Khalil Mack holding out... in Buffalo

[ChevyVanMiller]

A time machine and a pass on Sammy Watkins.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It’s gonna take ALOT more than a First, Second , and Shaq Lawson

He’s not a QB.   I doubt it would take more than that if the Raiders are willing to entertain offers. 

 

Pats got a 2nd for Jimmy G in his contract year. 

Edited July 31, 2018 by SCBills

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

He’s not a QB.   I doubt it would take more than that if the Raiders are willing to entertain offers. 

 

Pats got a 2nd for Jimmy G in his contract year. 

 

Jimmy G was no Mack when he was traded.  He was an unknown commodity.  Mack is already a proven defensive stud and rising star.

 

1.  Raiders are not going to trade him.

2.  That offer in the OP is terrible for us.  Why would we give up so much for him?  We got a lot of good players in the D front 7 including two very good looking rookies already.  

3.  We NEED to add offense and not spend so much on one defensive player.  Our D is set up real well right now, so we need the cap room and those draft picks to address the OL, WR, TE, and RB (McCoys up there in age).  

 

I would hate this crazy offer of a first and a 2nd and all that money for Mack, and I love Mack. Oddly, I am not even sure the Raiders would consider trading mack for that anyway.  

[SCBills]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Jimmy G was no Mack when he was traded.  He was an unknown commodity.  Mack is already a proven defensive stud and rising star.

 

1.  Raiders are not going to trade him.

2.  That offer in the OP is terrible for us.  Why would we give up so much for him?  We got a lot of good players in the D front 7 including two very good looking rookies already.  

3.  We NEED to add offense and not spend so much on one defensive player.  Our D is set up real well right now, so we need the cap room and those draft picks to address the OL, WR, TE, and RB (McCoys up there in age).  

 

I would hate this crazy offer of a first and a 2nd and all that money for Mack, and I love Mack. Oddly, I am not even sure the Raiders would consider trading mack for that anyway.  

Jimmy G was not the QB equivalent of Mack....but was a QB.  One many teams were high on.  

 

Mack is a DE/LB in his final year meaning whoever trades for him has to pay him as well.  I don’t think the Raiders are trading him, but if they did, they’re not getting a Brinks truck of picks beyond what the OP offered. 

[RPbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It’s gonna take ALOT more than a First, Second , and Shaq Lawson

 

let alone a 2020 2nd

My feeling is that the 2019 1st would be very desirable as the Bills have the look of a team that will be drafting in the top 10 even with Mack.

 

The offensive needs can be addressed by the remaining 8 picks in 2019 and the money we have in free agency next year.

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

If you were Brandon Beane, what would you offer the Raiders for Kahill Mack and then what type of contract would you offer.

 

My offer would be:

Shaq Lawson

2019 1st Round Pick

2020 2nd Round Pick

 

My offer to Mack

 

6 years, $120,000,000, $75,000,000 guaranteed, 42,000,000 signing bonus, yearly payouts and incentives if met would be around $15,500,000.

 

Locking him up for years 27-32, getting best of the present and overpaying probably last two years on the deal but my god what a D we would have.

 

Thoughts and feedback please

I like your contract offer. I’d offer Shaq, a 2019 2nd and 4th and a 2020 2nd that can become a 1st if he has 10+ sacks in each of the next 2 seasons.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I don’t even think we need a LB now. (IMO) Edmunds and Milano are young, fast, modern day LBs that will be the center of this defense for years to come.  I realize that Mack is a great player, but it’s a salary cap sport. Go trade for a WR. Don’t give something up for a player at a position of strength.

[BillsPride12]

Khalil Mack is awesome...that's who I was hoping for when we traded up for Sammy but the truth is with this regime in charge it's time to look forward and stop looking in the past.  McBeane are going to continue to build this thing up in house with draft picks and occasionally plug in a free agent where they see the value meets the need.  There's no way they are splurging on a Ferrari in free agency. 

[swnybillsfan]

i wouldn't go for Mack. he is a fantastic player, but i want to build an offensive juggernaut. i would like my defense to be just good enogh not to lose championship games. get me some serious offensive talent.

