McBean Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Marrone by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, CoachT said: I remember saying Marrone Is a good coach when he quit and so many bills fans thought I was dumb. Hackett is good too. I still wonder what actually happened behind the scenes. They kept Whaley (lol) is what happened. 2 minutes ago, baskin said: Not only that...Mahomes, Tyrod and Fitz are better, could be throwing to Watkins, Schwartz probably better, other owners are better, my neighbors house is better, my buddies wife is better... Good Effing Grief....this board is becoming as unreadable as PPP PPP at least has a logic to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Maybe the fanbase that ran Doug Marrone out of town, the guy who is now the head of what appears to be the AFC's next perennial playoff team, shouldn't be the ones to judge McDermott, the guy who ended a 17 year old playoff drought. Doug Marrone took advantage of an opt out clause in the event of a change in ownership. No one ran him out of town, and he wasn't going to be after posting 9-7 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, 87168 said: how so? from what's been reported during his tenure in Buffalo, his personality may have had more to do with him having to accept an OC role. McD has "his QB" and look at the results. the team (all around) has regressed and him and the GM are now two seasons in, choosing their players McD has a rookie he thinks can be his QB. The team hasn't regressed, it was broken down to the studs and they'll have the next two seasons to turn it around. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, 87168 said: how so? from what's been reported during his tenure in Buffalo, his personality may have had more to do with him having to accept an OC role. McD has "his QB" and look at the results. the team (all around) has regressed and him and the GM are now two seasons in, choosing their players No, Beane has been here for one draft. the results of that draft are a couple years out. But, Beane has had some of the most bizarre FA signings in the franchises history.Example his piss poor trades and subsequent cuts have eaten up a tad over 4 million in THIS years cap in just the past few weeks. Someone actually remarked. Well I don't think the Bills were going to use that money anyways. Really? If well spent that money could have improved this pitiful roster this season a little bit. The JAG DT from Carolina sucks, and it's understod that 10 M per year is kind of average for a decent DT. Star is below average. And that may not change. But, sitting pretty with Beane giving him 30 M guaranteed. And now Beane will have 80 million next year. Is this rookie GM capable of rebuilding a completely gutted roster? The team regressing was kind of expected. Doubtful anyone thought it would be this putrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: No, Beane has been here for one draft. the results of that draft are a couple years out. But, Beane has had some of the most bizarre FA signings in the franchises history.Example his piss poor trades and subsequent cuts have eaten up a tad over 4 million in THIS years cap in just the past few weeks. Someone actually remarked. Well I don't think the Bills were going to use that money anyways. Really? If well spent that money could have improved this pitiful roster this season a little bit. The JAG DT from Carolina sucks, and it's understod that 10 M per year is kind of average for a decent DT. Star is below average. And that may not change. But, sitting pretty with Beane giving him 30 M guaranteed. And now Beane will have 80 million next year. Is this rookie GM capable of rebuilding a completely gutted roster? The team regressing was kind of expected. Doubtful anyone thought it would be this putrid. Why is Star bad? I have yet to see someone actually show me facts other than sacks, which isn't a measurable stat for DTs. Edited September 17, 2018 by Watkins90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Marrone is a grumpy !@#$ but ultimately he gets results and focuses on fundamentals. I think Bills fans would love him if he did not quit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Is silver worth more than plastic? Yes. Marrone is okay.. McDermott is quite bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: Why is Star bad? I have yet to see someone actually show me facts other than sacks, which isn't a measurable stat for DTs. Today the Chargers averaged 4.2 yards per rush attempt. And they weren't running much. Not the worst but as a 'spaceeater' where are the sacks coming from when he is in the lineup? Today we got 2. He had zero impact on one of them. I didn't check but someone said he had zero tackles. Or maybe that was last week. the man is literraly invisible when he is in. I just don't see value at 10 million a year. Maybe he just fits McD's profile for what he likes in NFL players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: Why is Star bad? I have yet to see someone actually show me facts other than sacks, which isn't a measurable stat for DTs. Is tackles a measurable stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Marrone has the better talent. For example, he has Marcell Dareus . . . oh, wait, never mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, vorpma said: Try reading the post I responded to, apply cognitive skills then you can determine what I am talking about; funny how that works! I read it and it looked like you made assumptions and put words in my mouth. Try being less of a tool. Edited September 17, 2018 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Returntoglory said: They also inherited a horrid salary cap situation No, they created a horrid salary situation. Dareus is playing lights out for the Jags right now. Taylor could have been kept, Glenn could have been kept. All players that could help this team. This is the team they chose. They have no one to blame but themselves. