Freddie's Dead Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 "We'll bring a defense to Buffalo like you've never seen". He sure did. The Bills defense sucked ass when he was head coach. ***** you Greggggggg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Why couldn’t he have been this entertaining when he was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Oh so Jim Schwartz was fired here then and not just dismissed because of the new coaching staff. ? Yes, Schwartz was fired. What am I missing, is there a point you are trying to make? That’s an odd comparison given that with Schwartz, he was a DC with a new defensive HC who ran a completely different system. In Cleveland, they didn’t bring in an external defensive HC. They promoted the RB coach/interim OC to HC and fired Gregg, the interim HC, because they didn’t want him as HC, or DC. You asked when he was fired, and I told you. Edited June 13, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 4 hours ago, TigerJ said: "With bounties no longer in his arsenal, Gregg Williams turns to insults to push the buttons of players like @TheAdamsEra https://wp.me/p14QSB-b0uV" A culture of insults and verbal abuse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 "Culture eats strategy for breakfast" is what most business models, at least the successful ones, live by. Peter Drucker said this I believe. You hire for culture and teach skill. Not sure how this translates to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ? Yes, Schwartz was fired. What am I missing, is there a point you are trying to make? That’s an odd comparison given that with Schwartz, he was a DC with a new defensive HC who ran a completely different system. In Cleveland, they didn’t bring in an external defensive HC. They promoted the RB coach/interim OC to HC and fired Gregg, the interim HC, because they didn’t want him as HC, or DC. You asked when he was fired, and I told you. ...Schwartz became "expendable" when his defensive philosophy did not match up with the Bloviator himself, Train Wrecks.....interestingly, when it was published that Pegula was secretly shopping for a "czar or czarina", talking to Polian, Schwartz said in inner circles that "if that happens, I'l just retire...I have plenty to live on (still owed $13 mil from Detroit)".....to Jimbo's credit, he landed well and seems to be doing ok........good for him.... Edited June 13, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Schwartz became "expendable" when his defensive philosophy did not match up with the Bloviator himself, Train Wrecks.....interestingly, when it was published that Pegula was secretly shopping for a "czar or czarina", talking to Polian, Schwartz said in inner circles that "if that happens, I'l just retire...I have plenty to live on (still owed $13 mil from Detroit)".....to Jimbo's credit, he landed well and seems to be doing ok........good for him.... I believe he preferred to be “fired” rather than leave on his own, because he still had time left on his deal and would be paid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: 2003 2008 2011 2013 2016 2018 2003- I dont really blame Greggo or any Coach that was under post free agency R. Wilson. 2008- Regime change 2011- The guy won them a SB 2013- Im not gonna put the time in to do it. He is arrogant and high minded, but never been fired due to his D. BTW He had 3 top 10 Defenses in Washington. I would say he was fired by Buffalo and thats about it. Dismissed and fired are two different words in the employment world Edited June 13, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: When did he get fired? Like every single season. He has a new job for a new team every single year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Didn't McD say this same thing about culture/strategy? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: We all know Gregg looks at himself in the mirror while checking for lumps on his prostate. I will never get this image out of my head d@mn you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: We all know Gregg looks at himself in the mirror while checking for lumps on his prostate. Hahoooo, that’s quite the picture you put in my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: This is awesome. Gregg trolling the whole league!! You're forgetting, he has turned down numerous HC gigs since losing his job here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: You're forgetting, he has turned down numerous HC gigs since losing his job here. I just think it's great that he, of all people, is trolling the whole "culture" BS Edited June 14, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I just think it's great that he, of all people, is trolling the whole "culture" BS He has such an over inflated sense of self. Now he's trolling the league on culture. Last season he was trolling the league on turning down HC offers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 He falls into that good coordinator that will never be a good head coach category. He also seems to be a pretty terrible human being. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 And that’s why all of the premium culture guys get the big bucks and the talented ones play for league minimum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 hours ago, BarleyNY said: And that’s why all of the premium culture guys get the big bucks and the talented ones play for league minimum. Exactly. I don't care about 4.3 40's, rocket arms, recovery speed, or even technique. You give me a team full of gritsters with a touch of moxie and we're going to the Promised Land. No doubt in my mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 9 hours ago, NoSaint said: He turned down many head coaching opportunities to be the Browns DC ? He wouldn’t even have to interview! 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: You're forgetting, he has turned down numerous HC gigs since losing his job here. I believe our son’s former high school was among those offers. He didn’t want to have to teach social studies as well, from what I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augie said: He wouldn’t even have to interview! Commish even said, "don't worry about to Rooney rule, you are just that special, Greggo!" 4 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: 2003- I dont really blame Greggo or any Coach that was under post free agency R. Wilson. 