BuffaloBillies Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Big C said: We already have a ton of cap space and 10 picks next year. Only 3 picks in first 3 rounds though. Can never have enough picks. Sell down and amass more picks or bundle picks to move up. That's what's meant by draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Big C said: Would prefer to keep McCoy because we are competitive but a 2nd and 3rd isn't bad. As I said before, let the next two games play out. We could be 4-3 with two winnable matchups. We already have a ton of cap space and 10 picks next year. competitive for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chemical said: We were fine without him against MIN thats true. i do think that game is more of an example of the exception to the rule though. defense played out of their minds and put the offense in great position throughout the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The Eagles are not trading anybody that is on par with McCoy. If the rumor is true I still wish Beane had waited to open with a bid to see if a sub-package could have been done with perhaps one of our defensive depth guys for WR Matthews. I have no idea what the Eagles could offer because I don't have the knowledge of them like I do with the Bills. Maybe someone not on par with McCoy talent wise, but maybe someone younger and above average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: To consider... Despite early season issues, Eagles are very likely to win NFC East and into playoffs. So... any pick we might get will very likely be a bottom of the round pick. Big difference picking 1st in round 2 vs last in round 2 (for instance). If they lost in first round after lucking into the playoff, they'd likely not be that close to the bottom of the round (21st or 22nd, like us this year)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: competitive for what? We're 2-3 and only 1 game away from the top of the AFC East. Technically speaking. Edit: Sorry 2 games I guesss, but we've yet to play any division rivals. My point is we are competing. Edited October 9, 2018 by ChronicAndKnuckles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Chemical said: competitive for what? We could be 3-3 by the end of this coming Sunday with the easier portion of our schedule ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Do it ! Shady is great but rather have futures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: No way we get a 2nd and a 3rd for him. I would take a 3rd and a starter on their OL 2nd OR 3rd rounder, unless I’m misunderstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said: We're 2-3 and only 1 game away from the top of the AFC East. Technically speaking. And all our games have been against teams coming off a winning record last year, three were on the road, and the two wins were against 2017-18 playoff teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said: We're 2-3 and only 1 game away from the top of the AFC East. Technically speaking. yeah but come on. We broke the drought. Super Bowl is all I care about now. That's not happening. The pick(s) we could get could be on a future super bowl contending online or WR corps. McCoy will be retired. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I would take nothing less than a 2019 #2. The chances of a pick taken in the early-mid 90s being a difference maker are low - and a lot lower than the chances of McCoy being a difference maker for Buffalo in 2018 and 2019. Bear in mind that despite all of the happy talk re McBeane, they can't really have back-to-back bad seasons. If the Bills are bad or ho-hum next year, they pressure will be on. They need to take a big step forward next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 How about Foles for Shady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: We could be 3-3 by the end of this coming Sunday with the easier portion of our schedule ahead. ?? Three of their next 5 games after Sunday are against Chicago, NE, and Jax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 If you don't want a 3rd for Shady, you don't understand what we're trying to build. A 4th or later is when you can start to complain. A 3rd would be extremely strong value for a 30 year old running back with an expensive contract. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Shady for Alshon Jefferey and you have a deal. Let's talk serious business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, liverpoolkev said: I see you have me confused with your kids .....MCD caused the limited talent by shipping the playmakers out and their inability to judge talent ( Tolbert, KB, Ducasse, ZAY, and his love for washed up Carolina players. Just because you like to keep your head in the sand that's up to you I see you have yourself confused with a Bills player if you think you knows what goes on in their locker room. You're a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, thurst44 said: And all our games have been against teams coming off a winning record last year, three were on the road, and the two wins were against 2017-18 playoff teams. Exactly. People want to be pessimists, but why not be optimistic? We are coming off a playoff season with an upgraded defense and slightly downgraded offense, but with an improving talented QB. The whole AFC is tight right now and it's still early into the season. As I remember we got blown out a couple times last year too. Why can't I be excited? Why does it HAVE to be a rebuild? Edited October 9, 2018 by ChronicAndKnuckles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Good point by tasker on radio ... wait until right before the deadline and decide. Play the MNF game, see where you are at, if the deal is good then maybe you pull the trigger if you are 2-6. I think the Eagles want Mr Right at RB, but they want him Right Now or they'll move on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, PIZ said: Besides picks or a pick, what would they have to offer? OG? C? WR? Maybe McDermott needs another DT?!?!?!? Chance Warmack? Lane Johnson? Just pulling names off the top of my head. Don't think they have any WR worthwhile sadly. Not sure we could afford Alshon - depends on how the contracts play out if there were a trade. Edited October 9, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the Eagles want Mr Right at RB, but they want him Right Now or they'll move on You are correct, the Eagles don't have the luxury of waiting. When you get to the deadline that is where you look at Hughes and everyone else IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chemical said: yeah but come on. We broke the drought. Super