[Aussie Joe]

Can they even squeeze his salary under the cap this year?

Would need to be offloading Hughes I think and maybe that would not be enough..

[Cornette's Commentary]

26 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

If you were Brandon Beane, what would you offer the Raiders for Kahill Mack and then what type of contract would you offer.

 

My offer would be:

Shaq Lawson

2019 1st Round Pick

2020 2nd Round Pick

 

My offer to Mack

 

6 years, $120,000,000, $75,000,000 guaranteed, 42,000,000 signing bonus, yearly payouts and incentives if met would be around $15,500,000.

 

Locking him up for years 27-32, getting best of the present and overpaying probably last two years on the deal but my god what a D we would have.

 

Thoughts and feedback please

Again with this crap?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Is this MUT or reality? 

 

Mack is a stud but is there cap room

[billsfan_34]

28 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

If you were Brandon Beane, what would you offer the Raiders for Kahill Mack and then what type of contract would you offer.

 

My offer would be:

Shaq Lawson

2019 1st Round Pick

2020 2nd Round Pick

 

My offer to Mack

 

6 years, $120,000,000, $75,000,000 guaranteed, 42,000,000 signing bonus, yearly payouts and incentives if met would be around $15,500,000.

 

Locking him up for years 27-32, getting best of the present and overpaying probably last two years on the deal but my god what a D we would have.

 

Thoughts and feedback please

He is a damn good LB but he isnt a QB. No way we give up a first and a second. What does Shaq do for anyone- so unproven and has yet to make the leap to the NFL. Now onto the money- way way too much for a LB. I like your enthusiasm because we sure could use another kick ass LB but imo its too steep for him.

[Buffalo716]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He’s not a QB.   I doubt it would take more than that if the Raiders are willing to entertain offers. 

 

Pats got a 2nd for Jimmy G in his contract year. 

 

Mack Is an All Pro at 2 positions.

 

It’s gonna take more than a first , second next year and a run stuffing D end

 

It will command at least 2 firsts for anyone to trade for him

Edited August 1, 2018 by Buffalo716

[BakersBills]

Id give jerry hughes and a 2019 2nd and 2020 3rd

 

or shaq and two 2nds

[SCBills]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

Mack Is an All Pro at 2 positions.

 

It’s gonna take more than a first , second next year and a run stuffing D end

 

It will command at least 2 firsts

Then the Raiders better figure it out because no one in the NFL is trading 2-1sts, knowing they also have to immmediately pay the man $25 mil per. 

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

My feeling is that the 2019 1st would be very desirable as the Bills have the look of a team that will be drafting in the top 10 even with Mack.

 

The offensive needs can be addressed by the remaining 8 picks in 2019 and the money we have in free agency next year.

 

People said we were tanking last year and made the playoffs 

 

im willing to bet we don’t pick top 10 this year. I’d love Mack , don’t see Beane pulling the trigger 

Just now, SCBills said:

Then the Raiders better figure it out because no one in the NFL is trading 2-1sts, knowing they also have to immmediately pay the man $25 mil per. 

 

He won’t be traded then. They aren’t giving him away

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Jimmy G was not the QB equivalent of Mack....but was a QB.  One many teams were high on.  

 

Mack is a DE/LB in his final year meaning whoever trades for him has to pay him as well.  I don’t think the Raiders are trading him, but if they did, they’re not getting a Brinks truck of picks beyond what the OP offered. 

 

So basically you agree with everything I said lol

[Cornette's Commentary]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It’s gonna take ALOT more than a First, Second , and Shaq Lawson

 

let alone a 2020 2nd

You would also have to change Shaq Lawson to Jerry Hughes.  Going from Mack to Lawson is like going from an ultra modern, high-rise penthouse to a log cabin.

[whatdrought]

If the raiders are going to get to the point of trading him, then that means that they can't pay him. If they can't pay him then he isn't worth a whole lot because everyone in the league will know it. The honest truth is that if Mack is committed to not playing on his option, then he certainly wont play on the tag. And if that's the case, Oakland will be selling low while they can. 

