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1 minute ago, Mr Beavers said:

Not very funny to you.  You don't speak for everyone my friend.  I'm probably a little older than you and guys my generation and older will be more prone to laughing at something like this.  Thanks for your input though.  Yes, we are all a bit childish as guys - the absolute truth.  Sorry for knocking your opinion man.  I'm just defensive about my little joke as you can tell.  No hard feelings.

None taken and you may not be as older than me than you think....

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Waste. Of. Time

 

If Josh Allen is ready, which he is, there shouldn't be  a debate, it's his team and his time, it's just a simple fact of their talent and potential.

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Peterman has looked good but in the end it might not matter because the future might be closer than expected. I think Allen has earned the start against the Bengals next week. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Peterman can't throw a 60 yard bomb, but Allen can't complete 85% of his passes either. I'll take the guy that keeps us on the field until Allen is clearly better. They shouldn't give him the job until he consistently outperforms the guy in front of him. Once that happens, I'm team Allen. 

Who can?

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3 hours ago, DollaBills said:

 

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Quietly however, Nathan Peterman has been having a couple of solid games in the preseason. He's got a clear rapport with Benjamin, who may be a saving grace on an offense that is usually predictably overly reliant on Lesean McCoy's ability to make plays as a runner and as a passer. He might not have a cannon, but there is more to winning football games than just deep WR routes. 

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No, no there’s not.😉

 

 

 

3 key QB plays to consider:

 

1) A throw in the flat near the sideline

2) forced to run on 3rd & 7

3) scrambling around, a receiver breaks free running very deep

 

Who ya got?

 

A) Allen

B) Peterman

 

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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

In 52 career pass attempts he has 6 INTs and 3 Fumbles.  He only completed 50% of his passes last preseason, and less than 50% in reg and post season.  

 

His 2nd drive of the preseason this year he threw a pick again.  His first pass of the 2nd game tonight was a dropped pick six.

 

The TD pass tonight to O’Leary was slow and behind him so bad that despite being wide open by 10+ yards with a clear path the endzone, Nick had to slow down and wait for the ball that led to the defender getting to him requiring Nick to break a tackle to score on what should have been a walk in TD on broken coverage.

 

So no, it’s not just people saying one game, it’s his body of work past and present.  Every time he throws an out pattern it’s a risk to get picked.  He played one drive with KB and now all of a sudden he has a “connection”?  Talk about over exaggerating one drive in the first preseason game.  

 

I dont know what NP has done to warrant this mythological elevation of him, but it’s like he has hypnotized people.  And people are not enamored with Allen because he can throw it deep, it’s his ability to get passes into places others can’t, his ability to move and avoid the pressure in the pocket, how poised he is, etc.  NP has performed terribly under pressure so far, and one or two drives don’t change the body of work.

 

Most importantly, NP just doesn’t have the ability to make all the throws while can not only make all the throws, but he can also make some that most other people can’t make.

 

Sorry I just have yet see NP play a game where I go this can be a consistent starter in this league.  I hope he proves me wrong, but right now I can’t make a case for him over Allen.


52 career passes. He started as a 5th round draft pick in his first year, on the road, against the best defense in the NFL and then had a blizzard game, and you know everything you need to know right there. 

OK. Well I don't and I'll take a guy that completes everything except 3 passes over two games - with the bad players (whom Allen completed a far worse percentage) and the good players (with whom McCarron blew chunks). I know that he shouldn't have been put in that position against SD and even then, his team gave him no shot at all at playing well. It's like thinking that Josh Allen starting last night's game would have faired much better than McCarron. 

And there's no correlation between throwing the ball fast and throwing interceptions. None. For every Ryan Fitzpatrick I'll show you Chad Pennington or Joe Montana or a young Tom Brady - who people tend to forget was not known as a fastballer when he came up. Hell Drew Brees won't win a war based on his spin. Conversely, the number of guys with rockets that can't play in this league are selling an awful lot of used cars.

The ball to O'Leary got there. It ended in 6 points. Got there slow, got there fast ... he found the open man. That seems to be what he's done this year and it's a new year and I'll give him the space to succeed. You seem to be the only one that wants to credit him for the INT to Ivory. Funny how Allen fans won't credit Khari Lee as being the main reason for that long pass in the first game, but it's all NP's fault an NFL regular can't catch a pass on his left shoulder pad. Honestly, WTF?

He's not the future but so far this year, he's earned the right to start the 3rd PS game. Maybe I'll have a different take on the guy next week but right now he's our starter. So, that's what I see. 

