What the hell is wrong with Dawson Knox? Only draftee not signed..(6/14 - Now Signed-Go Dawson!!!)

[1ManRaid]

To those screaming "just sign already", hundreds of thousands of dollars is still a lot of money to kids who aren't guaranteed to still be in the league for a big second contract, it's worth fighting for.

[without a drought]

17 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

To those screaming "just sign already", hundreds of thousands of dollars is still a lot of money to kids who aren't guaranteed to still be in the league for a big second contract, it's worth fighting for.

What is the reason for the teams to try and save what amounts to a very small portion of their cap by fighting this. If the player doesn't work out, it'll cost them almost nothing, this has nothing to do with guaranteed money. And if the player does work out, they will have them locked up at well below their value.

 

Sounds rather petty to me.

[Capco]

On 5/25/2019 at 11:52 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Why Are There so Many 3rd-Round NFL Draft Picks That Are Still Unsigned?

 

Sigmund Bloom -BR (older article but I think it is the same now)

 

"the dispute stems from the "25 percent rule" per Pasquarelli. That is the rule that allows teams to give rookies raises of up to 25 percent of the combined total of their rookie salary and one-quarter of their signing bonus. Pasquarelli ran the numbers for the first pick of the third round, Indianapolis tight end Dwayne Allen. He needs to check his math, but the difference between giving Allen the minimum salaries and giving him the full 25 percent raise is less than four hundred thousand dollars over the life of the contract.  "

 

"What makes this more baffling is that most, if not all of that money is not guaranteed. The difference between the minimum raise and a 25 percent raise is irrelevant if the player is cut before his contract is over. Likewise, if the player becomes quality depth or a starter, the difference in the amount of raise becomes irrelevant because they are playing at a massive discount either way."

 

Interesting.  I wonder if the player agents get something out of it upfront if they manage to negotiate a slightly higher contract, even if it's not guaranteed.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

39 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Interesting.  I wonder if the player agents get something out of it upfront if they manage to negotiate a slightly higher contract, even if it's not guaranteed.  

...good question(s).....is if offset language?...guaranteed amount?......

[1ManRaid]

5 hours ago, without a drought said:

What is the reason for the teams to try and save what amounts to a very small portion of their cap by fighting this. If the player doesn't work out, it'll cost them almost nothing, this has nothing to do with guaranteed money. And if the player does work out, they will have them locked up at well below their value.

 

Sounds rather petty to me.

Did I say a single damned thing about teams saving money, or did you miss that I was clearly arguing for the players to fight for what they can get?

[Doc]

Just now, 1ManRaid said:

Did I say a single damned thing about teams saving money, or did you miss that I was clearly arguing for the players to fight for what they can get?

 

Settle down.  He's agreeing with you.

[LSHMEAB]

I would GUESS that players like Knox, who the team traded up for, have SLIGHTLY more leverage. Considering the Bills expended both a 3rd and a 4th to acquire Knox, that could factor into negotiations. Just a hunch.

[CSBill]

15 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I would GUESS that players like Knox, who the team traded up for, have SLIGHTLY more leverage. Considering the Bills expended both a 3rd and a 4th to acquire Knox, that could factor into negotiations. Just a hunch.

 

And, your new presumed starter just hurt his foot again, that has to give him more leverage for whatever he's asking.

[Nanker]

You think Knox not being signed is an issue - the Rams haven’t signed a single one of their draft picks yet. 

https://nfltraderumors.co/2019-nfl-draft-results-by-team/

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

You think Knox not being signed is an issue - the Rams haven’t signed a single one of their draft picks yet. 

https://nfltraderumors.co/2019-nfl-draft-results-by-team/

It appears having all of your draft picks signed at this point is the exception rather than the rule. It is interesting (as talked about in the article quoted previously in this thread) that 25 third round picks are still unsigned. By far, the most of any round.

[Fan in Chicago]

18 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Did I say a single damned thing about teams saving money, or did you miss that I was clearly arguing for the players to fight for what they can get?

There are two points of view to every discussion and debate. He was pointing out the team's view while still agreeing with you. Did you miss that ?

[Gugny]

There are still 56 2019 draft picks who have yet to sign contracts.  Most (as discussed earlier) are Round 3 picks.