[GunnerBill]

I also don't think it is happening but I do think dominant pass rusher is absolutely our #1 need. Jerry at his peak was good not great (he benefitted from having Mario at his peak opposite him) and Jerry is not at his peak anymore. I like Trent Murphy but he is a complimentary guy not a cornerstone guy. 

 

To me in the modern NFL if you can't rush the passer and do it without blitzing then even the most disciplined defense will eventually break down. 

 

I think receiver is need #1A but pass rusher, pass rusher, pass rusher. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Shaq and a 2020 1st.  Contract 15m per for 5 years.  75m total with 30 guaranteed. Probably wouldn't be enough but that's it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

33 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

MUT

 

 

 

Youll be hearing from my copyright attorney 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t even think we need a LB now. (IMO) Edmunds and Milano are young, fast, modern day LBs that will be the center of this defense for years to come.  I realize that Mack is a great player, but it’s a salary cap sport. Go trade for a WR. Don’t give something up for a player at a position of strength.

Disagree...our Pass rush was horrible last season. that is why they went out and paid big money for Murphy.  Anyways that was NOT the OPs question.   His question was simply as to what you would give to get Mack

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Disagree...our Pass rush was horrible last season. that is why they went out and paid big money for Murphy.  Anyways that was NOT the OPs question.   His question was simply as to what you would give to get Mack

Well then considering I said don’t give up something for a LB, I guess my answer to the question was I’d give nothing for Mack.

[PromoTheRobot]

The thing with trading for Mack isn't only about what he's worth in trade, it's what the Raiders can realistically get. If they aren't going to pay him he sits out 2018 and leaves, essentially leaving the Raiders with bupkis. Hughes and/or Lawson and a high pick is  better than nothing.

 

Plus who is calling the shots in Oakland? Gruden? How skilled a negotiator is he? Maybe he just wants to be done with Mack, pissing on his glorious debut season.

Edited August 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Ol Dirty B]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Jimmy G was no Mack when he was traded.  He was an unknown commodity.  Mack is already a proven defensive stud and rising star.

 

1.  Raiders are not going to trade him.

2.  That offer in the OP is terrible for us.  Why would we give up so much for him?  We got a lot of good players in the D front 7 including two very good looking rookies already.  

3.  We NEED to add offense and not spend so much on one defensive player.  Our D is set up real well right now, so we need the cap room and those draft picks to address the OL, WR, TE, and RB (McCoys up there in age).  

 

I would hate this crazy offer of a first and a 2nd and all that money for Mack, and I love Mack. Oddly, I am not even sure the Raiders would consider trading mack for that anyway.  

 

A lot of good players in the front 7? Who? I've been a defender of his but Hughes was non existent last year, Kyle is getting up there. Shaq looks like a bust, Starr, Murphy are unknowns. Milano is serviceable. Hopefully Edmunds pans out to be the guy we are excited for. Adolphus looks bust worthy also. Phillips, despite the love, looks 2nd string at this point behind a great aging player and an unknown.

 

What front 7 are you talking about? This isn't 2014.

39 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Well then considering I said don’t give up something for a LB, I guess my answer to the question was I’d give nothing for Mack.

 

I don't think it's feasible to get him, but I think it's hilarious you think we are set at LB. Also Mack can play DE.

 

Why give up anything for a top 3 or the best LB/DE in the game when I have a rookie and a fifth round pick who looked Ok last year?

Edited August 1, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

A lot of good players in the front 7? Who? I've been a defender of his but Hughes was non existent last year, Kyle is getting up there. Shaq looks like a bust, Starr, Murphy are unknowns. Milano is serviceable. Hopefully Edmunds pans out to be the guy we are excited for. Adolphus looks bust worthy also. Phillips, despite the love, looks 2nd string at this point behind a great aging player and an unknown.

 

What front 7 are you talking about? This isn't 2014.

 

I don't think it's feasible to get him, but I think it's hilarious you think we are set at LB. Also Mack can play DE.

