Team QB Situations according to Yardbarker

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

MSN? We need say no more.

MSN shutting down finance news in June.  Hope sports feed is next!

[TheBrownBear]

Honestly, outside of Bills and Wyoming fans, no one has seen much of Allen at all, so I understand why he's ranked so low.  

[Just Joshin']

To this and the other threads on the Buffalo disrespect.......I do not care one bit as it has no impact on the 2019 win total and outcomes.  Poor attempt to be relevant, will never read or click even if they are saying good things.

[The Senator]

3 hours ago, Bongo said:

Team QB Situations according to Yardbarker

 

I have a Yardbarker of my own... says Bills are goin’...

 

19 and 0 baby!!!

 

GO BILLSSS!!!! ???

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[Billzgobowlin]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

We do this every off-season....

 

PSA: Most of the media is reactionary. You get good reviews once you start winning.

So why is Darnold and Rosen higher?  Also why do they keep beating the drum that Mayfield is the second coming of Brady?  It's easy journalism to find the big market and give them some hope.

[Reader]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Not long ago actually.

 

 

 

That's a fair point. I guess I should have specified I can't remember the last time that we were seen as better than 3rd in our division at best by the majority of pundits.

[folz]

How can you even take that list seriously?

 

Goff at #5 over Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, and Big Ben

Trubisky at #13

Prescott at #17

Jameis Winston at #21 (above Allen, Carr, Flacco, Garappolo...does he really think Arians can make Winston into something he isn't?)

Jackson and Rosen ahead of Allen

 

I know he's looking at the entire QB room, but is Jackson/RG III better than Allen/Barkley/Anderson/Tyree? Does having Blaine Gabbert as a backup really propel Winston over the guys I mentioned above? Does having Blake Bortles as a backup really put Goff ahead of Brady and Brees? This list is a joke.

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by folz

[Real McClappy]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Barkley has a career 66 qb rating.  We literally saw the best game of his career.  He’s a low end backup. 

 

And the best thing about this is Allen has complete control of this situation.  It’s the best thing about sports.  Don’t cry because someone say said. Prove them wrong.  

I'm crying, Right? I can careless to read crap from media that has absolutely no clue wtf they are talking about. They did get the clickbait they wanted as it was posted here so they won either way. 

 

I assume the following teams from the 30 are ahead of us?

Az, Denver, Balt, Miami, Cincy, and Tampa?  The list is a complete joke.

 

You get real butthurt about BU QB's I've seen? At least consider Tyree Jackson whom was not even mentioned. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

How do people get paid actual $$$ to pump out uninformed, ignorant garbage like this?  It has simply polluted the internet, everywhere you look, not just football, so called “journalists” giving their broad strokes opinions like they are gospel without doing the actually dirty work like, ya know, bothering with explicit details, for example-watching actual games and noticing how much Allen’s play improved towards the end of the season, factoring in drops %, or the vastly improved OL going in to 2019.  Everybody just wants to put out content, nobody seems to give a flying 747 about the actual quality of said content.  If anything, more writers just seem to want to stir the pot and generate reactions/clicks/likes rather than providing serviceable information or presenting well informed opinions.

Edited May 3, 2019 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

Goff, Wentz and Wilson are ahead on Tom Brady on this list. Way to put a chip on his shoulder.

 

Whoever made the list apparently didn't see this thread:

 

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's the QB situation in totality, not just Rosen vs Allen.

 

If you're looking at the backup QB, how would you rank Fitzpatrick vs Anderson + Barkley?

 

The week 17 game was great, but I've watched a final game of the Bills season before and gotten all filled with hope for the future.

 

I agree that Allen is a better athlete and further along than I thought, with a chance to be a star, and I hope we've given him enough WR and OL that this season he SHINES

 

 

Agree with this except a ranking of 31st is not reasonable.  A proper ranking might not be where we would like it to be (yet), but it’s better than that.

 

Pump the brakes on the week 17 game.  The Dolphins were 7-8, playing away in the snow and their coach was goes away from being fired.  Any NFL team that is trying should be able to beat up like that on a team that isn’t. 