 

Singletary signed (I believe) the same day as all of Buffalo's other draft picks.  That's the only part that causes me any confusion.  If the Bills had a way to sign one 3rd rounder, why were they not able to do the same for both 3rd rounders?

 

My guess is different agents, but I honestly have no clue.

 

This is the most updated list I've found (last updated on 5/25/19): https://nfltraderumors.co/list-of-unsigned-2019-nfl-draft-picks/

 

There are 27 different teams on this list, too.  Take that for what it's worth.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

There are still 56 2019 draft picks who have yet to sign contracts.  Most (as discussed earlier) are Round 3 picks.

 

Singletary signed (I believe) the same day as all of Buffalo's other draft picks.  That's the only part that causes me any confusion.  If the Bills had a way to sign one 3rd rounder, why were they not able to do the same for both 3rd rounders?

 

My guess is different agents, but I honestly have no clue.

 

This is the most updated list I've found (last updated on 5/25/19): https://nfltraderumors.co/list-of-unsigned-2019-nfl-draft-picks/

 

There are 27 different teams on this list, too.  Take that for what it's worth.

...so is the generic holdup offset language or guaranteed money?....pretty hefty number of 3rds unsigned....

[Ennjay]

9 minutes ago, Gugny said:

This is the most updated list I've found (last updated on 5/25/19): https://nfltraderumors.co/list-of-unsigned-2019-nfl-draft-picks/

 

 

Two trivial observations:

 

1.  The Packers also have an unsigned Third Round TE, so I'm wondering if Knox is waiting to see what he gets.  Or vice versa.

 

2.  What's with the Rams?  Are they taking this year off?

Edited May 27, 2019 by Ennjay
typo

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

 

Two trivial observations:

 

1.  The Packers also have an unsigned Third Round TE, so I'm wondering if Knox is waiting to see what he gets.  Or vice versa.

 

2.  What's with the Rams?  Are they taking this year off?

 

I was wondering the same about the Rams, but I've never paid attention in previous years, so maybe this is normal for them.  No clue.  It does seem odd, though.

[Punching Bag]

On 5/25/2019 at 4:29 PM, 1ManRaid said:

To those screaming "just sign already", hundreds of thousands of dollars is still a lot of money to kids who aren't guaranteed to still be in the league for a big second contract, it's worth fighting for.

 

Yes but if you hold out too long it can also damage your career and getting to 2nd contract or finishing current contract.  A player can even miss bonuses because they were not in practice when plays were designed / practiced hence plays changed to not use player.

[njbuff]

Dawson Knox has the opportunity of a lifetime in front of him.

 

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he is a day one starter.

[John Adams]

13 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Yes but if you hold out too long it can also damage your career and getting to 2nd contract or finishing current contract.  A player can even miss bonuses because they were not in practice when plays were designed / practiced hence plays changed to not use player.

 

I thought he's attending the OTAs.

 

He will be signed by the time camp starts.

[NoSaint]

13 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Yes but if you hold out too long it can also damage your career and getting to 2nd contract or finishing current contract.  A player can even miss bonuses because they were not in practice when plays were designed / practiced hence plays changed to not use player.

 

Amd yet, just a couple years ago most top picks weren’t signed yet 

[Billsfansinceday1]

I am surprised at the number of unsigned draft picks, knowing that a significant injury can occur, even if not working with the team.

 

i am very surprised at 7th rounders not signing, knowing that they may not ever end up playing in the NFL.

[cd1]

I find it interesting that any player, outside of an active CONTRACT, would be on the field practicing when there is at least some risk of injury.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

Dawson Knox has the opportunity of a lifetime in front of him.

 

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he is a day one starter.

 

 

Right off the bus, though?

[njbuff]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Right off the bus, though?

Just look at his competition with Kroft out.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

On 5/27/2019 at 12:33 PM, Gugny said:

 

I was wondering the same about the Rams, but I've never paid attention in previous years, so maybe this is normal for them.  No clue.  It does seem odd, though.

Jeff Fisher started requiring their drafts picks to get some training about handling the money they are about to get before they actually receive it. I'm assuming they are still requiring the draftees get that training. Should be something every team does.

 

Once all the training happens they will sign.

Edited May 28, 2019 by 4BillsintheBurgh

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, cd1 said:

I find it interesting that any player, outside of an active CONTRACT, would be on the field practicing when there is at least some risk of injury.

