Khalil Mack holding out... in Buffalo

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

To each there own. It’s clear we will never be able to have a discussion with out disagreement about Mack. Your statement saying he isn’t the best defensive player from that draft tells me that. Donald is close to being mentioned in the same breath. Clowney still has to show he can show up for more than a year or so. Barr is good but can’t be mentioned in the same breath as Mack. I’m a FSU fan by the way. I wasn’t a huge Mack fan while he was in college, but that has quickly changed. There’s one team I despise as much as the patriots it’s the raiders; I fine myself tuning in to watch Mack and think if only we had a GM with half a brain during 2014....

 

Oh I wish we had drafted Mack too and I would love him in Buffalo. But Aaron Donald is HANDS DOWN the best defensive player in that draft. He is the best defensive player in the NFL. Period. 

[bbb]

6 hours ago, McBean said:

This is a guy I'd feel comfortable spending a first rounder on.

 

6 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Multiple first rounders.  You want to give that up to watch Khalil Mack and a bunch of rubes on Sundays?

 

This may be the worst reading comprehension I've seen on this board. 

[Victory Formation]

DE is absolutely a position you spend top dollar on, that's just my opinion. A good DE can be a game changer.

[Dkollidas]

I honestly think he might sit out into the season, but ultimately he’ll play out this year, Raiders will Tab him and he’ll be traded during the 2019 off-season to a team that will pay top dollar.

[bbb]

15 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I honestly think he might sit out into the season, but ultimately he’ll play out this year,

 

Didn't take you long to change your mind on that. 

[PromoTheRobot]

14 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...would be an extremely tall tariff.....he actually hails from Ft Pierce FL and went to school at U of B.....

 

Okay, I'm going to be that guy....

 

It's actually U at B, for State University of New York at Buffalo. It was U of B until the 60s when the state absorbed the private school into the SUNY system.

 

Just stick with UB.

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Okay, I'm going to be that guy....

 

It's actually U at B, for State University of New York at Buffalo. It was U of B until the 60s when the state absorbed the private school into the SUNY system.

 

Just stick with UB.

It’s funny how zero people I’ve met who either don’t live or have never lived in WNY call it UB. They all call it “Buffalo”... which is annoying (to me). 

[PromoTheRobot]

52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s funny how zero people I’ve met who either don’t live or have never lived in WNY call it UB. They all call it “Buffalo”... which is annoying (to me). 

 

It's easy to understand why. On TV they are called Buffalo. It's says Buffalo on their uniforms. Only locals know it as UB. (They tried being 'New York' but the Buffalo News would not stand for it. Slap in the face, yadda yadda )

[YoloinOhio]

36 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It's easy to understand why. On TV they are called Buffalo. It's says Buffalo on their uniforms. Only locals know it as UB. (They tried being 'New York' but the Buffalo News would not stand for it. Slap in the face, yadda yadda )

I understand why it’s called that but it just annoys me every time, perhaps unjustified but it does 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I understand why it’s called that but it just annoys me every time, perhaps unjustified but it does 

 

One thing that's not a big deal that bothers me is when someone is talking about a game, they'll mention city for one team and then the team name for the other.

i.e Buffalo vs the Dolphins or Bills vs New England.  

 

The other is when they say the lower score first.

"What's the score?"

"10-17"

 

 

[bbb]

SUNYAB never really caught on.

[beerme1]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It's easy to understand why. On TV they are called Buffalo. It's says Buffalo on their uniforms. Only locals know it as UB. (They tried being 'New York' but the Buffalo News would not stand for it. Slap in the face, yadda yadda )

 

 

Rehashing old wounds?

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

 

Rehashing old wounds?

 

Just saying it was a stupid overreaction based stoked by the local inferiority complex.

 

But that ship has long sailed. Now the school is making a name for itself on the court and field.

Edited July 30, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Punching Bag]

On 7/26/2018 at 8:01 PM, Cornette's Commentary said:

"BEANE!!!!! GET OVER THERE AND TALK TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
- MAJBobby

 

If theMajorBoobie said that then he is not a Bills fan for that would quickly become a sanction from the league.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, bbb said:

SUNYAB never really caught on.

Sounds too much like George Jetson's nemesis 'UNIBLAB'.

[BillsMafia13]

22 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

This needs to stop.  Mack is not coming here.  Moreover, Beane is NOT going to give up multiple 2019 and 2020 picks to the Raiders for him.

