MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Here me out this is why. 1. It gives Josh a little help reading defense presnap with the OC in his ear to help (think they shut it off with 10 seconds to go right). 2. Will slow down passrush. The No huddle always does that because it is harder for rotation. 3. To clarify I am not talking throw it all over the yard but more of a Huddle at the line like College does (that is where the game is going IMO). Finally the first play from him I would love to see is 4 wide. Under center. Play action to Shady (they will likey be thinking run to protect the rookie), all WRs run gos. Hits the top of his drop and lets it fly. (Ala the Carolina game). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Ask Dick Jauron how that worked out ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Ask Dick Jauron how that worked out ? Dicky J like Herpes the gift that keeps on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) It's not a bad plan, but that is also very much a double-edged sword. If Allen and the Offense fail to get in rhythm the Defense is on the field a lot! So, in theory, it sounds all well and good, but WRs drop a ball, Shady gets stuffed at the line and 3rd a long is a real possibility all in under a minute and a half and the D pins their ears back and sends the house. Now, you're hoping a WR steps it up and gets separation, the receiver selection to pass to is the right read, the receiver makes the catch and it all occurs without penalty and past the sticks. Should it happen in the NFL? Of course! But given this Offense's difficulty in moving the ball, it seems a bit more methodical would be the way to go to start the game. Now, through the 1st Quarter and they've had either real success or even some limited success moving the ball and Allen feels more comfortable and the Defense isn't worn down, then maybe you go No Huddle for the 2nd Quarter so that at least the Defense gets a break at the half. If it's no go, maybe you slow it down again, if it's working, then you go back to it. Basically, starting out that way doesn't necessarily help him, it only makes him feel more rushed (maybe?) - so it's a gamble and not one I would want to see right out of the gate. But, who knows? Edited September 13, 2018 by BigBuff423 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) It is a bad idea. We are talking about a rookies first start with his head spinning and you want to run a no huddle? Let him get in the huddle get the play conveyed properly to his team so he doesnt have to bark it out at the LOS. Edited September 13, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 you need a strong, smart, well coached offensive line to run a no huddle......and a QB to call the plays....if the coach is still calling the plays, what's the point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Two things Josh should be aware of. His hard count so far has only hurt the offense Stupid linemen evidently cant remember what count they are going on. Second change up the count go on one more often that hard counting till play clock is near zero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 You don't want to see No-huddle much. That will just mean the Bills go 3-and-out in lightning quick speed and Phil Rivers gets many many possessions to put 45+ points on our scoreboard. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 The positives of the no-huddle in a rookies first game are far outweighed by the negatives. I could handle some no-huddle mixed in, but it needs to be limited for the first half of the season. No reason to speed up a game that is already sped up so much for Allen 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) I would love to see John Miller to block someone. That's my ask. Edited September 13, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 If we punt as soon as we receive the ball we probably won't need to huddle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Here me out this is why. 1. It gives Josh a little help reading defense presnap with the OC in his ear to help (think they shut it off with 10 seconds to go right). 2. Will slow down passrush. The No huddle always does that because it is harder for rotation. 3. To clarify I am not talking throw it all over the yard but more of a Huddle at the line like College does (that is where the game is going IMO). Finally the first play from him I would love to see is 4 wide. Under center. Play action to Shady (they will likey be thinking run to protect the rookie), all WRs run gos. Hits the top of his drop and lets it fly. (Ala the Carolina game). I'd like it mixed in. Like call a play on 1st and get to the line for 2nd. The key they need to help him most, is that they need to get to the line quick so they can use motion to diagnose coverage, and the center can make their line calls. They struggled with that in cincy, and it results in penalties and just generally missed blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 How about we just run the hell out of the ball??? Literally the safest and best plan I can see right now. At least we'll be using clock.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: If we punt as soon as we receive the ball we probably won't need to huddle For some reason I pictured a punter receiving a kick off and kicking it right back. Still chuckling 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I think designed roll outs would be better for Josh in his first week rather than no huddle, thats a lot to ask of him and the offense. Josh is good on the run so get him rolling out to give him more time to throw the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: It's not a bad plan, but that is also very much a double-edged sword. If Allen and the Offense fail to get in rhythm the Defense is on the field a lot! So, in theory, it sounds all well and good, but WRs drop a ball, Shady gets stuffed at the line and 3rd a long is a real possibility all in under a minute and a half and the D pins their ears back and sends the house. Now, you're hoping a WR steps it up and gets separation, the receiver selection to pass to is the right read, the receiver makes the catch and it all occurs without penalty and past the sticks. Should it happen in the NFL? Of course! But given this Offense's difficulty in moving the ball, it seems a bit more methodical would be the way to go to start the game. Now, through the 1st Quarter and they've had either real success or even some limited success moving the ball and Allen feels more comfortable and the Defense isn't worn down, then maybe you go No Huddle for the 2nd Quarter so that at least the Defense gets a break at the half. If it's no go, maybe you slow it down again, if it's working, then you go back to it. Basically, starting out that way doesn't necessarily help him, it only makes him feel more rushed (maybe?) - so it's a gamble and not one I would want to see right out of the gate. But, who knows? I do understand that. But not talking tempo here they play same speed as being in the huddle. Just trying to figure a way to help the rookie with an extra set of eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Here me out this is why. 1. It gives Josh a little help reading defense presnap with the OC in his ear to help (think they shut it off with 10 seconds to go right). 