 

Agree on Allen.  Time for him to step up and show us what he has.  The offensive players around him are certainly good enough for him to succeed.  Let’s see some development.

[wppete]

A lot of hate out there for the Bills and Josh Allen this year again. I can’t wait to shut all these idiots up!!!!!

 

[BobDVA]

FAKE NEWS!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

95% of the football world thinks Josh Allen sucks.  95% of the football world only watched Josh Allen play once last year. If that.

...thus, "under the radar" is perfect......who really cares about the national urinalists' proclamations at this point?....if it sticks, then throw it....want to measure validity?...if, IF Bflo outperforms the prognostications ( may or may not take another year to gel), see who has the bawls to come back with "mea culpas" versus hiding under the safe confines of their desks, saying nothing....

[aceman_16]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

We do this every off-season....

 

PSA: Most of the media is reactionary. You get good reviews once you start winning.

Much like the Jests. They started winning last year and boom....great press. Oh wait.... dang nevermind.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

How do people get paid actual $$$ to pump out uninformed, ignorant garbage like this?  It has simply polluted the internet, everywhere you look, not just football, so called “journalists” giving their broad strokes opinions like they are gospel without doing the actually dirty work like, ya know, bothering with explicit details, for example-watching actual games and noticing how much Allen’s play improved towards the end of the season, factoring in drops %, or the vastly improved OL going in to 2019.  Everybody just wants to put out content, nobody seems to give a flying 747 about the actual quality of said content.  If anything, more writers just seem to want to stir the pot and generate reactions/clicks/likes rather than providing serviceable information or presenting well informed opinions.

Step 1: Figure out what will piss off most fans

Step 2: wait for a fan to read it

Step 3: wait for said fan to post it on a forum for clicks and discussion

Step 4: profit

Edited May 3, 2019 by The Wiz

[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, thurst44 said:

Yup, that's why Darnold is about 10 higher...oh wait.

He was drafted higher/much better grade coming out. Didn't do any worse than Josh his first year. 

[AmishRifle]

5 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Lol. 

 

I have stood against Josh Rosen since last draft season. I don’t care for him for a plethora of reasons but the main one is I just don’t have a good feeling about him. My feelings usually do well for me, so I trust it.

 

That being said, I am expecting him to flame hard in Miami. I could definitely be wrong, but I am looking forward to seeing what happens. Also, any objective football fan who sees the jets doing anything but imploding with Darnold being “meh” probably aren’t being real about the situation.

I don’t understand the logic that Gase in New York > Gase in Miami.  

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

So why is Darnold and Rosen higher?  Also why do they keep beating the drum that Mayfield is the second coming of Brady?  It's easy journalism to find the big market and give them some hope.

Name recognition, dude. Rose just traded... He's a story. And you nailed it: market.

 

Mayfield was very good last year. Browns started winning after Hugh was fired. 

[gobills1212]

Most of these cats just check the stats and rosters and let their own opinions into play as well. Articles like that are good only bc it lets us know where we stand w the avg joe. Apparently, not very high lol

[GymShorts84]

What a joke of an article. Rosen, Murray, Flacco, Lamar Jackson ahead of him, ridiculous. Secondly, We all know what Eli is and he is not deserving of dead last. 

[Protocal69]

6 hours ago, dma0034 said:

Oh.... the Completion Percentage argument only tells me he didn't watch any games.

Yep. That and the int one since 2 came at the end of halves on hail marys

[Phil The Thrill]

Too bad no ones reads Yardbarker

[rayray808]

rank Josh that low and I know you have no idea what you are talking about

[XABI64]

LMAO

 

Ranking rookie QB's ahead of Allen.

 

this was one of the worst QB classes in history and I can't ***** wait until everyone realizes it.  

[GreggTX]

I know you homers can't admit it, but this article is dead on accurate. The only team in the NFL with a worse QB scenario than the Bills is the Giants. My greatest fear is that it will take OBD far too long to realize this like the Dolphins did with Tannehill or the Bucs with Winston. We'll remain an afterthought until a new HC comes in and says he wants a new QB. We'll also be crying over the fact that we could have had Mahomes, but Whaley (and his scouts) blew it.

