If Allen is real deal, bills make playoffs

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Actually, if a QB doesn't make significant improvement in his second year as a starter, he's unlikely to become a successful QB.  That first year as a starter is a huge learning curve for young QBs, but the second year is when they should demonstrate that they're likely to develop into a good QB or just another mediocre one.    Even with showing promise as a second year starter, though, a youngster needs to continue to develop and hone his skills.   That's what separates QBs like Rivers, Rodgers and Wilson from Sanchez and Tannehill.

Tannehill showed progress.....  He just plateaued.   I really don't think Tannehill is all that bad.  

[formerlyofCtown]

10 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said:

Nice pieces added in free agency. Could still use another piece on offense whether that’s OL, TE, RB

 

but if Allen is going to be a franchise QBs, this team makes playoffs.  Good QBs can carry a team to playoffs almost every year 

 

If they dont make it and the team isn’t decimated by injuries, I will hit the panic button on qb 

On paper everything looks good.  We have an offensive line that has been completely rebuilt.  I like the signings but its all on paper right now.  

 

If Allen improves and the line gels then yes I see playoffs.

[formerlyofCtown]

22 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Actually, if a QB doesn't make significant improvement in his second year as a starter, he's unlikely to become a successful QB.  That first year as a starter is a huge learning curve for young QBs, but the second year is when they should demonstrate that they're likely to develop into a good QB or just another mediocre one.    Even with showing promise as a second year starter, though, a youngster needs to continue to develop and hone his skills.   That's what separates QBs like Rivers, Rodgers and Wilson from Sanchez and Tannehill.

It took Drew Brees til his fourth season and Alex Smith til his 6th.  With that being said, I like the drive Allen has and do believe he will make huge strides.  Now how quickly everything else gels is also a factor.

[Tatonka68]

Nothing worse than a 10-6 season or better and a playoff VICTORY will do. When you look at our schedule right now that doesn't seem out of reach. Allen should have a combined 35 TD's this year.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Tatonka68

[mjt328]

There are lots of moving pieces, so it's hard to make a statement like "playoffs or bust."

 

What if Josh Allen throws for 4000 yards and 40 touchdowns, and somehow the defense falls apart and we miss the postseason?

 

[Tatonka68]

44 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

We need to make the playoffs this year and Allen needs to be a big part of that. 

 

This is what I'm hoping for

 

16 games

59.4 completion percentage

28 passing TD's

3520 passing yards

831 rushing yards

10 rushing TD's

Allen had a 52% completion percentage last year, but 5% of his passes were drops. SoI will say 60% sounds better.

[Mike Bison]

I'm confused, I thought this was TBD

 "I think" forum.

Now it's switched back to the "I demand"

"We must or else"

 

Geez this place is pathetic. Get a grip

[FeelingOnYouboty]

19 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Allen had a 52% completion percentage last year, but 5% of his passes were drops. SoI will say 60% sounds better.

 

I'd be elated. 

[falgobofu]

I hope Allen progresses, we have upgraded the line and more importantly we have a solid center. I believe that is such a huge variable, now people saying Allen finished strong are right to an extent. The last game he looked like a rockstar but it was against a Miami team that had all but given up and were not playing all first string, he should have tore that team up. We need Allens QBR to raise, 2 of the last three games he didnt even break 20 so saying he finished strong is a false statement.

[aristocrat]

if allen is the real deal and our defense plays like it did last year with less time on the field and better field position we will be  a very good team. I want to see high 3000's pass yards and around 30 pass tds. 

[Romie]

It's on McDermott and his staff now.  A good coach can develop a quarter back  and can plug and play QBs in his system.  

[CincyBillsFan]

Making the playoffs next year is a realistic goal.  Ditto for expecting to see a significant jump in the quality of Allen's QB performance.  That Allen showed such a clear improvement post versus pre-injury gives us every reason to be optimistic about his continued growth. 

 

I think the Bill's FO has had an amazingly productive off season and has dramatically improved this team in the offensive areas it desperately needed improvement.  They are now free to draft the best players available rather then trying to meet an immediate need. 

 

Throw in the fact that neither Miami or the Jets look greatly improved and NE is bound to slide as it continues to age and the Bills are perfectly placed to make a run at a divisional title. 

[billsbackto81]

9 hours ago, Rubes said:

Even a modest improvement in offensive line play will give Allen the opportunity to show his stuff. If he gets decent protection, I am eager to see what he does with it.

