out of his hand IS different

 

There's alot of promise, needs to keep grinding

Well we agree.

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

My guess is that he is far less concerned about it than you. Actually, I think everyone is probably less concerned about it than you.

 

BTW, I hope your ability to relax isn't really tied to what Josh Allen learns or doesn't learn.

 

Cheers

My guess is the coaches are not blase about it. And right now I'm on the St. Lawrence River with a scotch and Montecristo Churchill and relaxing just fine thanks.

[Figster]

Matt Barkley has been in the league long enough he has learned to take what the oppositions D gives you. Barkley is decisive, throwing with good anticipation and accuracy. So decisive his lower velocity throws have become a non factor IMO.

 

I say all this not as a knock on Allen, but as a compliment to the QB position because If Josh Allen can learn to play in the Daboll system as well as Barkley we have our franchise QB.

 

Barkley on the other hand is looking more like a starter in the NFL then backup which could translate to good trade value down the line. (IMO)

 

I'm not trying to start a QB controversy because there is none... 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Figster

[Tcali]

entire season depends on his accuracy and his judgment. no pressure.

24 minutes ago, Figster said:

Matt Barkley has been in the league long enough he has learned to take what the oppositions D gives you. Barkley is decisive, throwing with good anticipation and accuracy. So decisive his lower velocity throws have become a non factor IMO.

 

I say all this not as a knock on Allen, but as a compliment to the QB position because If Josh Allen can learn to play in the Daboll system as well as Barkley we have our franchise QB.

 

Barkley on the other hand is looking more like a starter in the NFL then backup which could translate to good trade value down the line. (IMO)

 

I'm not trying to start a QB controversy because there is none... 

barkley has looked  great since being here. very pleasant surprise. Josh has a lot to learn.And he could learn a lot from barkley.

[Figster]

23 minutes ago, Tcali said:

entire season depends on his accuracy and his judgment. no pressure.

barkley has looked  great since being here. very pleasant surprise. Josh has a lot to learn.And he could learn a lot from barkley.

thats what I'm thinking Tcali, 

 

J A has lots of weapons around him now with good protection, (good advice on the sidelines)

 

MERCY!!!

 

This New Era Buffalo Bills football team packs a punch!!!

Edited August 25, 2019 by Figster