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McBeane has shown that they are competent. I fully trust who ever they start at quarterback, they thought gave us the best chance to win. At this point I would be fine with either Peterman or Allen

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These are Nate Peterman's stats in the 30 minutes (two quarters) of playing time he had last year:

  • 24/49 = 49% completion rate
  • 252 yards, for an average of 5.1 per attempt
  • TD to Interception Ratio: 2/5
  • Overall QB Rating: 38.4

And people want to make a serious argument he should start?

                               

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The Bills dodged a bullet when Peterman was roughed late in the 4th quarter.  That could have easily been a bad knee injury. 

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4 hours ago, DollaBills said:

 

 

Josh Allen is a prospect. He's showing that he can be a starting NFL QB. Its promising and makes me feel good about Beane/McDermott's regime.

 

Quietly however, Nathan Peterman has been having a couple of solid games in the preseason. He's got a clear rapport with Benjamin, who may be a saving grace on an offense that is usually predictably overly reliant on Lesean McCoy's ability to make plays as a runner and as a passer. He might not have a cannon, but there is more to winning football games than just deep WR routes. 

 

The same people that want Allen in NOW and dont even consider Peterman are the same people who will you Peterman threw 5 int's vs The chargers last year. In their minds, Peterman is not even in the discussion because he's already a "bust". There is more than one person on the football team however. 5 int's sounds bad, but many of them were errant timings with receivers and an o-line that was getting steamrolled on the line of scrimmage.

 

Allen could very well be the franchise guy. The issue is who is the better Quarterback in two weeks.

 

Peterman could easily be him. 

 

 

 

5th round draft picks can't be considered busts. 

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Not sure you would call this an open and shut case..

 

Its going to be Allen boys..

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4 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

5th round draft picks can't be considered busts. 


And they shouldn't be starting in their first year, on the road, against a premier defense. Please point out to me the other NFL teams that started a 5th round QB in their first year, because I'm pretty sure I can come up with a stack that didn't.

It makes the Charger argument irrelevant as could possibly be. 

What is amazing to me is that after 15 years of getting our brains beaten in by Tom Brady, Bills fans have missed the clear, simple, obvious way to winning games: 

Throw to the open man.

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At this point Peterman looks like a solid Number 2 QB.  Josh is young but his arm strength alone sets him far ahead of Peterman.

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4 hours ago, ericcomposer72 said:

Honest question:

 

If Peterman starts against the Ravens and throws 3+ INT in the first half, does McD then have to send Allen out for the 2nd half, basically anointing him "starter" going forward?

 

Would the coaching staff then look even dumber than when they benched Tyrod?

 

I know it's a hypothetical, but I don't think it's a crazy scenario to ponder.

That’s kind of what the Texans did last year.

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There is no case for Peterman.  I'm not sure why you guys are advocating this.  Hey he looked good with the 1's because it was the 1's.  He had 1 pass to O'Leary with the 3's that went for a TD on a blown coverage that a guy like Derek Anderson would also make.  Nothing impressive.

 

Bottom line, Our OL got AJ hurt and sadly it was our best lineman Dawkins. I'm not sure what Juan teaches but that was just terrible technique by Dawkins.  He even lowered his head taking on Garrett.  WTF was that?  In any case, there is only 1 QB on this team that can overcome the sad a$$ OL and that's Allen.  Ducasse should not be playing.  And Dawkins has to play better.  Garrett bullied him on the playground last night.  Mills didn't have a clue at times.  It was just a sad and pathetic looking bunch.  Allen needs to start because he can extend plays and his arm will scare defenses.  Peterman is not going to extend plays and his arm is just what defenses love when a QB is having to run for his life.

 

There needs to be a shake-up at LG.  Miller seemed OK at RG.

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4 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

There is no case for Peterman.  I'm not sure why you guys are advocating this.  Hey he looked good with the 1's because it was the 1's.  He had 1 pass to O'Leary with the 3's that went for a TD on a blown coverage that a guy like Derek Anderson would also make.  Nothing impressive.

 

Bottom line, Our OL got AJ hurt and sadly it was our best lineman Dawkins. I'm not sure what Juan teaches but that was just terrible technique by Dawkins.  He even lowered his head taking on Garrett.  WTF was that?  In any case, there is only 1 QB on this team that can overcome the sad a$$ OL and that's Allen.  Ducasse should not be playing.  And Dawkins has to play better.  Garrett bullied him on the playground last night.  Mills didn't have a clue at times.  It was just a sad and pathetic looking bunch.  Allen needs to start because he can extend plays and his arm will scare defenses.  Peterman is not going to extend plays and his arm is just what defenses love when a QB is having to run for his life.

