Round 2 - trade up for?

[sven233]

Look, I like Metcalf as well, but I am not trading up from 40 to get him or anyone else.  The board fell about as perfectly for the Bills as it could have last night and there are some top talents still sitting there and there will be an awesome option at 40.  If that is Metcalf, fine.  If he's not there, I'm good with that.  In my opinion, Hakeem Butler has a chance to be the best WR in the draft, as does Brown, Metcalf, or any of the other WRs still on the board.  There isn't an overwhelming consensus top guy in this draft, so sit tight and let it come to you.

 

And the Bills may decide to go in an entirely different direction as well.  They could get a great guard in Risner, a really nice CB in Murphy, or a OT that could have been a top 10 pick in Taylor.  The point is, there is so much great talent left that there is no reason to move up.  I would rather sit at 40 and take the BPA and then work on getting back into the 2nd round to take another one fepending on how the board is falling and the compensation required to do so.  I'm a big fan of Jace Sternberger.  He's the TE I want.  So, if you can come away with him and one of the other guys I have mentioned, that is a great draft.  Can't wait for tonight!

[ndirish1978]

7 minutes ago, XABI64 said:

 

yup lets continue to draft defense while our potential franchise QB goes into another year playing with practice squad talent on offense. 

 

people who think Allen is somehow magically going to take this offense from bottom 3 to top 15 are going to get a big fat reality check soon. our offense is FAR from where it needs to be right now. 

 

Perhaps you should pay attention to the offseason, we signed half the NFL on offense. We could stand to add a WR, OT/OG and TE, but we are in good shape on offense and there is a LOT of decent depth at WR and TE in Rds 3 and beyond, whereas there are only 4-5 viable pass rushers left.

[Victory Formation]

Wouldn't mind Jawaan Taylor in a trade up scenario. 

[njbuff]

17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

That guy? The one with the bum knee? 

 

Just think of the RB's that were drafted ahead of him in 88.

 

Ouch.

[LabattBlue]

I'd sit tight at 40.  Make a move to get a 2nd day two pick, or even dump a 5 and a 6 to get another 4, but leave 40 alone.  They are going to get a good player.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..plenty of talent left.....ideally (I'm dreamin'), package up picks to get an extra 2nd and make Risner kid one of them.....

[quincy]

At pick 40, the last 4 teams have drafted a WR in that slot. 

 

Will Buffalo do the same?!

 

Personally I'd strongly consider Cody Ford and Greedy Williams at 40 instead.

 

[BillsfanAZ]

46 minutes ago, XABI64 said:

 

yup lets continue to draft defense while our potential franchise QB goes into another year playing with practice squad talent on offense. 

 

people who think Allen is somehow magically going to take this offense from bottom 3 to top 15 are going to get a big fat reality check soon. our offense is FAR from where it needs to be right now. 

I think the only positions the Bills wont pick in the second are DT, C,  RB, and QB. The rest of positions are open. After the first round I think there are groups of guys that are ranked about the same so you have options. If the Bills have a player with a first round grade or high 2nd then I think they pick him.......CB and OT are most likely. 

[zow2]

I'd be OK with packaging a bunch of the remaining picks just to get two solid players tonight.  A starting quality Offensive Tackle and Wide Receiver.  That's it.  If the entire draft nets 3 solid starters I can live with that, taking into consideration all the Free Agents they signed as well.

[100DollarBills]

I may be in the minority, but I think Hakeem Butler will be a better pro than DK. 

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I'd be OK with packaging a bunch of the remaining picks just to get two solid players tonight.  A starting quality Offensive Tackle and Wide Receiver.  That's it.  If the entire draft nets 3 solid starters I can live with that, taking into consideration all the Free Agents they signed as well.

If it was me, I'd just stand pat and pick 10 players.  There are no guarantees if they move up a few picks in an upcoming round, that the player selected will amount to anything.  The more picks you make, the better the chances are that you find a diamond in the rough.

