skibum Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: The front office likes guys with upside that have been injured recently which gets them a discount. The upside of that model is Jordan Poyer, the downside is Trent Murphy. As usual I'll wait for the guaranteed money before judging it. All quiet on the offensive line front. I think our biggest spending will go there. This is not a discount. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I like the signing. I like it better than James. 6m seems high but it is a need and I think he has decent upside. Like add a draft pick to the room and TE is settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Lot of money for a no name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, Lurker said: He's had one injury--a broken bone. Played in 44 of 46 games before that... Yep. At first it struck me as an overpay, but looking at the early FA salary reports coming in, it's market value. I like PFF's take: While Kroft hasn’t wowed with his grades, earning a career-high season grade of 64.9 as a rookie, he has been a consistent and flexible option. He plays most of his snaps at inline tight end but can also line up in the slot to catch passes or in the backfield to provide extra blocking in the run-game. He also can contribute on special teams, where he played 531 snaps in his first two seasons, earning a respectable 71.7 grade in 2015. His best season as a receiver came in 2017 filling in for the oft-injured Tyler Eifert, producing 404 yards and seven touchdowns along with a receiving grade of 62.7. If the Bengals choose to move on, the team that acquires Kroft will be getting a solid, multi-dimensional player who can contribute across all phases of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I like this signing. He's a talented TE. Not saying this happens, but think of the two TE sets we could run with Kroft and a TE taken high in the draft this year. Very appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 "Bills deal for Tyler Kroft: $18.75M, $2.4M signing bonus, $8.3M gtd, salaries $1.8M (gtd), $4.45M (gtd inj at signing, skill-cap if on roster fifth day 2020, $4.7M Due a $2.1M roster bonus third day 2019, $750K roster bonus fifth day 2020, $750K roster bonus fifth day 2021" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26152205/barnwell-2019-nfl-free-agency-trade-grades-tracking-every-big-signing-move Tyler Kroft, TE, Buffalo Bills The deal: Three years, $18.8 millionGrade: C The Bills needed a tight end to serve as a weapon for Josh Allen and his generally bereft receiving corps. What they went for was Kroft, who has primarily been a blocking tight end during his pro career. The 6-foot-6, 252-pound Rutgers product did catch 42 passes for 404 yards and six touchdowns during the 2017 season, so there might be some untapped potential here, but nobody is likely to consistently catch a touchdown once every six receptions. Indeed, Kroft has one touchdown across 25 other receptions in his three other pro campaigns. This deal could swing in either direction based on the guarantee. If Buffalo guaranteed Kroft $7 million or so and it's a one-year deal to see what he might do in a larger role, it's a reasonable bet. If the Bills guaranteed Kroft $14 million and plan on standing pat at the position with him alongside Jason Croom, they're not doing Allen any favors. Yes you do otherwise everyone would just post their own LAMP threads. I think espn did well in that review, generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Not much gtd money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Not much gtd money Meaning it is essentially a 1 year Deal with easy out after year 1. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: Meaning it is essentially a 1 year Deal with easy out after year 1. It's Trent Murphy's contract all over again. Never believe the initial report. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Now I'm cool with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Meaning it is essentially a 1 year Deal with easy out after year 1. Yep. The Beane Special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Yeah, like others said: Once the REAL numbers come out, we see that it's a pretty good deal for the Bills. One year, then an easy out. If he balls out, you've got him on a fair deal for two more years. If he doesn't, he's a one-year rental while our drafted rookie TE and Jason Croom develop. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Here's part of an optimistic 2015 scouting report from nfl.com: NFL COMPARISON Travis Kelce BOTTOM LINE Tall, athletic tight end with the frame to add more muscle and the athleticism to get open in space. Kroft is an aggressive blocker who can help the running game win on the edges, but he also possesses the quickness to get open in space and make a play after the catch. Kroft's size, athleticism and competitiveness as a blocker make him a scheme fit for most offenses and he could be one of the top tight ends to come from this draft class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Mike Rodak (@mikerodak) 3/11/19, 9:48 PM Basically the Bills are paying Tyler Kroft $6.4M up front in 2019, plus up to $500,000 if he plays in every game. From there, unless he’s injured, the Bills have almost no financial commitment to him in 2020 or 2021 besides the remaining $1.6M of his signing bonus. twitter.com/mikerodak/stat… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: At $6 mill per, he is the starter. A good, solid right end. I can dig