2008- Regime change 2011- The guy won them a SB 2013- Im not gonna put the time in to do it. He is arrogant and high minded, but never been fired due to his D. BTW He had 3 top 10 Defenses in Washington. I would say he was fired by Buffalo and thats about it. Dismissed and fired are two different words in the employment world He pretty much got fired because he is a polarizing personality. He has some some serious issues and he is very difficult to work with. He might be a good defensive coach on paper, but his personality is pretty much locker room cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 That's odd... I guess I must have tripped and fallen into the "punchable face" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: Like every single season. He has a new job for a new team every single year. Maybe hes a HC killer but he seems to lose his job when there is a change in HC most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 56 minutes ago, DanInUticaTampa said: Commish even said, "don't worry about to Rooney rule, you are just that special, Greggo!" He pretty much got fired because he is a polarizing personality. He has some some serious issues and he is very difficult to work with. He might be a good defensive coach on paper, but his personality is pretty much locker room cancer I could see that. I know he has been fired but Ive always liked him as a DC Ive never heard anything about what youre saying from anyone I would put stock into. The NO firing was completely a political move. He did a good job as IHC in Clev. He had 3 Top 10 Ds in Wash. So There may be something to what youre saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Talent craps on culture after chewing on strategy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Just like "Character" and "High-Motor" players beat out talent and skills? I wish it were true, but I'm pretty sure strategy wins out MOST of the time. Edited June 14, 2019 by BigDingus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Maybe hes a HC killer but he seems to lose his job when there is a change in HC most of the time. His contract is terminated. That means he's fired. New coaches could easily keep him around. 40 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I could see that. I know he has been fired but Ive always liked him as a DC Ive never heard anything about what youre saying from anyone I would put stock into. The NO firing was completely a political move. He did a good job as IHC in Clev. He had 3 Top 10 Ds in Wash. So There may be something to what youre saying. He's been on hard knocks a bunch and everyone has seen first hand what a crappy person he is. Plus the fact that he got caught in the bounty gate scandal. Plus all the ridiculous things he says all the time. He's just a buffoon, and his defenses haven't been that good over the past couple years. Very aggressive but they give up a lot yards and big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 13 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Cant be culture. Listen to WGR they will tell you repeatedly that culture doesnt mean anything in sports. That’s because shmeremy Shite and Mike Slopp are the smartest men alive when it comes to sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 6 hours ago, MJS said: His contract is terminated. That means he's fired. New coaches could easily keep him around. He's been on hard knocks a bunch and everyone has seen first hand what a crappy person he is. Plus the fact that he got caught in the bounty gate scandal. Plus all the ridiculous things he says all the time. He's just a buffoon, and his defenses haven't been that good over the past couple years. Very aggressive but they give up a lot yards and big plays. Bounty Gate-What all teams did for a long time. Football is a violent sport and used to be even more violent. You are correct though. What he did wrong was get caught. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Captain Murica said: That’s because shmeremy Shite and Mike Slopp are the smartest men alive when it comes to sports. I am sure they know a ton about soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Mike Schopp disagrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Mike Schopp disagrees Interesting and original take! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I am sure they know a ton about soccer. Only place I go for fantasy football advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCastleFanBills Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 He also said Buffalo would have the greatest defense in their history, when Ralph hired him. So I don't buy anything that pours out of that hole in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Talent craps on culture after chewing on strategy Pats have culture and talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: He falls into that good coordinator that will never be a good head coach category. He also seems to be a pretty terrible human being. This. He seems to have figured out that he should hone what he did best, which is being a DC, and he's been very successful at it. Like many successful people in many endeavors, he's not a particularly a decent person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 In one single post, the good bot caused all the Schopp disciples' heads to explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Exactly. I don't care about 4.3 40's, rocket arms, recovery speed, or even technique. You give me a team full of gritsters with a touch of moxie and we're going to the Promised Land. No doubt in my mind. Sure. They tried that experiment with Levy as GM. It doesn't work. 36 minutes ago, row_33 said: Pats have culture and talent. Pats have talent and culture in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Talent and (execution of) strategy will trump culture. GM Levy had culture, Jauron tried culture and both with terrible results. As in business, so with sports you absolutely need to set a strategy and have the horses to execute it. 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Pats have talent and culture in that order. Pats have strategy (read: coaching) and add talent that fits that plan. The culture just comes by with all the winning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I know name calling is not allowed on TBD, but am I allowed to point out that Gregg Williams is an arrogant douche? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Talent and (execution of) strategy will trump culture. GM Levy had culture, Jauron tried culture and both with terrible results. As in business, so with sports you absolutely need to set a strategy and have the horses to execute it. Pats have strategy (read: coaching) and add talent that fits that plan. The culture just comes by with all the winning. Your sour grapes are causing a lot of blindness there.... The Pats have a culture of winning that is up there with Lombardi and other dynasties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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