McDermott not pleased with WRs in practice

[Magox]

People are still claiming that the Watkins trade was a bad thing???  

[Seasons1992]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Who's paycheck do you want? Or will wings and beer do?

 

I would work much harder for wings and beer. I want a growler from Gene McCarthy’s of their rotating tap, and wings from Gabriel’s Gate (hot.) 

 I will sign a waiver from the NFL to just let me get killed and I won’t sue. Just one game.

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

People are still claiming that the Watkins trade was a bad thing???  

You mean the four 1st round picks Whaley gave away to get him or the 2nd round pick we received to unload him?

[Kirby Jackson]

31 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

They couda, woulda , shoulda, hindsight is 2020 as far as Ju-Ju is concerned and you still don't know if Zay may be better in the long run . As far as Watkins is concerned , he wasn't going to sign with the Bills  and neither was Woods. Goodwin we never got a chance to see his potential as he was continually injured. They also were under the duress of having a QB who couldn't or wouldn't throw to them . This is only the second year of the McBeane regime so I think there should be some sense of  timeliness  before we go running amok.

 

Each decision is judged on its own merit. They have done some things well. They’ve failed miserably when it comes to adding receivers. They don’t get credit for the good and a free pass for the bad. 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Why do people want Dez so bad? If he was that good don't you think a team like the Patriots would've snatched him right up? Cleveland didn't even want him. He's not gonna be a difference maker for this team 

They want another player that might retire on them.

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, blacklabel said:

 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard, "...and catch the f*ckin ball!"

Man, he is going to have to go to confession for that

[JoeF]

3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Man, he is going to have to go to confession for that

McD:  Bless me, father, for I have sinned.  I dropped an F-Bomb on one of our receivers.

 

Buffalo Priest not accused of any sex crime (the one or two left ??)  Coach, I have seen your receiving corps.  Your penance is to drop 1000 more F-bombs on them.

Edited September 27, 2018 by JoeF

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Each decision is judged on their own merits. They have done some things well. They’ve failed miserably when it comes to adding receivers. They don’t get credit for the good and a free pass for the bad. 

That’s a millennial argument. “We should have taken Orakpo instead of...”. “We should have taken Gronkowski instead of....”. Maybe “We should have taken Russ Wilson instead of TJ Graham”.  There is no immediate fix if you see the big picture. I want an Oompa Loompa Now!!!! You know what happened to that girl? She turned into a big blueberry. Patience. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s a millennial argument. “We should have taken Orakpo instead of...”. “We should have taken Gronkowski instead of....”. Maybe “We should have taken Russ Wilson instead of TJ Graham”.  There is no immediate fix if you see the big picture. I want an Oompa Loompa Now!!!! You know what happened to that girl? She turned into a big blueberry. Patience. 

I’m not asking them to hit 100% on the receivers. I think it’s reasonable to expect more than zero. Every single receiver move has failed. Benjamin wasn’t worth a 3rd. Zay wasn’t worth the 2nd. Clay wasn’t worth Seymour. Holmes wasn’t worth his contract. Philly Brown wasn’t either. The same goes for Kerley. The Coleman trade was a bust. Etc...

 

Every single decision that they have made regarding thee receivers has been a bad one. They don’t get a free pass for that. They have picked the wrong guys, signed the wrong guys and traded for the wrong guys. That’s not good. 

 

It’s not like other positions, like LB, where there’s been some good and bad. Milano looks like a great pick. Vallejo was not. They get a break for stuff like that. They don’t get a pass for failing with the WR position. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

3 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Top five have a combined record of 8-7 

Bottom five: 6-7-2

 

It's not that much of a difference. 

 

Actually that's the difference between a playoff team and average Joe's 

28 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s a millennial argument. “We should have taken Orakpo instead of...”. “We should have taken Gronkowski instead of....”. Maybe “We should have taken Russ Wilson instead of TJ Graham”.  There is no immediate fix if you see the big picture. I want an Oompa Loompa Now!!!! You know what happened to that girl? She turned into a big blueberry. Patience. 

 

 

Millennial argument? As if an entire generation can be summed up by a single comment. God the over generalization is annoying. Let me help you out: 

 

We live at home, have no motivation, swimming in debt, zero accountability, super entitled, blah blah blah. 

 

Not to take it out on you but it I hate hearing the stereotype.

