Doc Brown Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's why my point on Watkins was: if the team wants to move on, why not trade him in FA or early in trading camp, and make a push to sign a quality WR? There weren't many quality WR's available via free agency. Beane wasn't even here until after the draft and we did sign Boldin (who of course retired) after failing to land Maclin. It's not like we didn't at least try to address it like it seemed this previous offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 hours ago, mjt328 said: I have the same question. If the Bills kept him on the roster for 4 more games, Kelvin Benjamin becomes an unrestricted free agent. Assuming he signs a decent contract (not sure how likely that is), it factors into the compensatory pick formula. They’ll add more than they lose next offseason.. These cuts mean nothing for comp picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: And exactly how did they spend more in releasing them? I don't know I assume the writer worked out how it comes down that way but that's still the point he was trying to make. 3 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Moot point though since it the money doesnt matter. That seems to be how the Bills felt the additional cost wasn't worth more than the reps to the guys they might actually want to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I mean it is possible he gets pissed because of this and plays better for someone else because he sure wasn't playing with any emotion here. My point is that even if he gets pissed and tries to play better for someone else, it very well may not happen. Why? Because he's been dogging it here so long, it has become a habit. Once something becomes a habit, it's hard to break with the best will in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: My point is that even if he gets pissed and tries to play better for someone else, it very well may not happen. Why? Because he's been dogging it here so long, it has become a habit. Once something becomes a habit, it's hard to break with the best will in the world. Oh for sure I just meant he might briefly play better for someone else odds are whatever it is that makes him think it's okay to play lazy will come up again and he'll be right back to pissing off some new fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Why do I feel like KB had more drops than catches? Oh oh that’s right because he was useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, stevewin said: It's kind of crazy that Beane/McD didn't foresee issues - they should have known him better than anyone. Maybe they knew of some stuff but thought they could get him to play, change of scenery etc. Don't think anyone could have foreseen the total checkout that occurred though - I've never seen anything like it. Just crazy I think he just lost his will to compete. Not sure if he has some personal issues that he's dealing with, maybe he's battling depression and feels lost and just can't make himself care about football right now. Maybe the money was his primary motivation to play football and he thought he had enough and was set for life and didn't want to risk his health anymore, ala Albert Haynesworth. Who knows what the real reason is? What's clear to everyone is that we didn't get the same KB that played in Carolina. I'm glad the Bills finally moved on. Edited December 5, 2018 by Inigo Montoya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They were with this guy when he showed up looking like a o linemen in Carolina. Yet, they traded a draft pick for him and started him for basically a full season. Carolina fans universally hated the trade. I know because I visited their forum immediately after to see their reaction. I mean they HATED that trade. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I read there. He was never elite by any means but he was young and showed potential. For some reason he completely gave up after the trade. I don't know what the hell happened. Better to cut our losses and move on. WR will be a huge priority this offseason and they know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 About freaking time! It feels like the Bills finally got that plantar wart removed from their heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They were with the lazy worker in Carolina and then brought him to Buffalo. They saw a chance to help a guy get re-born while trying to instill a new culture. It didn't work out. They cut bait. Some choose to judge people based on their mistakes. Other choose to judge people based on how they react to their mistakes. You can tell much more by the latter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Carolina fans universally hated the trade. I know because I visited their forum immediately after to see their reaction. I mean they HATED that trade. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I read there. He was never elite by any means but he was young and showed potential. For some reason he completely gave up after the trade. I don't know what the hell happened. Better to cut our losses and move on. WR will be a huge priority this offseason and they know that. Cam Newton won the MVP and they went to the SM the year he didn’t play a game. They traded him in the middle of playoff race. The Carolina fans I knew thought he was a fat bum and they were better without him. jordan Matthews kelvin Benjamin trading up for Zay Jones instead of taking JuJu or Kupp corey Coleman 2 undersized slot wrs in this year’s draft they are dreadful with receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Carolina fans I knew thought he was a fat bum and they were better without him. That's great for the fans you know. I'm telling you Carolina fans almost across the board hated Marty Hurney for that trade. Their Kelvin Benjamin thread on the Panthers forum was as long as ours was here, and as much as we liked it their fans hated it even more. So did Cam Newton for that matter. Why Benjamin turned into a worthless player both on and off the field, I couldn't tell you. Zay has been their