 

I agree with your assessment. He's got two speedsters on the out side to keep the safeties honest and out of the box. He's got a solid slot receiver and hopefully a tight end to go along with that either in Kroft or a draft pick. The improvements on the offensive line will also help Shady get back to form and help Allens'

 own rushing as well though I hope he does less of it this year. Looking forward to significantly marked improvement from Allen.

Edited March 20, 2019 by billsbackto81

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Throw in the fact that neither Miami or the Jets look greatly improved and NE is bound to slide as it continues to age and the Bills are perfectly placed to make a run at a divisional title. 

 

I disagree a bit on the Jets. I think Anderson, Onunwa and Crowder is on paper easily the best receiving unit in the AFCE and has lots of speed and big play ability. Add Lev Bell, Kelechi Osemele and growth from Darnold and I think the Jets offense has the potential to be much improved. They still need another offensive lineman but I think they could be pretty dynamic. 

 

They need pass rush help on defense and I think they need a corner too but I expect the Jets to be pretty good in 2019. I think they will compete with the Bills for a playoff spot.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

not just Josh improving but Daboll's offense should really be able to click now.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

Allen had a 52% completion percentage last year, but 5% of his passes were drops. SoI will say 60% sounds better.

5%?  No way.  More like 25% maybe even more.

 

Hell 60% of passes to KB were dropped (I'll factored in throw away's and uncatchable balls  - 37.1% caught) 

 

There have been "adjusted" Comp % numbers tossed around and IIRC Josh's adjusted CP is in the 70's.  

 

 

[BillsBlue]

12 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said:

Nice pieces added in free agency. Could still use another piece on offense whether that’s OL, TE, RB

 

but if Allen is going to be a franchise QBs, this team makes playoffs.  Good QBs can carry a team to playoffs almost every year 

 

If they dont make it and the team isn’t decimated by injuries, I will hit the panic button on qb 

I wouldn't panic at that point while he should make a huge leap and playoffs shouldnt be impossible we have a huge amount of roster turnover right now and it's going to take at least the first 3 or 5 games for the team to gel alltogether well enough to compete with the big boys and even play to the rosters potential is going to take a good year or so.....

[Bangarang]

38 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

5%?  No way.  More like 25% maybe even more.

 

Hell 60% of passes to KB were dropped (I'll factored in throw away's and uncatchable balls  - 37.1% caught) 

 

There have been "adjusted" Comp % numbers tossed around and IIRC Josh's adjusted CP is in the 70's.  

 

 

 

If I recall correctly, even his adjusted completion percentage was still towards the bottom of the league.

 

i also think it’s a gross over exaggeration to say at least 25% of his passes were dropped.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Bangarang

[Magox]

With continued focus in the off season with his mechanics, more familiarity with Dabolls offense, renewed focus on looking for the underneath route/better decision making, better receivers better pass protection and going into his 2nd year as the starter I think you will see his completion percentage jump to around the 60% area.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

 

If I recall correctly, even his adjusted completion percentage was still towards the bottom of the league.

 

i also think it’s a gross over exaggeration to say at least 25% of his passes were dropped.

Oh, I agree.   70 looks better than 50    

 

That still doesn't factor in that the WR's didn't do him any favors (which would have given him better stats). 

 

Targets  to  Zay and KB 

102 + 62 = 164

Catches

56 + 23 = 79

 

Caught .481. 

[Chicharito]

I have already said we will win the division this year!

[Ronin]

6 hours ago, Magox said:

That will not be the final determinant from the Pegulas.  They will make their assessment primarily on the trajectory of the organization more so than whether or not they make the playoffs.

 

Not really, if Allen doesn't make massive strides in his short-medium passing game, which he'll need to do in order to achieve merely average passer status, then it's not going to bode well for McBeane who have inherently put all of their eggs into Allen's basket. 

 

Let's refresh from last year's Draft;  We could have had Edmunds with the original first 1st-round pick.  Phillips was taken with the last of 6 day-1/2 picks.  That means that essentially McBeane traded away four day-1/2 picks, one in round 1, both 2nd's, and our 1st-pick in round 3, which is essentially like another 2nd-round pick, in order to acquire Allen when the entire team needed to be rebuilt.  When you make a trade like that given the state that this team was in prior to doing so, your career necessarily hinges on it.  

 

If Allen works out, great, and I, like everyone else, hope he does.  But if not, there's no way on earth that they're going to have this team playoff-caliber anytime soon.  Not to mention that they're essentially committed to starting Allen at least thru this season and next, so if he fails us, then it'll be like starting over.  The Pegulas will not only be dealing with that but will be dealing with an understandably critical fanbase and media, both regional as well as national.  

