K-9 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But...why now? I mean, why even bother? It's not like they need the roster spots. To look at other players in an expanded role. He’s no longer taking up valuable practice reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Jolla Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Genius’s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said: Benjamin, a first-round pick of the Panthers in 2014, was in the final season of his rookie contract and was scheduled for unrestricted free agency in March. Any team claiming Benjamin off waivers would owe him the remaining portion of his $8.5 million base salary this season. If he is not claimed off waivers, the Bills would owe Benjamin the remainder of his fully guaranteed salary.- Per ESPN Don’t give McBeane to much credit; as we could have benched him and let him go as an unrestricted free agent. Ummm...so we could have kept his useless behind on the roster taking up space and paying him to do so, or we could cut bait like we did, free up the roster spot/reps to a more deserving talent, and possibly still have to pay balance of this K for this season IF no one else takes a flyer on him in the meantime. Where are we not supposed to give credit for cleaning up this flotsam again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: That don't catch.... or block, or run hard. Or anything really 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: To look at other players in an expanded role. He’s no longer taking up valuable practice reps. deep fried Snacks from the cafeteria 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, K-9 said: To look at other players in an expanded role. He’s no longer taking up valuable practice reps. And to add to that CB and DL would have been two positions looked at in the draft next year. If these guys look like they were worth hanging on to even in developmental roles this would allow the Bills to look at other positions presumably in rounds 4-7 next year. If these guys project to be starters or key reserves in the second half of next season then that may even affect plans with our 2019 3rd round pick. Edited December 5, 2018 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Joeziehmer said: We just ate his contract in a tight cap year. We were eating his contract either way. It's irrelevant - it was the last year of his contract. Best case is someone grabs him off waivers - no idea who, no one needs a lukewarm body at WR that badly - and the Bills are off the hook for about $2M this year, when it doesn't make any difference. 11 minutes ago, Dante said: Maybe seeing what they have in house is better than having a crappy attitude on the team. Even if those in house guys are from the practice squad. Which players in-house? They could just inactivate KB and Holmes and get the same effect if they wanted to look at players on the roster. And on the practice squad...they only have one WR, and they already had an open roster spot with Bodine going on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Plenty of positives to take away from this move . But some prefer to see the negatives , which were also true 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: We were eating his contract either way. It's irrelevant - it was the last year of his contract. Best case is someone grabs him off waivers - no idea who, no one needs a lukewarm body at WR that badly - and the Bills are off the hook for about $2M this year, when it doesn't make any difference. Which players in-house? They could just inactivate KB and Holmes and get the same effect if they wanted to look at players on the roster. And on the practice squad...they only have one WR, and they already had an open roster spot with Bodine going on IR. Cam Phillips for one : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Maybe the lesson is if a good team's willing to trade a supposedly good player you shouldn't trade for said player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 With 80 million in cap space the bills are not likely to get any comp picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 It was a risk but was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But...why now? I mean, why even bother? It's not like they need the roster spots. Because He's An Idiot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said: We just ate his contract in a tight cap year. technically we only ate the 25% of games not yet played this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, KW95 said: Are we gonna hash this again? Apparently so 42 minutes ago, KW95 said: here we go: watkins was injured and a prima donna admitted by himself two years in a row Fine, so trade him in the off-season or at the start of training camp AND bring in a suitable replacement. Don't wait until just before the season and "replace" him with a JAG Or maybe, I don't know, have coaches who could learn to work with and be an inspirational leader to NFL-level talent who aren't buying in? 42 minutes ago, KW95 said: Glass Goodwin was injured with slightest contact, Goodwin's 2016 game logs with the Bills: Now I'll admit, he doesn't look stellar as a WR, but he wasn't breaking with the slightest contact either, once he abandoned the need to exit the season in top shape for his hoped-for Olympic career. 42 minutes ago, KW95 said: Hogan is Just another Jag, and finally, Woods, I must admit I was wrong. Hogan was allowed to leave prior to 2016 season. JAG or not, Beane and McDermott have no responsibility for him leaving or staying. If you put the "I was wrong" a couple guys earlier, that'd work OK Whether or not McBeane wanted to put on a push to keep these guys, it has to be acknowledged that letting them walk/trading Watkins and trying to replace them with Jordan Matthews, Andre' Holmes, Deonte' Thompson, Anquan Boldin, and Kelvin Benjamin was not exactly inspired NFL roster management at the position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Cam Phillips for one : ) That would be the "They only have one WR on the practice squad" they didn't need to open a roster spot for because Bodine's on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Whether or not McBeane wanted to put on a push to keep these guys, it has to be acknowledged that letting them walk/trading Watkins and trying to replace them with Jordan Matthews, Andre' Holmes, Deonte' Thompson, Anquan Boldin, and Kelvin Benjamin was not exactly inspired NFL roster management at the position. Nothing against you or your post personally, but I’ve never liked the term “letting them walk” when it comes to UFAs. Once they played out their contracts, the players were in total control of their futures. We simply weren’t in a position to “let” them do anything. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Maybe the lesson is if a good team's willing to trade a supposedly good player you shouldn't trade for said player. Eh. Sometimes guys benefit from a fresh start. Sometimes they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Does this imply signing a couple guys who are sitting on their couches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I bet Kyle had something to do with KB. Coach asked him his thoughts. I feel so free with him gone, like quitting a job you hate. Holmes... indifferent really. KB gone is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Apparently so Fine, so trade him in the off-season or at the start of training camp AND bring in a suitable replacement. Don't wait until just before the season and "replace" him with a JAG Or maybe, I don't know, have coaches who could learn to work with and be an inspirational leader to NFL-level talent who aren't buying in? Goodwin's 2016 game logs with the Bills: Now I'll admit, he doesn't look stellar as a WR, but he wasn't breaking with the slightest contact either, once he abandoned the need to exit the season in top shape for his hoped-for Olympic career. Hogan was allowed to leave prior to 2016 season. JAG or not, Beane and McDermott have no responsibility for him leaving or staying. If you put the "I was wrong" a couple guys earlier, that'd work OK Whether or not McBeane wanted to put on a push to keep these guys, it has to be acknowledged that letting them walk/trading Watkins and trying to replace them with Jordan Matthews, Andre' Holmes, Deonte' Thompson, Anquan Boldin, and Kelvin Benjamin was not exactly inspired NFL roster management at the position. I agree that letting woods walk was problematic. I also think Goodwin was underutilized and would have been nice to keep. Can't say I am with you on Watkins though. He really hasn't done anything to prove himself more than a highly paid, highly talented JAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Nothing against you or your post personally, but I’ve never liked the term “letting them walk” when it comes to UFAs. Once they played out their contracts, the players were in total control of their futures. We simply weren’t in a position to “let” them do anything. Or not. Point granted, but will you grant the counter-point that if one values a player, a team re-negotiates before the player plays out his contract? If he gets the point where he's played out his contract and reaches FA, the team has effectively "let him walk" I do see your point though, that it's imprecise language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I love the move. We have a lot of speed at WR right now. I like what we have at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I agree that letting woods walk was problematic. I also think Goodwin was underutilized and would have been nice to keep. Can't say I am with you on Watkins though. He really hasn't done anything to prove himself more than a highly paid, highly talented JAG. That's why my point on Watkins was: if the team wants to move on, why not trade him in FA or early in trading camp, and make a push to sign a quality WR? Just now, wppete said: I love the move. We have a lot of speed at WR right now. I like what we have at WR. Speed kills, but only if they haul in the pigskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's why my point on Watkins was: if the team wants to move on, why not trade him in FA or early in trading camp, and make a push to sign a quality WR? Great question. I think that was mismanaged. I mean... We did have Zay Jones and eventually Jordan Matthews... So... We're kinda a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Message sent 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well OK then but who are we putting on the field? This was a move to the future- clearly out of playoff mix now. Time to kick the tires on the new guys. KB and Holmes arent part of next years plan anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Point granted, but will you grant the counter-point that if one values a player, a team re-negotiates before the player plays out his contract? If he gets the point where he's played out his contract and reaches FA, the team has effectively "let him walk" I do see your point though, that it's imprecise language Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I can see the conversation that lead to Andre Holmes release right now McDermott addressing the team: “Does anyone here believe Kelvin deserves to be on this team?” <Holmes raises his hand to support his fellow receiver> McDermott: “OK, Benjamin and Holmes are both released. Does anyone else believe Benjamin deserves to be on this team?” <crickets> 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said: We just ate his contract at $8.5 Million for this year. Ugh......come on man....your posts are down right painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I can see the conversation that lead to Andre Holmes release right now McDermott addressing the team: “Does anyone here believe Kelvin deserves to be on this team?” <Holmes raises his hand to support his fellow receiver> McDermott: “OK, Benjamin and Holmes are both released. Does anyone else believe Benjamin deserves to be on this team?” <crickets> Clay tried to raise his hands but couldn't remember how to use them... Edited December 5, 2018 by whatdrought 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Great question. I think that was mismanaged. I mean... We did have Zay Jones and eventually Jordan Matthews... So... We're kinda a big deal. Zay seems to be coming along nicely. And no one can complain about lack of hustle. If only he doesn't strip off and break windows for Jesus in future offseasons. The whole Jordan Matthews etc thing just has me jittery about our ability to scout offensive talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Zay seems to be coming along nicely. And no one can complain about lack of hustle. If only he doesn't strip off and break windows for Jesus in future offseasons. The whole Jordan Matthews etc thing just has me jittery about our ability to scout offensive talent. Matthews value was definitely overestimated. I feel like if he had been healthy he could have been a nice possession guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That would be the "They only have one WR on the practice squad" they didn't need to open a roster spot for because Bodine's on IR. well they brought Mike Love back up as well. : ) he made some plays rotating in when Murphy was ailing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Holy ****!!! I took a nap and woke up to this. I thought i was still dreaming when i read the thread title. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Zay seems to be coming along nicely. And no one can complain about lack of hustle. If only he doesn't strip off and break windows for Jesus in future offseasons. The whole Jordan Matthews etc thing just has me jittery about our ability to scout offensive talent. Both points are valid. i have concerns about scouting WRs and Offense in general at this point. Certainly not a hater. just concerns. Btw Jones is turning my opinion 180 degrees. all hustle and looking smarter on his routes. I hope i was wrong again : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: KB can get back to a playoff contender in need of a slot tight end. KB won't catch if he knows he'll get hit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Matthews value was definitely overestimated. I feel like if he had been healthy he could have been a nice possession guy. we had 4 possession receivers at that point. 4 slot receivers if you will. Beane and McD need to take some advice from Daboll moving forward. Dennison was a nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) Any doubt we are completely overhauling this offense went out the window I’m just surprised Charles Clay still is employed but probably not for long Edited December 5, 2018 by 78thealltimegreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Get a clue Omar! They won't be, but it kind of makes me wish that they still be in contention and needing a win coming to Buffalo on 12/30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 ✌️ dough boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well OK then but who are we putting on the field? I would rather they put anyone on the field. Even a terrible athlete that tries hard is better than someone like Benjamin who collects a check and dogs it all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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