Wayne Arnold Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) We all wanted to believe that Daboll’s putrid tenure as NFL OC was due to poor personnel. While watching the game on Sunday I was disappointed by the lack of imagination/creativity and struck by how seldom the receivers were able to get open - which is a strong indication of scheme issues as much as it is (or perhaps more than) wide receiver talent limitation. Kurt Warner and Doug Farrar have confirmed my fears that Daboll might in fact stink. Edited September 12, 2018 by Wayne Arnold 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Are you shocked? A notoriously poor offensive coordinator is going to come to Buffalo with the worst offense talent in the league and all the sudden be good? Edited September 12, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Quelled... quelled... someone got themselves a calendar word-of-the-day dictionary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Josh Allen needs Benny Mc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 This is legitimately concerning. Of all of the important fixes that were needed this past offseason (and there were many), a strong, creative OC was one of the things at the top of list. Way too early to assess Daboll at this point, but his past experience as OC in the NFL was always disconcerting. Landing with teams with bad offenses (Cleveland and Buffalo) is unfortunate, but he will need to make the team confident in his abilities and schemes this season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 If history has shown anything...chances are Daboll will be a disappointment....only thing is who will be more putrid with the playcalling...Dennison or Daboll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) I will reserve judgment on Daboll. I'm not sure anyone could have done much better with the offensive talent that was on the field last Sunday. Sort of like commissioning Michelangelo to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel - and then giving him paint brushes without any bristles... Edited September 12, 2018 by billsfan1959 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I had no initial fears as he was touted as getting a brilliant offensive mind that studied under Belichick, Saban. One week does not define a career so I'm willing to see how he does going forward. If he wants his offense to work he had better get that run game going because his QB's are far too raw to run some advanced pass first, hurry up offense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 There isn't an offensive coordinator alive that can derive a game plan with Peterman, our WR's and O line. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I will reserve judgment on Daboll. I'm not sure anyone could have done much better with the offensive talent that was on the field last Sunday. Sort of like commissioning Leonardo da Vinci to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel - and then giving him paint brushes without any bristles... or a ladder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I will reserve judgment on Daboll. I'm not sure anyone could have done much better with the offensive talent that was on the field last Sunday. Sort of like commissioning Leonardo da Vinci to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel - and then giving him paint brushes without any bristles... Brian "da Vinci" Daboll - I agree 1 game is not a fair assessment - but the most impressive part of his resume was that he was part of excellent teams that were good before and after he left, and the most damning are his stints where he was asked to be the guy to improve a team. I'm hoping for the best with him because it will take true genius to get this unit to look like a capable offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsRdue said: or a ladder. Just now, Ayjent said: Brian "da Vinci" Daboll - I agree 1 game is not a fair assessment - but the most impressive part of his resume was that he was part of excellent teams that were good before and after he left, and the most damning are his stints where he was asked to be the guy to improve a team. I'm hoping for the best with him because it will take true genius to get this unit to look like a capable offense. I need to review my Renaissance painters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Let's do it, next year we will fire Daboll and bring back Chan Gailey. Get it done OBD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 McD won’t get to fire a second OC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 True, but I'll be judging him on what he does with Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Allen will be ruined by this coaching staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just out of curiosity, what plays would you dial up for: an offensive line that holds up for an average of 2.4 seconds, a wide receiver corps that we all knew was probably the worst in the league, and features a giant man with feet for hands as our number one guy, and a quarterback who's qbr ranks 244 out of 247 since 2001 and has the arm strength of a jv cheerleader? (All stats were off the top of my head so maybe slightly inaccurate but you get the point) Im guessing it would be something like quick, timing based throws and a few Our Fathers every time Nate dropped back to pass. If you watched the post game interview with Weddle, he talked about all of that. He said something to the effect of, "we watched Nate play, and we knew they were going to use quick short timing passes, and that he has a noodle arm that would give us chances to intercept him." Just like I'm giving Beane and McD a slight pass this year for having to put together and coach a roster with a mind boggling handicap due to the dead money, I'm giving Daboll a slight pass in that I don't think anybody could get success out of probably one of the least talented offenses ever assembled. As much as it sucks, we're going to have to play the waiting game to see what these guys can do when they have 90M in cap space and a full draft next year before we can get a reading. As a disclaimer, I'm also not that confident in Daboll. I'm just willing to wait till next year to let him coach an NFL offense, which we do not have this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: I had no initial fears as he was touted as getting a brilliant offensive mind that studied under Belichick, Saban. One week does not define a career so I'm willing to see how he does going forward. If he wants his offense to work he had better get that run game going because his QB's are far too raw to run some advanced pass first, hurry up offense. i agree with this. It's hard to accomplish anything when you have no pass protection and cannot establish any kind of running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: McD won’t get to fire a second OC. I disagree with this as this HC was able to get his team in the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and I doubt Pegs will pull the plug after only one losing season. I think McD has three more years... unless of course, the Bills play all year like they did against the Ravens as I don't think any owner could take many of those 47-3 blowouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Daboll was so good in Cleveland ......... no strike that. He was so good in Miami ...... wait no not there either. He was so good at ... well... coaching Gronk. If that doesn't deserve a shot destroying the highest draft pick we used on a QB in 20 years I don't know what does. McDermott already proved he can't spot talent or coach offense last year. We need a coaching staff that can coach both sides of the ball. