If Allen is real deal, bills make playoffs

[gonzo1105]

I expect a leap and we should make the playoffs if he does. Our schedule is not very tough if he does make that leap. The Dolphins twice, the NY Giants, Washington Redskins should be auto wins to get us to 4 already 

 

we could easily win games against the Jets(2), Bengals, Ravens, Titans, Broncos, Steelers

 

Tough games against the Pats(2), Browns, Cowboys, Eagles and I would suspect we’d win a couple of these games 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, R Y G A R said:

If he and Beasley can get on the same page with those 6-7 yard outs, that should open up a lot for this offense.

Josh will have to work on the accuracy of his short crosses to make Beasley shine. If he does this I feel the other routes will be fine. I'm giving him 3 full years before judgement or any panic. He'll improve this year, no doubt. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I just wish this Brady fella wasn't in our division, it complicates things.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Chill said:

I expect a Goff like improvement in year 2. 

 

Playoffs is the goal. 

 

I would add Trubisky into that convo as well.

 

Bills did exactly what both Rams and Bears did after their young QB's rookie year...rebuild the OL, WRs, and TEs.  Both QB's made significant improvements in their 2nd year.  

 

IMO, Bills WILL make the playoffs next year.  The question mark for me is if it will be as a Wildcard or Divisional winner.  I legit think we CAN win the division next year if the pieces all gel early.  But it may take a few games to get their rhythm, and if that is the case, may make it hard to dethrone the Pats but we can still make the playoffs.  Look at Bears, took a few games before Trubisky started finding his way in the offense in his 2nd year.  Nothing is more important for a QB than timing and feel with the other 10 guys on the field.  That can take time, but I love that Allen is wasting no time and working out all offseason with all of them.  

[Chandler#81]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I would add Trubisky into that convo as well.

 

Bills did exactly what both Rams and Bears did after their young QB's rookie year...rebuild the OL, WRs, and TEs.  Both QB's made significant improvements in their 2nd year.  

 

IMO, Bills WILL make the playoffs next year.  The question mark for me is if it will be as a Wildcard or Divisional winner.  I legit think we CAN win the division next year if the pieces all gel early.  But it may take a few games to get their rhythm, and if that is the case, may make it hard to dethrone the Pats but we can still make the playoffs.  Look at Bears, took a few games before Trubisky started finding his way in the offense in his 2nd year.  Nothing is more important for a QB than timing and feel with the other 10 guys on the field.  That can take time, but I love that Allen is wasting no time and working out all offseason with all of them.  

 

I’m leaning the same way. At least by last season’s standards, the schedule seems easier, which is half the battle. So many new faces (and more to come) will make ‘gelling’ an early challenge, then there’s the injury factor.. I think da Bears were pretty good right from the get go last year. They were well ahead of GB in the opener until you know who did you know what. But I agree, it appears to be the same blueprint. Hope we can trade for a Kalil Mack just before the Opener...

[Buffalo Barbarian]

We are making the playoffs

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I’d settle for a 2:1 TD:INT ratio in year two as a sign of progress

[Estro]

If Allen plays 16 games this year I want to see:

 

-3500 yards passing

-600 yards rushing

-22 pass TD's

-6 rush TD's

-less than 12 INT's

 

I would consider this nice progress for year 2.

[buffalo2218]

I can't set any kind of expectations such as playoffs, that's not to say I don't wanna be proven wrong. But I think it's a bit too much to ask of Allen to make that kind of jump in year 2. If he can show some kind of gradual improvement, I'll take that.  But playoffs or bust? That to me is way premature

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I would add Trubisky into that convo as well.

 

Bills did exactly what both Rams and Bears did after their young QB's rookie year...rebuild the OL, WRs, and TEs.  Both QB's made significant improvements in their 2nd year.  

 

IMO, Bills WILL make the playoffs next year.  The question mark for me is if it will be as a Wildcard or Divisional winner.  I legit think we CAN win the division next year if the pieces all gel early.  But it may take a few games to get their rhythm, and if that is the case, may make it hard to dethrone the Pats but we can still make the playoffs.  Look at Bears, took a few games before Trubisky started finding his way in the offense in his 2nd year.  Nothing is more important for a QB than timing and feel with the other 10 guys on the field.  That can take time, but I love that Allen is wasting no time and working out all offseason with all of them.  

 

I think Trubisky is a more sensible year 2 benchmark and I expect Allen to be there. I also think the Bills have an excellent chance of the playoffs in 2019. I think the schedule looks favourable (not sure how good the NFCE is going to be and I think the AFCN Cleveland aside is in a bit of transition, plus Miami look to be basically tanking) and I think the Bills are at the right point in their curve. The Patriots will still win double figure games and actually our challenge might come from the Jets (as well as the AFCS and AFCW) for a wildcard. They will have the benefit of the same schedule and I liked what I saw out of Darnold down the stretch last year, they have some pieces still on defense, I am a big fan of their two WRs and they have Lev Bell.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if hitting Thanksgiving there are still three teams in the AFCE division race for the first time in a generation.

[ThurmasThoman]

32 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I can't set any kind of expectations such as playoffs, that's not to say I don't wanna be proven wrong. But I think it's a bit too much to ask of Allen to make that kind of jump in year 2. If he can show some kind of gradual improvement, I'll take that.  But playoffs or bust? That to me is way premature

 

I would say none of us know, because we don't know the philosophy of this regime.

The Eagles and Ravens dealt away Super Bowl MVP QBs this offseason, while the Giants keep a much worse Eli around.
The Dolphins stuck with a mediocre QB trying to develop him for 7 seasons, while the Cardinals are ready to move on from last years first round pick.