Edited April 26, 2019 by LabattBlue

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

I really hope a couple of QBs are taken in front of us at #40. I think Drew Lock will go and possibly Ryan Finley. 

 

Im hoping we pick one of these guys.

 

OT Jawaan Taylor

OT Cody Ford

WR DK Metcalf

CB Byron Murphy
WR AJ Brown

CB Justin Layne

While Murphy is BPA and I really like Lane, I would prefer to trade back instead of taking them.  There’s too many players available that have major upside that can help out Josh Allen OR add to our pass rush.  Corner play is the very last of our worries.  

 

I could see a safety being the pick though as our backups are suspect and actually play.  Raffy Bush was picked on last season when he wasn’t effectively blitzing 

[ctk232]

1 hour ago, Just Joshin' said:

Would rather let BPA come to us @40 and move back into 2nd with 3rd and 3rd with 4th.

^This - player wise my preference would be for Butler and/or Risner as I feel we can keep our 2nd and still package picks to move back up to a similar spot to get both.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Dont trade up for anyone. I thought Beane was a BPA guy. Just sit tight and you will get a player at 40.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

 

This is absolute crazy talk.

 

Dont want to hear the lack of weapons/online excuses this season. How many 14-13 final score games do you want to sit through?

[Ittakestime]

Irv Smith Jr and its not close.

 

I personally think there is a pretty large drop off from Smith to Sternberger/Knox/Warring.

 

Also, Daboll already coached Irv, which I think would help getting him involved quicker.

[zow2]

8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If it was me, I'd just stand pat and pick 10 players.  There are no guarantees if they move up a few picks in an upcoming round, that the player selected will amount to anything.  The more picks you make, the better the chances are that you find a diamond in the rough.

 

I hear ya,  I'm typically of that mindset but this year i feel like all those round 5-7 guys are going to be such a longshot anyway,  I'm fine picking at #40 but maybe move up from #74 tonight if the guy they desperately want it still on the board.  I wouldn't give away anything in next year's draft just deal from the #74 slot and Saturday's picks. 

[Your Brown Eye]

I'd stay at 40 and get Risner. Seems not to long ago people here wanted him n the 1st, now he might still be available at 40. Finalize the o-line and protect Josh for the next decade.

[starrymessenger]

I think they sit tight and take who they feel is BPA-and there are plenty of good prospects. Just my preference but Id like to see O-line and TE in the second, then whatever is best from amongst WR, DB and RB remaining when they are on the clock. I sort of like the idea of packaging later round picks for an extra second except our braintrust seems to be pretty good at finding gems much later, even undrafted. I feel a lot better now on draft day that I have confidence in our GM, HC, scouts and others involved in the evaluations. Didnt always have that feeling in the past.

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Metcalf all day.

I am a bit concerned about Metcalf.  He does not run routes well, he drops a lot of passes.  He seems to be a one trick pony.  It would be nice to have a deep threat, but we have more pressing needs along the oline.

[Bangarang]

6 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Dont want to hear the lack of weapons/online excuses this season. How many 14-13 final score games do you want to sit through?

 

I guess I missed the part where I advocated drafting only defense. 

[100DollarBills]

3 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I am a bit concerned about Metcalf.  He does not run routes well, he drops a lot of passes.  He seems to be a one trick pony.  It would be nice to have a deep threat, but we have more pressing needs along the oline.

Yep, give me Akeem Butler, the dude can separate and stretch catch for the ball like no other. 

[The Senator]

1 hour ago, XABI64 said:

 

yup lets continue to draft defense while our potential franchise QB goes into another year playing with practice squad talent on offense. 

 

people who think Allen is somehow magically going to take this offense from bottom 3 to top 15 are going to get a big fat reality check soon. our offense is FAR from where it needs to be right now. 

 

It would have been foolish to pass on Oliver, but I agree - we need to give Josh some targets, and better protection.