[BringBackFergy]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not asking them to hit 100% on the receivers. I think it’s reasonable to expect more than zero. Every single receiver move has failed. Benjamin wasn’t worth a 3rd. Zay wasn’t worth the 2nd. Clay wasn’t worth Seymour. Holmes wasn’t worth his contract. Philly Brown wasn’t either. The same goes for Kerley. The Coleman trade was a bust. Etc...

 

Every single decision that they have made regarding thee receivers has been a bad one. They don’t get a free pass for that. They have picked the wrong guys, signed the wrong guys and traded for the wrong guys. That’s not good. 

 

It’s not like other positions, like LB, where there’s been some good and bad. Milano looks like a great pick. Vallejo was not. They get a break for stuff like that. They don’t get a pass for failing with the WR position. 

I get it. 

[BillsVet]

I'm shocked there's only been one post in this entire thread mentioning the name Dez Bryant.  Figured there'd be at least 5.  

 

That said, the WR's are underperforming, namely the no-effort Benjamin and Mr. Invisible, Zay Jones. 

[BringBackFergy]

6 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Actually that's the difference between a playoff team and average Joe's 

 

 

Millennial argument? As if an entire generation can be summed up by a single comment. God the over generalization is annoying. Let me help you out: 

 

We live at home, have no motivation, swimming in debt, zero accountability, super entitled, blah blah blah. 

 

Not to take it out on you but it I hate hearing the stereotype.

Success takes time...doesn’t happen overnight (or in one season). Sorry for the over generalization. Wait! Why the hell am I apologizing? Oh that’s right...I have to nowadays. Sorry. Oh ****...I did it again. 

[Richard Noggin]

10 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Actually that's the difference between a playoff team and average Joe's 

 

 

Millennial argument? As if an entire generation can be summed up by a single comment. God the over generalization is annoying. Let me help you out: 

 

We live at home, have no motivation, swimming in debt, zero accountability, super entitled, blah blah blah. 

 

Not to take it out on you but it I hate hearing the stereotype.

Should he have added: hypersensitive on social media?

[DisplacedBillsFan]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Weird that *NE already let this practice footage leak out to others.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Man, he is going to have to go to confession for that

 

Is McD Catholic?  I didn't know.  Knew he's professed Christian

[Wily Dog]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Each decision is judged on its own merit. They have done some things well. They’ve failed miserably when it comes to adding receivers. They don’t get credit for the good and a free pass for the bad. 

 

I disagree with your premise. They took over a failed operation in the Bills. Players that were overpaid , players who were not team players, and player that were not NFL caliber players. A horrendous Cap situation entailed. To expect the situation to be fixed in one year is ludicrous and in two years asinine. There has to be a plan whereby they fix what they can with the resources available.  I think that their plan is coming along and when the third year cap space  and draft they will be able to take care of the missing pieces. It is a total operation , certainly you can nitpick a situation without knowledge as to what went into the situation and point to a mistake  in your opinion but i don't think that you are being fair with your continual Watkins, Woods and Goodwin  diatribe.

[The Senator]

3 hours ago, Luka said:

Well until someone convinces KB to put his hands out in front of his body to catch the football, it's probably going to be more of the same until we get some real wide receivers.

 

Hey, what do you want the poor guy to do?

 

Dive?????

[billsfan714]

The wide receiver scouting, trading, development gives me a lot of concerns.  Lock up KB----no thanks, Holmes--journeyman and JAG, 7th rounder and a FA,  and 2nd rounder with bad rookie drops and an eventful off-season including mental issues.    Call me crazy, but I dont see the sunny skies there and think it needs addresses in order to develop Allen.    This group of receivers is almost laughable.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

 

I disagree with your premise. They took over a failed operation in the Bills. Players that were overpaid , players who were not team players, and player that were not NFL caliber players. A horrendous Cap situation entailed. To expect the situation to be fixed in one year is ludicrous and in two years asinine. There has to be a plan whereby they fix what they can with the resources available.  I think that their plan is coming along and when the third year cap space  and draft they will be able to take care of the missing pieces. It is a total operation , certainly you can nitpick a situation without knowledge as to what went into the situation and point to a mistake  in your opinion but i don't think that you are being fair with your continual Watkins, Woods and Goodwin  diatribe.