 

Why give up anything for a top 3 or the best LB/DE in the game when I have a rookie and a fifth round pick who looked Ok last year?

 

Um, we have Star, Phillips, Edmunds, Hughes and Murphy for starters.  We dont need to trade away very valuable draft picks right now for more D personnel, not mention spend that much money on him as proposed, until we see what these guys can do together on the filed.  VERY PROMISING GROUP, especially with how sick our secondary is.  We have WAY bigger concerns and needs right now on offense, and we need those picks to protect our QB and get him some weapons, not to mention McCoy is on the wrong side of 30 now too.

[Doc Brown]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Um, we have Star, Phillips, Edmunds, Hughes and Murphy for starters.  We dont need to trade away very valuable draft picks right now for more D personnel, not mention spend that much money on him as proposed, until we see what these guys can do together on the filed.  VERY PROMISING GROUP, especially with how sick our secondary is.  We have WAY bigger concerns and needs right now on offense, and we need those picks to protect our QB and get him some weapons, not to mention McCoy is on the wrong side of 30 now too.

Hughes is 29 and hasn't had more than 6 sacks in a season since 2014.  Star and Phillips will hopefully eat space in the middle, but don't expect any pass rush from them.  Trent Murphy didn't play last year and it remains to be seen if he can return to 2016 form.

 

Mack is arguably the best defensive player in the NFL and would be an absolute stud on this defense for the next five plus years.  If the Raiders are crazy enough to trade him then the Bills should pursue him aggressively.  We'll still have money to upgrade our offense next year, but you don't pass up on a stud like that because it's not our most pressing area of need at the moment.  It's a pipe dream at this point, but Beane would be crazy to at least not make a phone call.

[Domdab99]

Do you give up a first for him? Hell yeah. He's a known stud. Know idea what our first round pick will do in the NFL. Mack is an obvious get. 

[ALF]

Always what if

 

 He is a fan of musicians Tim McGraw and Hanson.

 

Mack is an active Christian and spent much of his youth attending a church where his father and mother both served as deacons. Mack also enjoys spending time with his nieces, Malaysia, Maayana and Ma’kiyah, and counts his favorite film as The Sound of Music.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalil_Mack

[BruceVilanch]

4 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Do you give up a first for him? Hell yeah. He's a known stud. Know idea what our first round pick will do in the NFL. Mack is an obvious get. 

Completely agree, I doubt a first alone gets it done. rarely do players of his caliber at his age become available, if the FO thinks it's doable pull the trigger. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Youll be hearing from my copyright attorney 

 

Tell me what I’ve won Bob? 

[Wsam4031]

On ‎7‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 9:51 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Von Miller makes an average of $19 million a year.  Mack is not going to get $6-11,000,000 more than the highest paid OLB/DE.

thank you

On ‎7‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 12:12 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Totally realistic. 

I know right theyd need to add a 1st

[BillsMafia13]

This is a stupid question but does a coaches salary count against the cap also? 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BillsMafia13 said:

This is a stupid question but does a coaches salary count against the cap also? 

 

No.

[DCOrange]

I wouldn't trade a 1st for him. Obviously he's an awesome player, but if there's a chance the Raiders and Mack are splitting up next offseason, I'll take my chance on that happening and keep what I think is possibly a top 5 pick.

[Cornette's Commentary]

Just now, DCOrange said:

I wouldn't trade a 1st for him. Obviously he's an awesome player, but if there's a chance the Raiders and Mack are splitting up next offseason, I'll take my chance on that happening and keep what I think is possibly a top 5 pick.

Most fans would trade a 1st and much more, if need be.

[DCOrange]

6 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Most fans would trade a 1st and much more, if need be.

 

Just doesn't make sense to me at all. Thankfully I doubt Beane sees it that way too.

Edited August 1, 2018 by DCOrange

[nucci]

10 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I wouldn't trade a 1st for him. Obviously he's an awesome player, but if there's a chance the Raiders and Mack are splitting up next offseason, I'll take my chance on that happening and keep what I think is possibly a top 5 pick.

so you think the Bills only win 3-4 games this year?