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, mattynh said: Marrone is a grumpy !@#$ but ultimately he gets results and focuses on fundamentals. I think Bills fans would love him if he did not quit. I can clearly remember many fans glad he left......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: No, they created a horrid salary situation. Dareus is playing lights out for the Jags right now. Taylor could have been kept, Glenn could have been kept. All players that could help this team. This is the team they chose. They have no one to blame but themselves. You are spot on. I don't want to hear McBeane or their supporters complain about the roster. These are the players they wanted (including all of the dead cap and players not on the team). As I have said before, McBeane and others complaining about the roster is like the kid who killed his parents throwing himself at the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. 1 minute ago, Just Joshin' said: I can clearly remember many fans glad he left......... Marrone was a traitor. He left knowing he would get paid regardless because he had it in his head that he was going to get the Jets' job. Good coach. Horrible human being. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Marrone's staff always had a solid gameplan. It wasn't always properly executed, but the team competed every week. We went to Denver as huge underdogs, and if not for Orton mailing in his performance, would have won. Even if the players didn't love him, the effort was there for position coaches. He almost beat KC with Jeff Tuel at quarterback. Yes, we didn't make the playoffs, and lost in Oakland, but it wasn't like the team was unprepared, as they looked the first 6 quarters this year. Hackett has grown into a solid OC as well. Seems like he just needed time to adjust to the NFL. I hated when Marrone quit, and wish they'd have kept him over Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I hated Marone but there’s not a person in the NFL that doesn't think he’s better then McDermott. Marone is a real good coach, it’s just all sour grapes here that make people think otherwise. If Whaley wasn’t forcing the eternal bust EJ down everyone’s throat, we probably could have been something. The 14 orton tean was the best Bills team in a very long time. The only team that even resembled an NFL passing game. To bad EJ blew that season in Houston. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 i'll take McD over Marrone right now. It's too early in McD's tenure to judge accurately. Marrone has Coughlin. He set the tone. I like McD and what he brings. He is being tested right now, but that's OK. He'll do what needs to be done to fix this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 And I love how they “McBeane supporters” act like getting rid of YOUNG CHEAP talent is normal. It’s not and it reeks of incompetence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: I can clearly remember many fans glad he left......... I clearly remember a team going the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I hated Marone but there’s not a person in the NFL that doesn't think he’s better then McDermott. Marone is a real good coach, it’s just all sour grapes here that make people think otherwise. If Whaley wasn’t forcing the eternal bust EJ down everyone’s throat, we probably could have been something. The 14 orton tean was the best Bills team in a very long time. The only team that even resembled an NFL passing game. To bad EJ blew that season in Houston. We should’ve made the playoffs in both 15 & 16 with Tyrod... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, dezertbill said: i'll take McD over Marrone right now. It's too early in McD's tenure to judge accurately. Marrone has Coughlin. He set the tone. I like McD and what he brings. He is being tested right now, but that's OK. He'll do what needs to be done to fix this. Are we sure. Nothing points to that? Every player he has brought in so far has underperformed. Hell one of them quit at halftime today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I went with McD coz he actually took us to the playoffs. Marrone sucked. But McD is approaching such territory with his vapid ‘process’ cliches & platitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 It's all about personnel... Marrone walked into an almost-loaded team on the rise. Think of the '87 or '88 Bills. For better or worse, McD decided to purge the roster and start from scratch. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Whaley was a disaster at every aspect of the GM job. If the Bills had given Marrone the level of control that McDermott has now and brought in a real GM, rather than force Marrone to work with the Brandon/Whaley Jr. High level circus, the Bills might be where Jacksonville is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: To me, the answer is Doug. Great preparedness, teams rarely got blown out. What say you? How is this even a question.......YES...YES....DOUG, without a doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 St. Doug quit on this team and can bite me. That is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bad Things said: St. Doug quit on this team and can bite me. That is all. Yup, I totally agree but he is a far better coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Doug Marrone is a really good football coach and an a-hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Better question might be who is the better GM Beane or Whaley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 56 minutes ago, Peter said: Marrone was a traitor. He left knowing he would get paid regardless The front office that gave him that contract should be the target of your ire. Marrone's a D-Bag, but walking away has proven to be the right move for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, QCity said: The front office that gave him that contract should be the target of your ire. Marrone's a D-Bag, but walking away has proven to be the right move for him. The front office was stupid. Marrone was a traitor. Neither is a good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Marrone by a mile if for nothing else but that he was smart enough to realize he's not Bill Belichick or Andy Reid to be both HC and defacto GM at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Returntoglory said: They also inherited a horrid salary cap situation Well, I know what you are saying, but they (McDermot/Beane) kind of brought that on themselves to a degree. They got rid of some very talented players, and created a lot of "dead money" issues for the cap. I understand why they did it, but they could have kept a lot of those players, and dedicated themselves to caoching them up, rather than just getting rid of them. Guys like Dareus and Sammy might have not been their type of guys, but they weren't without talent. So, they get rid of them prematurely, creating dead money that they can't use to replace them with, and the performance of the team suffers, in the short term. Hopefully, they know what they are doing...next year they should have money to be able to build a much better roster...though, some of the free agent signings they made this year, so far, don't look like money well spent...trust the process. I still do, but excuses run out next year, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Are wade Phillips, Frank Reich, Anthony Lynn, Steve Scwartz better than McD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Screw Maroon and the horse he rode in on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Hard to say, I’d imagine if McDermott was the Jags coach now he’d be fairing better. Didnt like Marrone but it sounded like he was coaching through an organizational crap show when he was here. Plus there was the threat to move as well. I guess time time will tell overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Yeah Doug Marrone can get production out of Dareus. I don't care if somebody is a lazy good for nothing squander of immense talent, that probably smokes weed too much and talks back to his coach.. if he's talented. LAWRENCE TAYLOR WOULDN'T BE A PROCESS PLAYER. You know what that tells me, McD is too chicken**** to do a large portion of his job description (motivating spoiled brats with money to play football) that he gives up and gives the character excuse. I:d take a coach that can get a cracked out 3 nights sleepless LT to be a monster and get 7 sacks over a coach that's too scared of one of the best players ever. Beane takes the easy way out by claiming he has a process 5-6 years so he has a rats *** of retaining his job. McD takes the easy way out refusing to work with difficult talent. Andre Holmes must spend his free time saving puppies to justify his spot. I'm sure he's really "coachable" but he's a crap receiver. McD would be terrified of Randy Moss. Rebuilding a team on character isn't what a good team does. They rebuild on players that regardless of what they do in their free time; they can be motivated by a good coach to beat ass on Sunday and cocaine binge to celebrate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: To me, the answer is Doug. Great preparedness, teams rarely got blown out. What say you? I say that in his first two years as HC, Marrone made a lot of newbie mistakes. He took over a roster that was good but not great, and it was improved significantly between his first and second years by draft and FA acquisitions Marrone seems to have learned something in his 2nd gig, and to be benefiting by taking over an even more talented roster and having the support of a top FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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