They used a high 2nd (that they traded up for) a 3rd, a 6th, 2 7ths and a depth corner to try to improve the position in addition to the free agents they signed. There is no nitpicking. They applied resources and were wrong about the guys that they chose. Nitpicking would be pretending that didn’t happen. 

 

Now, it’s entirley possible that they have an entirely different WR room next year. I don’t think that their 3 year plan consisted of needing to find 4-6 new receivers in year 3. If they go some right along the way that wouldn’t be the case. I’m actually shocked that anyone can objectively view this differently. Every guy was a mistake.

[Ol Dirty B]

5 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s a millennial argument. “We should have taken Orakpo instead of...”. “We should have taken Gronkowski instead of....”. Maybe “We should have taken Russ Wilson instead of TJ Graham”.  There is no immediate fix if you see the big picture. I want an Oompa Loompa Now!!!! You know what happened to that girl? She turned into a big blueberry. Patience. 

 

So you're disregarding any way to hold them accountable. Usually millenial is thrown around in a bad way, I'm happy to be called a millenial if it means recognizing mistakes. 

5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Actually that's the difference between a playoff team and average Joe's 

 

 

Millennial argument? As if an entire generation can be summed up by a single comment. God the over generalization is annoying. Let me help you out: 

 

We live at home, have no motivation, swimming in debt, zero accountability, super entitled, blah blah blah. 

 

Not to take it out on you but it I hate hearing the stereotype.

 

It's weird though because the zero accountability thing is what he is arguing for.

 

Either way it was a really stupid post. The 60s must have been rough on him. 

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So to be clear, these guys gutted the receiver room and replaced them with the worst receivers in the league. Now they are mad that these guys suck? Whose fault is that?

 

Haha. Holmes might stick as a bottom end and ST guy (I think next year is the last year of his contract) and Ray Ray is probably safe one more year unless he really sucks. I would advise KB, ZJ and the 'Bama boy to only rent property in Buffalo. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is what I do too, Sean, except at the TV

 

“Errant throws” tho ?

Get ya boy Brandon on the phones for someone who can catch plz 

 

they wouldn't be errant throws if the WRs were in the right place.

 

 

[GaryPinC]

8 hours ago, Steptide said:

Why do people want Dez so bad? If he was that good don't you think a team like the Patriots would've snatched him right up? Cleveland didn't even want him. He's not gonna be a difference maker for this team 

Doubly notable given the Pats have been aggressively trying to upgrade their receivers group, even signing Gordon.

[nucci]

11 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

Lets hope the message is received! Somebody needs to step the hell up. 

Great job being a head coach McD!

Maybe the GM should have acquired better receivers

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Has this made its rounds yet? It’s hilarious to me when people try and claim our wr situation “isn’t that bad”... it IS! IT SO FRIGGIN IS! 

 

 

Don't know where you got that, but elsewhere, STATS has the Bills in a five-way tie for 10th worst with five drops, behind Cleveland and Denver with 6, Jax and the Bengals with 7 and the Vikes with 9.

 

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving

 

And three games and 88 passes are not a great sample yet.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

I don’t disagree that he should have jumped him. I guess the point is I would agree more if he was jumping Robert Woods or Sammy Watkins. It’s his fault that there are guys the quality of Ray Ray McCloud on the active roster to yell at. 

 

 

I wouldn't use the word "fault" here at all, considering that trading away Watkins made it much more likely they'd have the ability to trade up for a QB. Good WRs are much farther down the needs hierarchy than a franchise QB. 

 

His responsibility, along with Beane's? Fair enough.

 

But it's simply too early to talk about "fault" on a team this early in the process of team-building. As with every other team in the NFL, they had more needs and wants than they could perfectly address with the picks and cap situation they inherited. So, yeah, they had to leave some areas on the team weaker while using their capital to address other areas. 

 

The defense looks like it might actually be coming together a bit. And yeah, OL and WR have conspicuously unaddressed needs. Again, it's really early in the team-buidling process. If they still have such obvious weaknesses after, say, Beane's third draft rather than his first, then yeah, it would be reasonable to start talking about whose fault that is.

 

 

 

... You argue elsewhere that "they were wrong about the guys that they chose" as WRs. It's too early to say. If Zay Jones doesn't improve after this, yeah, he'll have been a mistake as a 2nd rounder. But he might. It's still early. 