 

We're jumping the gun here a little bit, but the leap that Allen would have to make in his passing game this season to fringe on becoming a franchise QB in that regard would be monumental.  I'm not sure I see that kind of improvement in any QB, Allen or another, particularly based upon his history.  

 

We'll see tho.  But make no mistake, it's not going to be his rushing or deep game that renders him a franchise QB, as with EVERY other franchise QB, Brady being a prime example, he'll have to do it with the short-medium game being his bread-n-butter.  

 

In short, the "trajectory of this organization" hinges directly upon Allen's play.  

Edited March 20, 2019 by TaskersGhost

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Things I'd like to see

 

- Starts all 16 games

- 60+ completion percentage, and close to 4000 in the air.  A real NFL offense.

- 25+ TDs in the air - im cool with a few extra's on the ground but I want more damage with his arm.

- Sub 20 total turnovers as a team - 32 is way too many.  We were 6-0 when we had fewer than 2 turnovers, and 0-10 when we had more than 2.

- Score 13+ in every game.  We can't have so many stinker gameplans where we just looked totally inept as a team.

 

If Allen can hit these benchmarks, and we have a solid running game - we will make the playoffs.

[PrimeTime101]

16 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said:

Nice pieces added in free agency. Could still use another piece on offense whether that’s OL, TE, RB

 

but if Allen is going to be a franchise QBs, this team makes playoffs.  Good QBs can carry a team to playoffs almost every year 

 

If they dont make it and the team isn’t decimated by injuries, I will hit the panic button on qb 

Stupid statements like this... Aaron Rogers is a Franchise QB.. Why didn't they make the playoffs last year..

 

Oh wait.. Let me think.. Hmm.. Don't think longer then 2 seconds and you will have the answer..

 

There is no I in TEAM!.  This is a TEAM SPORT for a reason.. you can have one of the better QB's in football and not make the playoffs. How come Jim Kelly didn't make the playoffs his second year? Oh he didn't? Then he must SUCK right?

[TigerJ]

No offense, but that's kind of a no brainer.

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Oh, I agree.   70 looks better than 50    

 

That still doesn't factor in that the WR's didn't do him any favors (which would have given him better stats). 

 

Targets  to  Zay and KB 

102 + 62 = 164

Catches

56 + 23 = 79

 

Caught .481. 

Targets mean anything thrown their direction.

 

So a throw 5 feet over Zay Jones’ head is still a target.

 

Also, just because it wasn’t caught doesn’t make it a drop.

 

If Allen finishes the year over 57%. I’ll call that a great improvement and be quite optimistic heading into year 3.

[Figster]

35 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Stupid statements like this... Aaron Rogers is a Franchise QB.. Why didn't they make the playoffs last year..

 

Oh wait.. Let me think.. Hmm.. Don't think longer then 2 seconds and you will have the answer..

 

There is no I in TEAM!.  This is a TEAM SPORT for a reason.. you can have one of the better QB's in football and not make the playoffs. How come Jim Kelly didn't make the playoffs his second year? Oh he didn't? Then he must SUCK right?

I get where your coming from because without good coaching/supporting cast its all for not.   Generally speaking though good QB's do help carry their teams to the playoffs more often then not in my humble opinion. 

 

Not having a good QB clearly didn't go well for Buffalo despite fielding top 3 D's.

 

When I say good meaning franchise, borderline franchise 

[Jasovon]

Not necessarily playoffs, but we need at least 9 wins this year to keep my faith.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

16 hours ago, Rubes said:

Even a modest improvement in offensive line play will give Allen the opportunity to show his stuff. If he gets decent protection, I am eager to see what he does with it.

 

Throws the ball over those mountains?  ?

[Tenhigh]

16 hours ago, Rubes said:

Even a modest improvement in offensive line play will give Allen the opportunity to show his stuff. If he gets decent protection, I am eager to see what he does with it.

 

Maybe our terrible 2018 o-line play accelerated his abilities, lol. The game is gonna be slow as molasses for Josh behind this years oline.  

Edited March 20, 2019 by Tenhigh

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Stupid statements like this... Aaron Rogers is a Franchise QB.. Why didn't they make the playoffs last year..

 

Oh wait.. Let me think.. Hmm.. Don't think longer then 2 seconds and you will have the answer..

 

There is no I in TEAM!.  This is a TEAM SPORT for a reason.. you can have one of the better QB's in football and not make the playoffs. How come Jim Kelly didn't make the playoffs his second year? Oh he didn't? Then he must SUCK right?