worst draft pick so far. They'll have a chance to rectify it next year. Criticizing players that they used a 6th and two 7ths on is nonsense, and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Goodnight, Sweet Prince 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Good riddance, tired of seeing good opportunities wasted on that bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Cam Newton won the MVP and they went to the SM the year he didn’t play a game. They traded him in the middle of playoff race. The Carolina fans I knew thought he was a fat bum and they were better without him. jordan Matthews kelvin Benjamin trading up for Zay Jones instead of taking JuJu or Kupp corey Coleman 2 undersized slot wrs in this year’s draft they are dreadful with receivers. Zones seems to be turning the corner, but the Bills have struggled finding good receivers for years. Even as talented as Watson was, he was Mr. Glass and hurt all the time. The Bills FO should just admit defeat, and pay someone to get a look at Green Bay's or the Vikings WR draft board - they seem to have a clue about how to go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I love this move. This FO and coaching staff have zero tolerance for lazy players that put in no effort on the field. They did it with Darius and now this poor excuse for a WR, good for them. Buy in or ship out, message sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They were with this guy when he showed up looking like a o linemen in Carolina. Yet, they traded a draft pick for him and started him for basically a full season. Carolina was happy for someone else to inherit Kelvin. Along with the cap hit and despite being overweight. So, many guys were picked up for the process with Trent Murphy being moved around as Love gets promoted. It was the wrong direction to go and speaking from a public relations perspective all of the morale victories are not painting a winning record. Next season Murphy who has bounced around on IR and had blown his own gap calls and assignments may not come back. It’s the little cap hits which lead to the bigger hits coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I’m the first to B word about poor game or roster management, so it’s only fair to give props for moves that I think are solid. Nice work Mr Beane! Let’s see what Ray Ray can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) Credit McBeane for cutting KB (though it should have been sooner) but let’s not forget what it cost us to get him ... and it’s not like they didn’t know the player. FWIW. Edited December 5, 2018 by biggerdaddynj Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Let me add some props for ditching Andre "illegal block in the back" Holmes. If he's a core special teams player, not getting penalized on returns would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said: Credit McBeane for cutting KB (though it should have been sooner) but let’s not forget what it cost us to get him ... and it’s not like they didn’t know the player. FWIW. A lot of these guys they brought in like KB and Trent Murphy they are now having severe buyers remorse on. When you read how his gaps, assignments, reads, and stunts got manhandled it doesn’t give one confidence with Love being promoted it means that we keep Murphy as a big body and perhaps transition it to DT just to clog running lanes but even that is a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: No. May not have gotten one regardless because it depends on the type of contract he would have signed in FA, and whether or not we had a net loss of FAs With our cap space we aren’t going to net a loss - it’s incredibly unlikely to effect it honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: They saw a chance to help a guy get re-born while trying to instill a new culture. It didn't work out. They cut bait. Some choose to judge people based on their mistakes. Other choose to judge people based on how they react to their mistakes. You can tell much more by the latter. McDermott's trim the fat comment after the Phins game was a pretty big hint that the KB move was possible. As you stated so well LA, I like the fact that McDermott and Beane were willing to absorb the Vic Carruci and others criticism and cut bait. This tells me that Team >> Their own egos. I like that trait because personnel mistakes are going to be inevitable. For every Taron Johnson there will be a KB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I love, love, LOVED McDermotts comment "we need to trim the fat off that route" i was literally rolling on the floor laughing. Then 2 days later hes canned. LOVE IT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: I love, love, LOVED McDermotts comment "we need to trim the fat off that route" i was literally rolling on the floor laughing. Then 2 days later hes canned. LOVE IT! Apparently, he WAS the fat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said: A lot of these guys they brought in like KB and Trent Murphy they are now having severe buyers remorse on. When you read how his gaps, assignments, reads, and stunts got manhandled it doesn’t give one confidence with Love being promoted it means that we keep Murphy as a big body and perhaps transition it to DT just to clog running lanes but even that is a stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Exactly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, tcampbell104 said: i dont think they would get any comp picks anyway if go after all the free agents they need Most likely not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 We already have 10 picks and 90 million in cap space.....chances are we get none with the free agents we are gonna sign anyway. THe best way to get extra picks at this point is to trade down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 ק Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 This guy has 17 less receptions and 200 yards less than Sammy Watkins this season. That's really, really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Green Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Especially