2. Will slow down passrush. The No huddle always does that because it is harder for rotation. 3. To clarify I am not talking throw it all over the yard but more of a Huddle at the line like College does (that is where the game is going IMO). Finally the first play from him I would love to see is 4 wide. Under center. Play action to Shady (they will likey be thinking run to protect the rookie), all WRs run gos. Hits the top of his drop and lets it fly. (Ala the Carolina game). Steve Tasker was saying this exact thing yesterday on One Bills Live. Give him a limited number of plays. Keep the D on the field while not letting them do anything too exotic in terms of blitzing (at least that's what I remember). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, nucci said: you need a strong, smart, well coached offensive line to run a no huddle......and a QB to call the plays....if the coach is still calling the plays, what's the point? To get the coaches a look at the defense. Ala college. Lineup coach sees defende entire team looks to sideline for play. Very similar concept without the entire team looking over to sideline. I and not talking a no huddle like Kelly ran where he made a decision on what he was seeing but more like lining up immediately and coach relaying in a play that he sees based on d lineup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I would like to see that same pass to Foster going 999......but this time in bounds the opening play of the game Scare the pants off the defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: I think designed roll outs would be better for Josh in his first week rather than no huddle, thats a lot to ask of him and the offense. Josh is good on the run so get him rolling out to give him more time to throw the ball. I would like designed rollout half field reads as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I’d like to see some RPO mixed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I'd like to see have Daboll put together a game plan that only asks Allen to do well whatever he does well in practice - whether it's RPO or No Huddle or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 i'm all for getting the new punter some more reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) So are you saying get to the line quick so Daboll can help Allen diagnose the defense up until the 10 second mark? Edited September 13, 2018 by co_springs_billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 The Rams run no huddle, get to the line and McVey helps Goff diagnose the D while the helmet radio is on. But we don't have McVey as a coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 With a rookie QB in his first start under the glare of the national spotlight? With an uber by-the-book defensive-minded head coach? With a swiss cheese OL and God awful WR group? LOL! Comedy gold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: If we punt as soon as we receive the ball we probably won't need to huddle you can't keep sending the D back on the field in 4 minutes real time after no-huddle 3 and outs one year during this dismal dismal 20 years they seemed to do this 6 times a game to the D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I see positives but one big negative to it. Positives: Basically all the points you made in your first post Negative: There is a chance the offence will break the record in terms of lowest time of possession ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I dont mind going to this after we get a first down. Could allow for a better rhythm and keep things simpler for JA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: I dont mind going to this after we get a first down. Could allow for a better rhythm and keep things simpler for JA you mean about 5 minutes into the 3rd quarter? i can just imagine the standing O and roar of the Bills fans at the first first down on Sunday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) My hot take on why few teams run no-huddle as a game-long strategy? The teams don't have enough players with the requisite football IQ to do it. Hell, we can't even get the players on the team to execute the plays they've been studying for months. Edited September 13, 2018 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, dpberr said: My hot take on why few teams run no-huddle as a game-long strategy? The teams don't have enough players with the requisite football IQ to do it. Hell, we can't even get the players on the team to execute the plays they've been studying for months. elite QBs for 20 years get to the line with 20 seconds on the shotclock and completely read the D and call out audibles or the best choice of 3 plays they have set up for the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I would love to see 3 first down in the first half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Here me out this is why. 1. It gives Josh a little help reading defense presnap with the OC in his ear to help (think they shut it off with 10 seconds to go right). 2. Will slow down passrush. The No huddle always does that because it is harder for rotation. 3. To clarify I am not talking throw it all over the yard but more of a Huddle at the line like College does (that is where the game is going IMO). Finally the first play from him I would love to see is 4 wide. Under center. Play action to Shady (they will likey be thinking run to protect the rookie), all WRs run gos. Hits the top of his drop and lets it fly. (Ala the Carolina game). I fully expect him to throw a bomb on the first play, whether it's completed or not, just to put the defense on notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Yeah, let’s complete the EJ development of Josh Allen! its funny, I didn’t want Allen but I thought at least the Bills aren’t going to be stupid and rush him on the field. He will get to learn from a vet and work on getting more consistent habits in practice. Yet, here we are again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Good plan. Rivers will get the ball so often he'll be gassed, and then we strike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 We went hurry up offense a lot. It didn't do any good. It comes down to execution, and if you can't execute it doesn't matter how fast or slow you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) I'd only like to see it if it looked like this: Edited September 13, 2018 by RussellDopeland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, RussellDopeland said: I'd only like to see it if it looked like this: understood, but never happening again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 So faster three and outs to make sure Bojorquez can get his exercise? In all sincerity, it's not a bad plan to put in for the reasons stated in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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