it. And if he sucks, you get out after one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It’s almost like Beane knows how to use the cap and structure deals in a manner that benefits the team. whaley: 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 With that salary structure, you could probably add another tight end with a similar deal and kind of keep the one that winds up being better after a years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: Just enough to make it likely a 2 year deal though. Not absolutely but likely... so I’ll be curious to see more detail https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyler-kroft-16809/ $1.6 mil dead cap if cut after this season ($5 mil savings for 2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Hes better than anything Buffalos had at Te for quite some time. I like his upside. Contract isnt bad either. Fills a need but imo wouldn't stop them from taking a Te high in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, JM57 said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyler-kroft-16809/ $1.6 mil dead cap if cut after this season ($5 mil savings for 2020) I caught the extra posts with more details immediately on hitting submit and deleted. You are quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: I caught the extra posts with more details immediately on hitting submit and deleted. You are quick Just happened to jump in here as you posted and still had the tab open from a few mins ago when I saw it linked on Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This guy stinks. Beane should have went after Jared Cook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And for me. I think Kroft is slightly better. But they are the same bracket as players. Good #2 TEs. And in case people think I am just being homerish my view that Tyler Kroft should be our FA TE target is widely available on these forums. Search my name and Kroft and you will find plenty if threads where I said it. Yep you were on Kroft from the beginning. I appreciate your analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: Bo Jackson: November 30, 1962 (age 56 years) Frank Gore: May 14, 1983 (age 35 years Not really Guess we needed the sarcasm font. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Reed83HOF said: And caught 2 TDs in the famous game vs Ravens that launched Bills into playoffs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And caught 2 TDs in the famous game vs Ravens that launched Bills into playoffs You don't miss a damn beat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: And caught 2 TDs in the famous game vs Ravens that launched Bills into playoffs I don't think I can afford to donate 81 dollars to whatever his cause is. ? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: This guy stinks. Beane should have went after Jared Cook No way does he stink. He's got natural catching hands and decent speed. He catches and turns up field quickly. We may have found a nice piece to the puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I like this signing a whole lot more after seeing the contract details. Not much risk there, and there’s plenty of potential upside. Good job Beane! (and Overdorf...?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 hours ago, sven233 said: NFL Update @MySportsUpdate 15s15 seconds ago #Bills are signing former #Bengals TE Tyler Kroft to a 3-year deal, per his agent. Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 1m1 minute ago The #Bills have agreed to terms with TE Tyler Kroft on a 3-year deal worth $18.75M ($6.25M per year), source said. It can be worth $21M. My question is they hosted Allen first and he signed 2 years $7 million with Dolphins, and then they bring this guy in and pay him 3 year $18.75 mil? Wasn't Allen the cheaper option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, dezertbill said: My question is they hosted Allen first and he signed 2 years $7 million with Dolphins, and then they bring this guy in and pay him 3 year $18.75 mil? Wasn't Allen the cheaper option? Just because they hosted him doesn't mean they offered him..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, dezertbill said: My question is they hosted Allen first and he signed 2 years $7 million with Dolphins, and then they bring this guy in and pay him 3 year $18.75 mil? Wasn't Allen the cheaper option? Allen and Kroft are completely different TE's in terms of skills and how they're used. My best guess is they weren't, well we didn't get Allen so get Kroft. I think they'll find a blocking TE for the roll they investigated Allen for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Hes considered a solid run blocker which is a plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Better than average run blocker, soft hands, smooth route runner, knows where he is on the field and where he has to go AND plays on every Special Teams unit. What’s not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: It’s like overpaying for a slower Scott chandler. I loved Scott Chandler. His snow shovel TD celebration is still one of my favs.. ? Clay was supposed to be an upgrade, but we never saw it unfortunately.. edit: Kroft also had a faster 40 coming out of college then Chandler btw Edited March 12, 2019 by badassgixxer05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The way this is structured it's a good deal. Seems pretty clear we'll be adding a Day 2 TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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