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[ngbills]

No trade up. The 3rd we trade to move up could get someone at a similar level. We can fill two needs - WR, TE, OL, CB with similar talent. Walk away with a combo like:

 

Taylor/Metcalf/Greedy/AJ Brown/Ford/Risner/Smith

 

and 

 

Little/Winovich/Butler/C Wilson

[starrymessenger]

6 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I am a bit concerned about Metcalf.  He does not run routes well, he drops a lot of passes.  He seems to be a one trick pony.  It would be nice to have a deep threat, but we have more pressing needs along the oline.

Hes a great kid and an athlete from another world. I sort of feel bad for him. I dont know that they pick him if available. I get the feeling that the Bills will be disappointed if they fail to make a strong playoff run this year. I think thats what they expect. I dont know they will want to wait the 2 to 3 years needed to find out if he can develop. Brown is good to go and Butler has done more to favourably project to the next level.

[billsfan89]

DK and Taylor are the sexy names, Byron Murphy might be the best corner in the draft, a lot of people were very high on Greedy Williams who might be the best corner in the draft. AJ Brown is another WR that had 1st round expectations by some. Cody Ford is another high end player still on the board. 

 

Right now if I am the Bills just stay put at pick 8. There are 8 legit prospects still on the board right now and the better prospect is to just stay put at pick 40 see which of the best remaining players are there. Ideally my dream draft scenario is to have Ford there at pick 40 that would complete the fortress built in front of Josh Allen. Then the team trades back into the mid 50's and takes DK who I hope falls. Ford and DK would cement two blue chip young players that Allen could grow with in the coming years. Ford anchors a guard or tackle spot along the O-line while DK is a bigger DeSean Jackson type deep threat with stud potential (and the injury risk is much more tolerable for a late second round pick.) 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

58 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Just think of the RB's that were drafted ahead of him in 88.

 

Ouch.

 

Im still stuck on that Oklahoma state backfield with he and Barry

[CaptnCoke11]

If they trade up it better be for Metcalf.  You hit on him it’s a grand slam.  The other receivers are a dime a dozen and are available every year.  

[CEN-CAL17]

 

Trade back into the 3rd....

 

 

[Jamie Mueller]

29 minutes ago, NewEra said:

While Murphy is BPA and I really like Lane, I would prefer to trade back instead of taking them.  There’s too many players available that have major upside that can help out Josh Allen OR add to our pass rush.  Corner play is the very last of our worries.  

 

I could see a safety being the pick though as our backups are suspect and actually play.  Raffy Bush was picked on last season when he wasn’t effectively blitzing 

 

I'm thinking that we're more set at safety than at almost any other spot on the roster.

For me... the best way to upgrade our passing game is to grab a top TE... Irv Smith would be real tempting if he's still there.

[Juice_32]

I do not think we need to trade up from 8 to get a great player at a position of need. I would be willing to trade back into the end of the 2nd round if the right player was there. I am fully expecting 1 or 2 trade ups before its over. I do not think they'll make 10 picks.

[DallasMac]

16 minutes ago, 100DollarBills said:

Yep, give me Akeem Butler, the dude can separate and stretch catch for the ball like no other. 

Feel like I'm in bizarro world.  Metcalf can't catch and Butler can?  Feel like I've seen and heard the opposite.  Give me Metcalf, Risner, or Winovich.

[Jamie Mueller]

26 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I'd stay at 40 and get Risner. Seems not to long ago people here wanted him n the 1st, now he might still be available at 40. Finalize the o-line and protect Josh for the next decade.

 

 That one's tempting too... he's supposed to be an animal in the running game.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Stay put or trade down so we can trade up again and have 3-4 picks today!!

I am about trading down and getting a 1st rounder for 2020.

32 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I'd stay at 40 and get Risner. Seems not to long ago people here wanted him n the 1st, now he might still be available at 40. Finalize the o-line and protect Josh for the next decade.

Do you think that we could trade down and still get him 10 or so spots later?

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Jamie Mueller said:

 

I'm thinking that we're more set at safety than at almost any other spot on the roster.