The Packers Coach was fired FWIW.

 

If, and this is the worst possible scenario, Allen doesn't improve as a passer and the team doesn't look like a legit playoff contender, the questions are going to swirl as to whether the coaching staff, Allen, or both, need to go. 

 

We're definitely jumping the gun here, but this is a make or break season for many folks within the Bills organization.

[ndirish1978]

19 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

Where the heck is this coming from? 

 

Look at OP's name - his topic is a surprise to you?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Targets mean anything thrown their direction.

 

So a throw 5 feet over Zay Jones’ head is still a target.

 

Also, just because it wasn’t caught doesn’t make it a drop.

 

If Allen finishes the year over 57%. I’ll call that a great improvement and be quite optimistic heading into year 3.

I know.  I used the in the area as a reason Zay sucked so bad last year. 

 

Tyrod was innacurate on moving targets 

[Hebert19]

21 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said:

Nice pieces added in free agency. Could still use another piece on offense whether that’s OL, TE, RB

 

but if Allen is going to be a franchise QBs, this team makes playoffs.  Good QBs can carry a team to playoffs almost every year 

 

If they dont make it and the team isn’t decimated by injuries, I will hit the panic button on qb 

Woah.  Talk about extreme viewpoint.  Ha. 

 

If he's the man yes I think this team should make the playoffs...but to say that good QBs carry their teams to the playoffs almost every year is too extreme.  

 

Drew brees couldnt get new Orleans in a few years.   Hes a hall of Famer.  Stafford cant get lions in.  Is he bad.  Matt ryan cant get his team in.  Is he bad? Fact is. If team sucks there are only a handful of guys who can single handedly get their teams in.  

[PromoTheRobot]

If second half Josh Allen is the average level of play next year, assuming the receiver corps improves, we are wild card contenders.

[oldmanfan]

Let the kid play and develop.  Don't go overboard when he makes a great play and don't start with the he's a bust crap if he makes a bad one.  Look long term and not short term.

 

Oh, and panic over a QB?  I'll save panic mode for things like a call in the middle of the night from the police when my daughter hasn't come home, or when my doctor tells me we need to talk.  Let's keep some perspective here.

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Woah.  Talk about extreme viewpoint.  Ha. 

 

If he's the man yes I think this team should make the playoffs...but to say that good QBs carry their teams to the playoffs almost every year is too extreme.  

 

Drew brees couldnt get new Orleans in a few years.   Hes a hall of Famer.  Stafford cant get lions in.  Is he bad.  Matt ryan cant get his team in.  Is he bad? Fact is. If team sucks there are only a handful of guys who can single handedly get their teams in.  

Here's the rub. Beane and company just went all in to make the roster playoff caliber. Stafford and Ryan have had how many coaches? Brees is the only one that hasn't had extreme organizational changes during their respective careers.

 

So it's safe to say people are gonna start asking a lot of questions if this team doesn't make the playoffs. 

 

Rams did it. Bears did it. Eagles did it. Chiefs did it. Texans did it. Every single first round QB taken in the prior two drafts made the playoffs in their second season.

 

Why the heck not us? If you trust the regime and you trust Allen, it's pretty close to playoffs or bust.

Edited March 21, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Buffalo03]

Honestly, looking at our opponents this year, I don't see how playoffs isn't a possibility. Outside of two guaranteed losses to the Patriots I think every game is winnable. 

[Jerome007]

On 3/19/2019 at 10:18 PM, Troll Toll said:

Where the heck is this coming from? The guy was basically our entire offense down the stretch and performed exceptionally. Now you’re ready to draft another QB if we don’t make the playoffs next year? As far as I’m concerned, the WRs, OL, RBs and run defense have more to prove than Allen at this point. We still don’t have proven impact players at skill positions.

Yep. And what about all the time Brees, Ryan and Rivers haven't made the playoffs? Or Rodgers and Big Ben this year? Ridiculous opening statement post.

 

Now I sure want Allen to lead the Bills to the playoffs THIS year and all the next ha ha, it goes without saying, and they can do it, but come on.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Jerome007

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Honestly, looking at our opponents this year, I don't see how playoffs isn't a possibility. Outside of two guaranteed losses to the Patriots I think every game is winnable. 

 

Maybe... for once... we'll play NE in the first 4 weeks of the season when they tend to struggle.  We probably have never beaten them in december unless brady literally just sat on the bench.  

 

This is the year baby! Bury em!!

Edited March 21, 2019 by dneveu