 

My goodness how butthurt everyone is over this!

Edited May 4, 2019 by GreggTX

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Agree with this except a ranking of 31st is not reasonable.  A proper ranking might not be where we would like it to be (yet), but it’s better than that.

 

Oh, sure, sure.  Over all it's not credible.  I was just addressing the Dolphins higher than Bills thing.

 

 

[GreggTX]

4 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

So why is Darnold and Rosen higher?  Also why do they keep beating the drum that Mayfield is the second coming of Brady?  It's easy journalism to find the big market and give them some hope.

 

Darnold deserves to be higher. Rosen might turn out better too. Also, he never said Mayfield is the 2nd coming of Brady. You just made that up.

[WideNine]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

95% of the football world thinks Josh Allen sucks.  95% of the football world only watched Josh Allen play once last year. If that.

 

We watch this team, they don't.

 

We know the kind of QB we saw in Allen the first game, and the kind of QB we had in the final game that stepped on Miami's throat and did not let up.

 

There are more reputable places that do deeper dives, and it "ain't" that hard to tell them apart.

 

Sure Allen has work to put in, but we have already seen that his game is trending in the right direction.

 

Gotta win games now to shut'em up, but I don't want them fawning all over us either when we turn the corner. I am not conditioned to handle that.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2019 by WideNine

[BringBackFergy]

Who the hell is 32? Vince Ferragamo at the Shady Pines Retirement Home Bulldogs?

[TAinLack.]

18 hours ago, Bongo said:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ranking-qb-situations-following-the-nfl-draft/ss-AAAOhZo?li=BBnba9I&ocid=ientp#image=31

 

Boy, if this doesn't give Josh some motivation. And Rosen two spots higher. Wow. Thanks for the chip on his shoulder...…….

They forgot to factor in the yards rushing he had running for his life!!!!

[Punching Bag]

21 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

We do this every off-season....

 

PSA: Most of the media is reactionary. You get good reviews once you start winning.

 

Then why did he not react to Rosen playing like crap and being discarded by team which drafted him?

 

"reactionary" is wrong term - it implies some sort of action and this is just shoveling out to get page views.

[Thurman#1]

22 hours ago, Bongo said:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ranking-qb-situations-following-the-nfl-draft/ss-AAAOhZo?li=BBnba9I&ocid=ientp#image=31

 

Boy, if this doesn't give Josh some motivation. And Rosen two spots higher. Wow. Thanks for the chip on his shoulder...…….

 

 

It's not that Rosen is two spots higher. It's that Rosen and the Amish Rifle and Jake Rudock, who I've never heard of till just this instant, are two spots higher than Josh, Matt Barkley and Derek Anderson all put together.

 

Which seems reasonable to me. Fitz is probably one of the two or three best backups in football. Anderson and Barkley not so much.

 

Maybe if he hears about it it might give Josh some motivation. I can't imagine it, myself. He knows the situation. He's got a ton to prove. As do all the young guys from last year and this year, particularly Rosen. I'd imagine Josh is already just about as motivated as he's likely to get.

[Billzgobowlin]

14 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 

Darnold deserves to be higher. Rosen might turn out better too. Also, he never said Mayfield is the 2nd coming of Brady. You just made that up.

Seriously everything has been how Mayfield and the Browns are going to go for a Super Bowl run.  As far as I'm concerned The Jets and Browns weren't much better than the Bills last year and the QB situation is similar.  As far as Brady is concerned yes I made up the fact about Brady himself but they act like he is the best player in the league when they talk about him.  Half a year doesn't prove that.

[Thurman#1]

 

 

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19 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

So why is Darnold and Rosen higher?  Also why do they keep beating the drum that Mayfield is the second coming of Brady?  It's easy journalism to find the big market and give them some hope.

 

 

'Cause Mayfield has been terrific, though the Brady comparison is your own.

 

And because they're comparing Darnold + McCown to Rosen + Fitz. Both of those look better to me than Allen + Barkley + Anderson.