 

And while Benjamin hasn't been good so far this year, he's pretty likely to have production worth a 7th and a 3rd by the end of his stay in Buffalo, whenever that is, at least in my opinion.

 

It's too early to have any kind of final evaluations on their moves. And yeah, they're responsible for the situation. But if they'd used more resources on WR they'd have had to skimp at QB or ILB or CB or their cap situation for next year ... somewhere. And people would be complaining about that.

Edited September 27, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Coach Tuesday]

9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not asking them to hit 100% on the receivers. I think it’s reasonable to expect more than zero. Every single receiver move has failed. Benjamin wasn’t worth a 3rd. Zay wasn’t worth the 2nd. Clay wasn’t worth Seymour. Holmes wasn’t worth his contract. Philly Brown wasn’t either. The same goes for Kerley. The Coleman trade was a bust. Etc...

 

Every single decision that they have made regarding thee receivers has been a bad one. They don’t get a free pass for that. They have picked the wrong guys, signed the wrong guys and traded for the wrong guys. That’s not good. 

 

It’s not like other positions, like LB, where there’s been some good and bad. Milano looks like a great pick. Vallejo was not. They get a break for stuff like that. They don’t get a pass for failing with the WR position. 

 

Don't forget Jordan Matthews!

[JerseyBills]

13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Something about McDermott . I really think he's the truth. I think he's going to be here a long time. Said the same thing this time last week. He runs a tight , respected ship

13 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Has this made its rounds yet? It’s hilarious to me when people try and claim our wr situation “isn’t that bad”... it IS! IT SO FRIGGIN IS! 

That's not a good look but these WR are just gelling with Allen , who throws darts all day , lets hope they improve each week as they get used to Allen.  These WR were running with Peterman and Mccarron the majority of the preseason

[Low Positive]

That just looks like coaching to me. He saw that they were not taking a drill seriously enough and told them this in an animated way. Then he stuck around, watched them run it some more, was pleased with the results and told them so. My kids soccer coaches would have done the same thing, albeit without the profanity. 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Don't forget Jordan Matthews!

Oh I didn’t. He is in other posts. I couldn’t fit all of the busts in one post. 

[bmur66]

Really should have tried to keep Robert Wood

[BringBackFergy]

4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So you're disregarding any way to hold them accountable. Usually millenial is thrown around in a bad way, I'm happy to be called a millenial if it means recognizing mistakes. 

 

It's weird though because the zero accountability thing is what he is arguing for.

 

Either way it was a really stupid post. The 60s must have been rough on him. 

Holding people accountable for decisions is perfectly acceptable when the re-build is complete. Shoot, you can hold anyone accountable when the act which you are judging   is final. It gives you the ability to reflect. But to complain about WR’s at this stage is premature and is an example of “instant gratification” (Give me my all star WR now!! I want my $200,000 house now!! I want my new iPhone 57 now!!). Point is, you can’t have everything instantly (in life and in football). It takes hard work and some time. 

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I wouldn't use the word "fault" here at all, considering that trading away Watkins made it much more likely they'd have the ability to trade up for a QB. Good WRs are much farther down the needs hierarchy than a franchise QB. 

 

His responsibility, along with Beane's? Fair enough.

 

But it's simply too early to talk about "fault" on a team this early in the process of team-building. As with every other team in the NFL, they had more needs and wants than they could perfectly address with the picks and cap situation they inherited. So, yeah, they had to leave some areas on the team weaker while using their capital to address other areas. 

 

The defense looks like it might actually be coming together a bit. And yeah, OL and WR have conspicuously unaddressed needs. Again, it's really early in the team-buidling process. If they still have such obvious weaknesses after, say, Beane's third draft rather than his first, then yeah, it would be reasonable to start talking about whose fault that is.

 

 

 

... You argue elsewhere that "they were wrong about the guys that they chose" as WRs. It's too early to say. If Zay Jones doesn't improve after this, yeah, he'll have been a mistake as a 2nd rounder. But he might. It's still early. 

 

And while Benjamin hasn't been good so far this year, he's pretty likely to have production worth a 7th and a 3rd by the end of his stay in Buffalo, whenever that is, at least in my opinion.

 

It's too early to have any kind of final evaluations on their moves. And yeah, they're responsible for the situation. But if they'd used more resources on WR they'd have had to skimp at QB or ILB or CB or their cap situation for next year ... somewhere. And people would be complaining about that.