For me... the best way to upgrade our passing game is to grab a top TE... Irv Smith would be real tempting if he's still there.

We have no depth at safety.  When Hyde and porter missed time bush started and didn’t play very well.  Mo alexander didn’t even play last year other than specially teams.  So one injury to poyer or Hyde and we have bush starting again.

 

while at corner. White will be playing opposite Either Levi Wallace, who played very well year or Ej Gaines. One gets hurt and the other replaces him.  Then there’s former first rd pick Kevin Johnson who had injuries derail his career to date, but could be a great fit I. This system.  We have 3 solid starters (Tre, Levi/Gaines and Taron)  plus 2 very solid backups 

 

Then theres Taron Johnson, who played exceptionally well last season and looks like the perfect slot corner going forward.  

 

While poyer has 2 years left on his contract that is a relative steal.  He wants to (and deserves to get paid).  But they may not want to pay him what could be 10 mill a year.  

 

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am about trading down and getting a 1st rounder for 2020.

Do you think that we could trade down and still get him 10 or so spots later?

I’m on board with that, just depends on which players we’d have to pass on this year and what picks would be included this season

 

[CaptnCoke11]

31 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I am a bit concerned about Metcalf.  He does not run routes well, he drops a lot of passes.  He seems to be a one trick pony.  It would be nice to have a deep threat, but we have more pressing needs along the oline.

What’s the pressing need on the OL ?

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We have no depth at safety.  When Hyde and porter missed time bush started and didn’t play very well.  Mo alexander didn’t even play last year other than specially teams.  So one injury to poyer or Hyde and we have bush starting again.

 

while at corner. White will be playing opposite Either Levi Wallace, who played very well year or Ej Gaines. One gets hurt and the other replaces him.  Then there’s former first rd pick Kevin Johnson who had injuries derail his career to date, but could be a great fit I. This system.  We have 3 solid starters (Tre, Levi/Gaines and Taron)  plus 2 very solid backups 

 

Then theres Taron Johnson, who played exceptionally well last season and looks like the perfect slot corner going forward.  

 

While poyer has 2 years left on his contract that is a relative steal.  He wants to (and deserves to get paid).  But they may not want to pay him what could be 10 mill a year.  

 

This honestly is the best thing about this team and the board right now, no one is arguing about filling a specific hole. Much like with pick 1, you can go in lots of other directions and it is simply based on the best player on the board. 

 

Usually it would be we need CB because we let, Winfield, Clements, Gilmore etc walk. We need LT because we traded Peters, we need C because Wood retired, we need a G to fill...

 

We are talking about depth positions in RD 2. (I suppose WR/TE are still there, but we upgraded a lot already and you can't force it all into 1 year)

 

 

[McBean]

Do NOT trade up Beane.

[Jamie Mueller]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We have no depth at safety.  When Hyde and porter missed time bush started and didn’t play very well.  Mo alexander didn’t even play last year other than specially teams.  So one injury to poyer or Hyde and we have bush starting again.

 

while at corner. White will be playing opposite Either Levi Wallace, who played very well year or Ej Gaines. One gets hurt and the other replaces him.  Then there’s former first rd pick Kevin Johnson who had injuries derail his career to date, but could be a great fit I. This system.  We have 3 solid starters (Tre, Levi/Gaines and Taron)  plus 2 very solid backups 

 

Then theres Taron Johnson, who played exceptionally well last season and looks like the perfect slot corner going forward.  

 

While poyer has 2 years left on his contract that is a relative steal.  He wants to (and deserves to get paid).  But they may not want to pay him what could be 10 mill a year.  

 

 

I was actually thinking about Neal and Marlowe coming along at safety... but I also think that the team likes Bush a lot more that most people on this board.

Edited April 26, 2019 by Jamie Mueller

[formerlyofCtown]

BPA which may be Risner or a WR.  Metcalf probably has a Metcalf sized chip on his shoulder now.