considering that they were willing to move Dareus last season, I'm somewhat relieved to see this move. It's surprising and overdue at the same time. Benjamin was bad and clearly disinterested, vocally uninterested even. However you want to say he wasn't interested, he wasn't lol Benjamin, Boldin... this regime has had a couple of big whiffs at evaluating WRs. What is exciting is that Foster has wide open field in front of him here, he very well could be WR1 going into next season. That's more of a prediction than an endorsement, although I do like his game for the most part as he's been gelling with Allen. He has much more upside than Benjamin does, anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Cam Newton won the MVP and they went to the SM the year he didn’t play a game. They traded him in the middle of playoff race. The Carolina fans I knew thought he was a fat bum and they were better without him. jordan Matthews kelvin Benjamin trading up for Zay Jones instead of taking JuJu or Kupp corey Coleman 2 undersized slot wrs in this year’s draft they are dreadful with receivers. Corey was picked up by the Patriots. Dreadful Patriots. Matthews caught a key TD for Philly the other night, Dreadful Eagles. Zay Jones is on fire in his second year. Dreadful Bills. But other than that, you TOTALLY nailed it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 7 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Comp picks only come in to play if you have a net loss in free agency, we are not going to have a net loss so I'm good with it. KB was absolutely terrible and deserves the shame of getting cut in the middle of the season. Keeping Benjamin would have meant one more loss of a free agent. Cutting him lowers the number for FAs lost. Also, fifth year option contracts are guaranteed, or at least they are if the guy is still on the roster when the league year starts, and that was months ago. So we don't save any money by cutting him. His salary will still be paid and will go into our official dead cap totals ($68 mill now, Holy Cow!!). So there's a disadvantage to cutting him and no advantage in terms of saved money. What this seems to mean is that they just did not want the guy on this roster. They wanted to get rid of him badly. Very interesting. It sends a message to the locker room, but more, it simply gets Benjamin himself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) I think releasing both of these guys means we're going big for WR in the offseason. We can't go with Zay at #1. He's a fantastic #2. I think we are gonna make a big trade at the position. If they are really sold on Allen they have to. Not to mention next year is year 3 for Beane and McDermott. They know next year is the year to really get this team to start contending Edited December 5, 2018 by Buffalo03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Monty Green said: Especially considering that they were willing to move Dareus last season, I'm somewhat relieved to see this move. It's surprising and overdue at the same time. Benjamin was bad and clearly disinterested, vocally uninterested even. However you want to say he wasn't interested, he wasn't lol Benjamin, Boldin... this regime has had a couple of big whiffs at evaluating WRs. What is exciting is that Foster has wide open field in front of him here, he very well could be WR1 going into next season. That's more of a prediction than an endorsement, although I do like his game for the most part as he's been gelling with Allen. He has much more upside than Benjamin does, anyway Boldin retired. And they didn't lose a dollar on him. No fault falls on the Bills for that evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think releasing both of these guys means we're going big for WR in the offseason. We can't go with Zay at #1. He's a fantastic #2. I think we are gonna make a big trade at the position. If they are really sold on Allen they have to. Not to mention next year is year 3 for Beane and McDermott. They know next year is the year to really get this team to start contending The problem is are we going to get a guy looking to be the #1 receiver or a guy looking to get paid. It's likely going to happen. I'm sure WR's around the league are noticing Allen's abilities to throw the ball where guys need to work for it so I'm sure they will be able to find the guys they need to help him. As long as they please fix the OLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: This guy has 17 less receptions and 200 yards less than Sammy Watkins this season. That's really, really bad. I don't know if that's more embarrassing for Benjamin or Watkins 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrly Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Call me crazy but I would not have cut him. Guaranteed salary is one reason. I’d have made him sit the bench. No one would have signed him next year so you could sign him to a very low heavily performance laden contract. In doing so you could throw him out there as a decoy on certain routes even if he sucks they’ll still cover him. Now someone can try him out for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, Monty Green said: Especially considering that they were willing to move Dareus last season, I'm somewhat relieved to see this move. It's surprising and overdue at the same time. Benjamin was bad and clearly disinterested, vocally uninterested even. However you want to say he wasn't interested, he wasn't lol Benjamin, Boldin... this regime has had a couple of big whiffs at evaluating WRs. What is exciting is that Foster has wide open field in front of him here, he very well could be WR1 going into next season. That's more of a prediction than an endorsement, although I do like his game for the most part as he's been gelling with Allen. He has much more upside than Benjamin does, anyway I see Foster being Goodwin. I see Zay being Robert. We just have to find a legit #1. I love Marquise Brown but who knows? And finally a TE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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