 

There needs to be a shake-up at LG.  Miller seemed OK at RG.

I wonder how much of the bad O line play was Bodine making the O line calls rather than Groy, who started last week?  They looked light years better vs Carolina when Groy started.

 

Also remember Myles Garrett went 1 overall for a reason.

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4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

The Browns & Panthers have bad ass front 7’s. Expect our OL to settle in going forward.

 

So should we start Nate against the chargers so Allen doesn't die?

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4 hours ago, ericcomposer72 said:

Honest question:

 

If Peterman starts against the Ravens and throws 3+ INT in the first half, does McD then have to send Allen out for the 2nd half, basically anointing him "starter" going forward?

 

Would the coaching staff then look even dumber than when they benched Tyrod?

 

I know it's a hypothetical, but I don't think it's a crazy scenario to ponder.

Given the approach you should also ponder the hypothetical Peterman gets game 1 start, despite the media and fan love for Allen, throws 3 TDS in the first half and the coaches look like geniuses for starting a 5th rd pick, that threw 5int in a half, over the rookie 7th overall pick.

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2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Peterman can't throw a 60 yard bomb, but Allen can't complete 85% of his passes either. I'll take the guy that keeps us on the field until Allen is clearly better. They shouldn't give him the job until he consistently outperforms the guy in front of him. Once that happens, I'm team Allen. 

Must be hell for you watching Allen out perform the veterans on this team. So far the haters are looking quit foolish, hopefully that continues. You should turn your sights to the online or linebackers, that’s where the real problem lies with this team...if you can’t see that Allen is already better, there’s not much to discuss...

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I have been pleasantly surprised by Josh Allen's play so far.  I think he has a chance to be a good long-term answer at QB.  He might even give the team the best hope to win in the short run.  However, this team is not built to win now.  The OL looks like it could be a big problem and WR is surely an under-talented position.  While Allen has looked poised against 2nd and 3rd team defenses, he still is learning.

 

Given the weaknesses everywhere on offense and that this team is in no way a serious contender this year, I think it would be smart to have Peterman be the sacrificial lamb while Allen learns more.  The combination of poor OL play and a weak receiving group is going to get another QB killed like McCarron was mauled tonight.  

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17 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Peterman is not a bust. He is a never was. 

Unfortunately for Nate, this is the truth.  Well said.

Why is the coaching staff so high on him anyway?  I've not seen his college tape.  Was he that good at Pitt?

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37 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

There is no case for Peterman.  I'm not sure why you guys are advocating this.  Hey he looked good with the 1's because it was the 1's.  He had 1 pass to O'Leary with the 3's that went for a TD on a blown coverage that a guy like Derek Anderson would also make.  Nothing impressive.

 

Bottom line, Our OL got AJ hurt and sadly it was our best lineman Dawkins. I'm not sure what Juan teaches but that was just terrible technique by Dawkins.  He even lowered his head taking on Garrett.  WTF was that?  In any case, there is only 1 QB on this team that can overcome the sad a$$ OL and that's Allen.  Ducasse should not be playing.  And Dawkins has to play better.  Garrett bullied him on the playground last night.  Mills didn't have a clue at times.  It was just a sad and pathetic looking bunch.  Allen needs to start because he can extend plays and his arm will scare defenses.  Peterman is not going to extend plays and his arm is just what defenses love when a QB is having to run for his life.

 

There needs to be a shake-up at LG.  Miller seemed OK at RG.

It's almost like a good sized group of Bills fans can't handle the thought of finally having a great QB, they are so programed for the Kelly Holcombs, the Kyle Ortons, the Tyrod Taylors of the world. Like

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8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Given the weaknesses everywhere on offense and that this team is in no way a serious contender this year, I think it would be smart to have Peterman be the sacrificial lamb while Allen learns more.  The combination of poor OL play and a weak receiving group is going to get another QB killed like McCarron was mauled tonight.  

Another good point.  IMO, though they will never admit it publicly, this is probably the conversation the honchos are going to have in order to come to a decision by week 1. 

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Allen's arm is about more than just going deep. Look at all his throws last night there was some tight window short throws that he zipped it in really quick and the db had no chance turn around and make a pick on it. peterman's ball takes forever to get there allows plenty of time for the DB to find it and pick it as we saw in the Chargers game

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