 

While Knox is at OTAs and his final contract is being negotiated he is playing under a guaranteed for injury contract.

This was confirmed earlier.

[whatdrought]

9 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

Jeff Fisher started requiring their drafts picks to get some training about handling the money they are about to get before they actually receive it. I'm assuming they are still requiring the draftees get that training. Should be something every team does.

 

Once all the training happens they will sign.

 

Best training to ever come out of a Jeff Fischer football team...

[without a drought]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

Best training to ever come out of a Jeff Fischer football team...

He did have some great advice to help his struggling kicker back in the day with this brilliant piece of advice.

 

"He's got to kick it between the uprights."

 

Stuff like that is ground breaking.

[Doc]

He should have told Steve McNair not to mess around with crazy chicks. 

 

Too soon?

 

[Locomark]

No one said he was an "All Bright Knox".....  (spelling incorrect intentionally for the anal retentives out there...)

[HOUSE]

This is serious , could sign with the CFL for $5000

[Matt_In_NH]

26 of 32 3rd rounders are not signed......man take a deep breath, it will be ok.  The odds of a 3rd rounding missing training camp due to a contract dispute? Like right next to 0

[Captain Hindsight]

7 hours ago, Billsfansinceday1 said:

I am surprised at the number of unsigned draft picks, knowing that a significant injury can occur, even if not working with the team.

 

i am very surprised at 7th rounders not signing, knowing that they may not ever end up playing in the NFL.

They sign a contract saying they would still get the same contract even if they suffer an injury before OTAs

[Warcodered]

27 minutes ago, mattynh said:

26 of 32 3rd rounders are not signed......man take a deep breath, it will be ok.  The odds of a 3rd rounding missing training camp due to a contract dispute? Like right next to 0

Honestly at this point I just want them to figure it out so I can stop hearing about it.

[Billsfansinceday1]

27 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

They sign a contract saying they would still get the same contract even if they suffer an injury before OTAs

I am only speculating but I would assume that the rookie contract is pretty standard but that the guaranteed money is what would be in jeopardy.

[without a drought]

1 hour ago, mattynh said:

26 of 32 3rd rounders are not signed......man take a deep breath, it will be ok.  The odds of a 3rd rounding missing training camp due to a contract dispute? Like right next to 0

So you're saying it could happen...

 

 

...now I'm getting nervous

[Mat68]

Isnt this a compensatory pick?  Maybe that's a sticky point.  Its outside the top 32 picks of round 2.  Seems like they are wait til pick 32 and so on sign vs 1st pick of rd 4.

[Matt_In_NH]

18 hours ago, without a drought said:

So you're saying it could happen...

 

 

...now I'm getting nervous

Maybe....it will be close

[Rigotz]

Meanwhile, in news that actually matters... he's practicing and looks awesome:

http://expo.newyorkupstate.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/2157e6920ded4/buffalo-bills-week-2-otas-2019-josh-allen-lights-it-up-7-observations.html

 

"2. Bills may have something special in Dawson Knox

Overreaction alert, I know. But Knox was thrust into significant first-team reps after Tyler Kroft broke his foot last week and he flashed some major skills in the practice setting. He caught a touchdown and made some nice grabs throughout team drills. Allen was looking to get him the ball and two of his grabs were some of Allen's highlight-throws. One was a perfectly-placed over-the-shoulder grab on a 20-yard out route and the other was a simple play-action, quick hitter over the middle. If Knox can find a way to get on the field his speed can be a real addition to this Bills offense."

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 hours ago, Locomark said:

No one said he was an "All Bright Knox".....  (spelling incorrect intentionally for the anal retentives out there...)

No, but  

 

He's hoping to be "Fort Knox"

[JoeF]

https://www.buffalobills.com/audio/dawson-knox-whatever-opportunity-i-m-given-i-want-to-make-the-most-of-it

 

Okay, I like this kid (really impressive).....sorry for questioning his intellect.    He definitely fits the culture.  Walk-On on at Ole Miss.  Hard work got him on the field.  Learned a lot from playing behind Evan Engram. 

 

Waiting on other deals to get done to sign. 

 

Best part of the interview:

- Grew up a Titans fan

- Said he now believes that homerun throwback was a forward pass ?

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by JoeF