The Rams and Browns are signing every big name player they can to a short term deal around a QB on a rookie contract, while the Chiefs are building through the draft (mostly) with theirs.

The Cowboys might move on from Dak, the Titans might move on from Mariotta, and yet the Ravens look to want to go all in on the much inferior Jackson.

The Pats get Brady to restructure, and surround him with no names that they buy low and sell high, and hoard compensatory picks, while the Raiders want to trade it all away and are unsure about Carr.

 

Every team is different, and honestly--as much as we don't want to admit it as fans--it has a lot to do with US, and how likely we are to buy the product. 

The real question is, can Buffalo afford to wait on Josh Allen? Buf stuck with Fitz for 3 very unproductive and uninspirational seasons, but benched Tyrod in the year he took us to the playoffs, and traded him that offseason--he got less time here and did way more.

It's marketing. Is Josh Allen what you want to build the brand, not the team, around?

Winning helps, but it's not everything. He needs to put asses in the seats, eyes on the screen, and optimism in the air--regardless of record. 

And yes, there is a very real distinction between 11-5 with a "good" QB, and 11-5 with a QB that fans like and believe in--ask Doug Flutie and Jim Kelly their perspective on that question, respectively.

Elway has a lifetime pass to run the Broncos into the ground because of the Helicopter. If Buf went 1-15 but Josh Allen won the 16th game of the year on a 99 yard, last second, fake kneel down scramble against New England to bump them from the 6seed and keep them out of the playoffs, diving the last 2 yards with a Patriot hanging on to his ankles? In a snowstorm? We'd love him. But if he lost the last game of the year to New England, at home, to finish 11-5 and lose the division, and the AFC was so loaded this year that it also meant missing the playoffs? Well--I've been on the internet since porn was pictures only, and I can promise you, more fans than not would start to hate him and consider him a choke artist.

It's all context and perception, and it's different for every team, and some games are more important than others, and some stats are more important than others, and some wins are more important than others, and some seasons are more important than others.

We won't know how he needs to do this year until he's done it and we see what the front office does about it.

 

 

[aceman_16]

7 hours ago, Chill said:

I expect a Goff like improvement in year 2. 

 

Playoffs is the goal. 

Yeah..but didn't Goff go from crap to Watkins, Austin, Woods Kupp and Higby the next year?

[Magox]

8 hours ago, TaskersGhost said:

 

And if not, we're looking at a new GM & Head Coach.

That will not be the final determinant from the Pegulas.  They will make their assessment primarily on the trajectory of the organization more so than whether or not they make the playoffs.

[SoTier]

19 minutes ago, Magox said:

That will not be the final determinant from the Pegulas.  They will make their assessment primarily on the trajectory of the organization more so than whether or not they make the playoffs.

 

Like they've done with the Sabres since they acquired the team?

[Magox]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

Like they've done with the Sabres since they acquired the team?

I think the Pegulas are similar to that of Jones with the cowboys in that when he feels comfortable with a GM/coach and there are at least springs of hope he is willing to be more patient with them.  Like what we saw with Garrett.

 

I believe they like the way Beane/McDermott are running the organization and much to chagrin of Bill's fans I believe he will allow more leeway than what most fans would like to see.  

 

Unless this organization falls off the rails I believe they will have at a minimum 3 more years.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, QBorBust2018 said:

Nice pieces added in free agency. Could still use another piece on offense whether that’s OL, TE, RB

 

but if Allen is going to be a franchise QBs, this team makes playoffs.  Good QBs can carry a team to playoffs almost every year 

 

If they dont make it and the team isn’t decimated by injuries, I will hit the panic button on qb 

 

 

Nah.

 

Plenty of second-year QBs who didn't do much eventually became terrific.

 

Look at Eli Manning. In his second year he completed 52.8%, had 24 TDs and 17 INTs, and a QB rating of 75.9. Drew Brees in his second year had 17 TDs, 16 INTs, had an epically horrible YPA of 6.2 and a passer rating of 76.9.

 

Nobody likes to hear this, but while some guys get it soon, and some guys see a lot of improvement in their second year, some take till their third, fourth or even fifth year to get it.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, McBean said:

Excited to see him in year 2.

 

 

 

Yeah, me too. I'm really hoping for improvements in his mechanics and accuracy.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Thurman#1

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Yeah, me too. I'm really hoping for improvements in his mechanics and accuracy.

 

I need to say this sternly (to the general ppl who think this) 

 

Completion % does NOT mean that Josh has an accuracy issue!!!

 

The number of dropped catches by the WR crew last season was VERY bad.    Zay caught 54.9%, KB was a horrific @ 37.1% and Foster (who people are bragging about) 61.4%

 

Those drops impacted Josh's # and made him look inaccurate!

 

Something to look for  - Cole Beasley .....   Completion %  74.7

Edited March 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[FeelingOnYouboty]

We need to make the playoffs this year and Allen needs to be a big part of that. 

 

This is what I'm hoping for

 

16 games

59.4 completion percentage

28 passing TD's

3520 passing yards

831 rushing yards

10 rushing TD's

[SoTier]

38 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nah.

 

Plenty of second-year QBs who didn't do much eventually became terrific.

 

Actually, if a QB doesn't make significant improvement in his second year as a starter, he's unlikely to become a successful QB.  That first year as a starter is a huge learning curve for young QBs, but the second year is when they should demonstrate that they're likely to develop into a good QB or just another mediocre one.    Even with showing promise as a second year starter, though, a youngster needs to continue to develop and hone his skills.   That's what separates QBs like Rivers, Rodgers and Wilson from Sanchez and Tannehill.