Well said Thurman

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Don't know where you got that, but elsewhere, STATS has the Bills in a five-way tie for 10th worst with five drops, behind Cleveland and Denver with 6, Jax and the Bengals with 7 and the Vikes with 9.

 

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving

 

And three games and 88 passes are not a great sample yet.

 

 

 

its not about how big the sample size is. It’s about showing how bad they have been in that time. And it’s bad. End of story. There’s really no way to spin it. 

 

The small sample is trending in the wrong direction. 

 

I cant tell you which link is correct but I give yours no more merit than mine. And neither is a good reflection of the wr group. Other posters provide tons of interesting graphics  from the nfl matchup graphics like i provided. It’s not just bogus because you posted one citing something different. 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[WideRightRevenge]

Just go get this guy and instantly improve the group ... cut Benjamin for Rishard Matthews

 

[Maynard]

14 hours ago, Lurker said:

Meh.    That looked like McD's normal approach, except he didn't clap.    Are we supposed to think that makes him 'fired up?'...

 

Excatly. I didn’t see anything too crazy there.

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I wouldn't use the word "fault" here at all, considering that trading away Watkins made it much more likely they'd have the ability to trade up for a QB. Good WRs are much farther down the needs hierarchy than a franchise QB. 

 

His responsibility, along with Beane's? Fair enough.

 

But it's simply too early to talk about "fault" on a team this early in the process of team-building. As with every other team in the NFL, they had more needs and wants than they could perfectly address with the picks and cap situation they inherited. So, yeah, they had to leave some areas on the team weaker while using their capital to address other areas. 

 

The defense looks like it might actually be coming together a bit. And yeah, OL and WR have conspicuously unaddressed needs. Again, it's really early in the team-buidling process. If they still have such obvious weaknesses after, say, Beane's third draft rather than his first, then yeah, it would be reasonable to start talking about whose fault that is.

 

 

 

... You argue elsewhere that "they were wrong about the guys that they chose" as WRs. It's too early to say. If Zay Jones doesn't improve after this, yeah, he'll have been a mistake as a 2nd rounder. But he might. It's still early. 

 

And while Benjamin hasn't been good so far this year, he's pretty likely to have production worth a 7th and a 3rd by the end of his stay in Buffalo, whenever that is, at least in my opinion.

 

It's too early to have any kind of final evaluations on their moves. And yeah, they're responsible for the situation. But if they'd used more resources on WR they'd have had to skimp at QB or ILB or CB or their cap situation for next year ... somewhere. And people would be complaining about that.

So this is basically, “yeah the receivers suck right now, but they might not later” the post. 

 

I will spare you the suspense. The WR group as it stands will suck today, tomorrow and next week. If I could put money on 5/6 of them in that group being gone next year, I would. 

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

“Gutted” is such a graphic term...I prefer “culled”. 

 

Where the the hell are Brandon Reilly and Tanner Gentry???!!!! I hear they are amazing!!!!

 

Another disingenuous Bills cheerleader making excuses for McDermott's poor decisions with personnel.   You can pretend this is about scrubs who aren't on the current roster but you -- and every other knowledgeable Bills fan -- knows  this is a reference to the three top class WRs the Bills didn't re-sign or traded away in 2017: Goodwin, Watkins, and Woods and were replaced with the slow, stone-handed bunch the Bills scraped up from among the NFL's worst scrubs.

 

Since you seem to have "forgotten" that these WRs were Bills pre-McDermott, I'll remind you that last season, the three WRs the Bills got rid of all blossomed with their new teams: Marquise Goodwin caught 56 passes (53% of targets) for 962 yards and 2 TDs; Watkins caught 39 passes (56% of targets) for 593 yards and 8 TDs;  Robert Woods caught 56 passes (66% of targets) for 781 yards and 5 TDs.  This season they've all continued to shine.  In fact on Sunday, Goodwin, Watkins, and Woods had 4 TDs among them. 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

It’s a dynamic situation right now. I’m going to interested to watch how the WR group reacts on Sunday after a big win and the leadership shown by a rookie QB. I’m guessing they start stepping up. There’s no way Allen should demonstrate that kind of heart and grit and NOT have his receivers start fighting for balls. Or is there?

[akcash]

He's basically saying don't start late and put our defense in bad situations. Love it.