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Well first off i hope he learned how to over come a bad game & how to use less than top of the line talent to put up points to get the team some wins & at the very least have the teams offense look respectable ! But one thing he has definitely learned & got it down Pat (pun intended) is Bills lip smack during his interviews ?he does it just exactly like Bill & i was wondering if any one else had noticed ? It can be pretty annoying at times !! I know this is nothing to do about nothing but with all the down talk about how we lost so bad last week i thought well just maybe this would lighten the mood a bit & give us something other than the obvious to talk about .. Smack on Dabol & use what ever else you can pull from your time with the Pats to bring our team back !! GO BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 That it is better to coach a team with good players than one with bad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 They probabaly didn’t include him in their cheating schemes. So he was basically useless there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: We all wanted to believe that Daboll’s putrid tenure as NFL OC was due to poor personnel. While watching the game on Sunday I was disappointed by the lack of imagination/creativity and struck by how seldom the receivers were able to get open - which is a strong indication of scheme issues as much as it is (or perhaps more than) wide receiver talent limitation. Kurt Warner and Doug Farrar have confirmed my fears that Daboll might in fact stink. Several of the all-22 analyses seem to suggest that his concepts were leaving men open, we just couldn't get to them. OTOH Kurt Warner does truly know something, just like Tony Romo so...uncertain who to believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 You need to read Cover 1's review of the game. DaBoll did what he could with his part a lot, the players execution failed and he relied on certain things like KB ISO routes to often. But the concepts in general were sound. He is going to get a lot of flak for an offense with no talent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, JXCOL3 said: Let's do it, next year we will fire Daboll and bring back Chan Gailey. Get it done OBD I certainly wouldn’t hate it. Even though Chan is officially retired and never coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Cover 1 seemed to recognize the passing concepts just fine, did Kurt Warner actually sit down and review the tape or is he just speaking sensationally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: I disagree with this as this HC was able to get his team in the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and I doubt Pegs will pull the plug after only one losing season. I think McD has three more years... unless of course, the Bills play all year like they did against the Ravens as I don't think any owner could take many of those 47-3 blowouts. If they go 3-13 this year with the offence sucking, and 4-12/5-11 next year with the offence sucking again, Mcd's seat will be very warm. I agree with the other post that Mcd will not get a chance to bring in a 3rd OC. He better pray Daboll is the guy Edited September 12, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 He doesn’t have a QB. He doesn’t have Wide Receivers. He doesn’t have an O Line that can block. Sounds like a winning combination to me!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: He doesn’t have a QB. He doesn’t have Wide Receivers. He doesn’t have an O Line that can block. Sounds like a winning combination to me!!! Too simplistic. Gailey and Roman didn’t have all that much to work with either but you were able to recognize creative concepts and worthy schemes that often or occasionally resulted in chicken salad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Cover 1 seemed to recognize the passing concepts just fine, did Kurt Warner actually sit down and review the tape or is he just speaking sensationally Are you really comparing the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) They made this point on WGR the other day, and I thought it was fair, that we shouldn't indict Daboll quite yet. That BAL game got so out of hand so quickly, it essentially became another preseason game, so no need for him to open up the playbook in the second half down 4-5 scores. I'm not SAYIN, I'm just sayin... Edited September 12, 2018 by jimmy10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Cover 1 seemed to recognize the passing concepts just fine, did Kurt Warner actually sit down and review the tape or is he just speaking sensationally I'll say it again, can we FORCE people on TBD to watch the Cover 1 videos? Like, there's a splash page where you have to read their article on the Bills long term planning and look at their A22 videos, then you can check a box and you're let into TBD... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 That's what happens when you hire a buddy that you've know since you were 20 years old. Anyone that even remotely believed that Daboll was the best man for the job is naive/gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 This was an uninspiring hire from the start. No one should be stunned. He should be a tight ends coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Heitz said: I'll say it again, can we FORCE people on TBD to watch the Cover 1 videos? Like, there's a splash page where you have to read their article on the Bills long term planning and look at their A22 videos, then you can check a box and you're let into TBD... ? Yeah maybe Kurt Warner can download a few video breakdowns and learn something about passing concepts ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Yeah maybe Kurt Warner can download a few video breakdowns and learn something about passing concepts ? Warner's a busy guy, I'd be surprised if he got as in-depth at Cover 1 - breaking down individual plays, looking at each in slow-mo, really breaking it down. Warner probably saw some highlights and was like "WTF" Still, we can probably assume the guy knows his stuff, he did *OK* in the NFL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: struck by how seldom the receivers were able to get open See the "All 22" thread - receivers were getting open. At one point in the game they showed a replay of a sack, and the announcer said, "There was nobody open." At the moment he said that, I could see a receiver running right past a defender, with 1-2 yards of separation, while Nate was still upright and looking downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, SDS said: Are you really comparing the two? I mean there is a difference between actually analyzing something and watching highlights going just off those impressions. Cover 1 did a great breakdown and did criticize some of Daboll. They also did though make valid points that the offense was more hamstrung by NP then anything else and it had chances. That doesn't take away from Warner not being wrong that on first impression they were bad and looked lost nor the fact he's a HOF QB with some good insight. It's two very different perspectives looking at the game from much different lenses. Warner isn't paid to go as in depth as some of the stat guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Several of the all-22 analyses seem to suggest that his concepts were leaving men open, we just couldn't get to them. OTOH Kurt Warner does truly know something, just like Tony Romo so...uncertain who to believe. Warner is a devout Christian - maybe he was trying to defend Peterman. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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