 

And probably there's a smidge of it being pretty legit to think that while Allen's running ability absolutely destroys Rosen's or Darnold's that both of those to could be said to have shown more throwing the ball. And that in the long run passing ability trumps running ability at QB. Disagree? Fair enough, but I think it's a pretty reasonable opinion at this point. 

 

As for slanting it towards big markets, please. Kansas City is around the 30th biggest market and yet they're ranked number one. And if they cared what New York thought in that way, they wouldn't have ranked them 29th. That's hardly blowing wind up their skirts.

[JESSEFEFFER]

It's tough to know how to view this.  Is this a short term view (2019 only?) or a longer term view?  The Bills have their most stable situation in decades, no training camp competition, no holdovers from previous management, no lame duck starter waiting to be pulled from the lineup.  The source of the this content is hung up on comp% and it pretty much begins and ends there.

Edited May 4, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER

[transient]

22 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

We do this every off-season....

 

PSA: Most of the media is reactionary. You get good reviews once you start winning.

 

Is that like the level of Darnold and the Jets at 20 winning or Arizona and Murray at 27 winning? Trying to see where the bar needs to be set in order for Allen and the Bills to be ranked ahead of more than just the Giants, the corpse of Eli Manning, and draft bust in waiting Daniel Jones... the reason not to get upset about it is it’s a trash article written by a moron tasked with captioning a slideshow. 

[Thurman#1]

 

 

14 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 

Darnold deserves to be higher. Rosen might turn out better too. Also, he never said Mayfield is the 2nd coming of Brady. You just made that up.

 

16 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Seriously everything has been how Mayfield and the Browns are going to go for a Super Bowl run.  As far as I'm concerned The Jets and Browns weren't much better than the Bills last year and the QB situation is similar.  As far as Brady is concerned yes I made up the fact about Brady himself but they act like he is the best player in the league when they talk about him.  Half a year doesn't prove that.

 

You're making up "best player in the league" too. Why don't you settle for what they're really saying about Mayfield ... that he doesn't look like a rookie while the other three do, and that being that good in his first year is really really promising. That he looks much more at home behind center than any of the other rookie QBs. That so far he looks like he's going to be the kind of QB who can take a team to Super Bowls, though it's still early.

 

Me, I agree with what I mostly read about Mayfield.

 

 A lot of the Browns Super Bowl talk is about the whole team, though. They've got a terrific lineup in terms of talent, one of the absolute best in the AFC.

 

Man, it drives me nuts how sometimes the "EDIT" feature disappears on me and I can't edit some posts. Above I mistyped "29th" rather than "20th" for the Jets and I can't correct it. Oh, well.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Billzgobowlin]

36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

 

You're making up "best player in the league" too. Why don't you settle for what they're really saying about Mayfield ... that he doesn't look like a rookie while the other three do, and that being that good in his first year is really really promising. That he looks much more at home behind center than any of the other rookie QBs. That so far he looks like he's going to be the kind of QB who can take a team to Super Bowls, though it's still early.

 

Me, I agree with what I mostly read about Mayfield.

 

 A lot of the Browns Super Bowl talk is about the whole team, though. They've got a terrific lineup in terms of talent, one of the absolute best in the AFC.

 

Man, it drives me nuts how sometimes the "EDIT" feature disappears on me and I can't edit some posts. Above I mistyped "29th" rather than "20th" for the Jets and I can't correct it. Oh, well.

 

 

Ok I will restate because I think people don't want my overdramatazation.  Mayfield is a good player but I don't see much more promise than Allen or Darnold.  Cleveland is being hyped up and for the most part it is because they think they have a great QB.  The defense hasn't changed and neither has much of the offense aside from a very good Odell.  The bar is very low in Cleveland because of back to back horrid seasons.  

[billsintaiwan]

On 5/3/2019 at 11:54 PM, dma0034 said:

Oh.... the Completion Percentage argument only tells me he didn't watch any games.

Absolutely. He had some bad picks, a few floaters. But anyone who watched the post injury Allen and isn't optimistic just doesn't know a quality qb with incredible upside when they see one.