Bowl is all I care about now. That's not happening. The pick(s) we could get could be on a future super bowl contending online or WR corps. McCoy will be retired. How about a winning culture? Perennial playoff teams can attract free agents and at cheaper prices too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Eagles need to make the move asap. Before the season spirals further out of control. Tough spot for the Bills, I'd hold out for the 2nd. Is there any decent wrs we can trade a pick to obtain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: Let him go for a 1st or 2nd There is no way we get a 1st but if we get a 2nd then make that trade right away. Don’t want to see McCoy go but that trade makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rigotz said: If you don't want a 3rd for Shady, you don't understand what we're trying to build. A 4th or later is when you can start to complain. A 3rd would be extremely strong value for a 30 year old running back with an expensive contract. A) His contract is actually quite reasonable. B) look at the 3rd round picks from last year and remember that Philly is still the odds on favorite to win that division meaning they'll draft no higher than 25th, which translates into picks 89-96 in round 3. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/draft.htm Shaq Griffin and John Johnson are decent-to-good starters (both late 3rd rounders), but outside of Kareem Hunt (mid-3rd) and Alvin Kamara (early 3rd), there ain't much. My point is that the chances of the Bills striking gold in the third - or, more importantly, getting a player who will contribute more to the Bills than McCoy will the 27 games - is pretty low. Edited October 9, 2018 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) On draft day, everyone points to "the chart" to determine trade values. Is there any such "chart" for trading top RB talent mid-season? Or is this just all "value feel" and negotiation between two clubs? Edited October 9, 2018 by BuffaloBillies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the Eagles want Mr Right at RB, but they want him Right Now or they'll move on That’s a game the Bills are more than willing to play since they aren’t the ones pursuing the trade. If eagles are still on line 1 on Oct 30, then you consider. If not, worst case scenario is you kept the guy you wanted to keep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: You are correct, the Eagles don't have the luxury of waiting. When you get to the deadline that is where you look at Hughes and everyone else IMO. Count me out on the wanting to unload Hughes train. The guy has a year left on his contract after this season and he is balling. Our defense looks good right now and we have the foundation for the future with White, Edmunds etc. In my opinion we need to hold onto Hughes and try to find some pass rushing talent in a deep draft for that to take over for Hughes in a couple of years. I wouldn't even mind adding a year to Hughes contract if he was interested. If we trade Hughes not only do I think our defense suffers the rest of this season, but I think it could significantly hurt the defense next season as well. Next season the Bills should be contenders to make the playoffs and trading Hughes would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I would need someone like Nelson Agholor and a 3rd to even think about it. He's a good rookie that's done good things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) I’m not trading our captain for a 3rd round pick. Shady has been a role model teammate and we finally gave him touches last week and he finally started to get into rhythm of corse he isn’t going to look good with 6 touches a game. He needs to feel the game out Edited October 9, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: I would need someone like Nelson Agholor and a 3rd to even think about it. He's a good rookie that's done good things. Agholor is in his 3rd year I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Agholor is in his 3rd year I thought thats either correct or close, he is def not a rookie for sure. Had him on my ff team his rookie year and was a huge disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: How about Foles for Shady? Edited October 9, 2018 by nucci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Mother #&^*&##@@!!!! If they make this trade I hope they do it after the game this Sunday... it will really suck to have dropped a bunch of cash traveling to Houston to watch a demoralized team rack up less than 100 yds total on offense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Count me out on the wanting to unload Hughes train. The guy has a year left on his contract after this season and he is balling. Our defense looks good right now and we have the foundation for the future with White, Edmunds etc. In my opinion we need to hold onto Hughes and try to find some pass rushing talent in a deep draft for that to take over for Hughes in a couple of years. I wouldn't even mind adding a year to Hughes contract if he was interested. If we trade Hughes not only do I think our defense suffers the rest of this season, but I think it could significantly hurt the defense next season as well. Next season the Bills should be contenders to make the playoffs and trading Hughes would be a mistake. I don't want to derail this thread, but was just saying if things look bleak (which they should) come the trade deadline, that is where you look to sell - Hughes was simply an example of an aging player that we might be able to get some value out of it. Whether we should or not is another thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, DFT said: If Beane got a 3rd for Tyrod, we should expect a 2nd for Lesean, in my opinion. Different scenarios though. Even though Mccoy is a way better football player than Tyrod 1. Tyrod is younger and way younger relative to their positions 2. QB is way more valued than a RB 3. RBs with high mileage and over 30 With a high cap hit are not worth a lot at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I say push hard for a second, but let him go, he deserves a shot at a superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Agholor is in his 3rd year I thought Correct, I meant to write that he was on his rookie deal. Class of 2015 I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, transient said: it will really suck to have dropped a bunch of cash to watch a demoralized team rack up less than 100 yds total on offense. Welcome to the last like 15 years of my season tickets. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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