Multiple first rounders.  You want to give that up to watch Khalil Mack and a bunch of rubes on Sundays?

You seem like the kind of guy who shows up to parties to start arguments with people just because you see them having too much fun.

[billsfan5121]

7 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

You seem like the kind of guy who shows up to parties to start arguments with people just because you see them having too much fun.

I agree.  It’s a discussion board discussing an elite player who is from the area, or at least went to college in the area.  I don’t think anyone truly believes that the Bills are gonna trade for him.  It’s just a discussion about a player who many fans wanted.  To tell people to stop taking about something on a forum designed to do just that is ridiculous.  If we were limited to talking about stuff we knew would happen, how boring would the draft have been, or talking about the upcoming season?  

 

That response is no different than me saying I think the Bills will win 10 games this year (I don’t) and someone saying I need to stop because it won’t happen.  Who cares?  

[BillsMafia13]

8 minutes ago, billsfan5121 said:

I agree.  It’s a discussion board discussing an elite player who is from the area, or at least went to college in the area.  I don’t think anyone truly believes that the Bills are gonna trade for him.  It’s just a discussion about a player who many fans wanted.  To tell people to stop taking about something on a forum designed to do just that is ridiculous.  If we were limited to talking about stuff we knew would happen, how boring would the draft have been, or talking about the upcoming season?  

 

That response is no different than me saying I think the Bills will win 10 games this year (I don’t) and someone saying I need to stop because it won’t happen.  Who cares?  

Exactly, anyone who gets angry about a post of says something demeaning to another poster are sad human beings.  Im a lifetime bills fan, which means everything about football has been hopes and fantasy up to last season.  People like Cornette just live miserable lives so they anonymously vent here.  Also, this is still basically dead time for football. Have some dang fun

Edited July 30, 2018 by BillsMafia13

[Pete]

I have hope that the Bills trade for Mack.   Seeing he has yet to speak with Gruden, the fact he is pissed that he was franchised, and it seems Khalil is quite fond of Buffalo.  This is not Hank Bullough Buffalo Bills.  I am buying what McDermott and Beane are selling.  And I surmise many players around league are as well.  What if Mack continues to hold out through week 2?  If Mack truly wants out of Oakland he can force it

 

Mack and Edmunds would be scary together.  With Mack and a healthy D, we might have best D in NFL IMO

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Sounds too much like George Jetson's nemesis 'UNIBLAB'.

 

[Augie]

I wouldn’t be in a hurry to play fro Gruden either....especially as a defensive player. On which side of the ball do you think Gruden will want to spend his dollars? 

[beerme1]

2 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

I think the Bills will win 10 games this year (I don’t)

 

 

Why not?

[Dkollidas]

15 hours ago, bbb said:

 

Didn't take you long to change your mind on that. 

 

What I meant is that he’ll hold out for a portion of the season, but ultimately play part of it.

 

Regardless, I don’t think he’ll be a Raider long term. 

[IgotBILLStopay]

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/No-End-Yet-in-Sight-for-Khalil-Macks-Holdout-489511471.html

Quote

“There is no progress. No optimism. No communication. And so, the holdout continues.”

 

Less optimism for Raiders - more optimism for fans of rest of NFL - also if a team has to give 60 mill + in guarantees to get Mack to play this season - that team aint giving up a first rounder for Mack (unless it is Pats or Eagles). That is a fair market value deal for a free agent signing. And if it does not take a first rounder, I think McBeane are in with a puncher's chance.

 

 

[4merper4mer]

On July 26, 2018 at 8:08 PM, Cornette's Commentary said:

And, from what other posters have said, he's still legitimately angry at the Front Office for taking Watkins instead of him 4 years ago.  VERY doubtful he ever comes here.

Ummmmmmmm

[26CornerBlitz]

Jon Gruden: Our defense wasn’t good last year, even with Khalil Mack

Raiders coach Jon Gruden has said repeatedly that he wants to get a contract done that will end Khalil Mack‘s holdout and bring the star pass rusher to camp, but Gruden also noted that even with Mack, Oakland’s defense will have plenty of work to do.

 

Gruden said on NFL Network that the Raiders’ defense wasn’t good enough last year, even with Mack, who is widely regarded as one of the league’s best defensive players.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Putin]

On 7/26/2018 at 7:16 PM, aristocrat said:

I mean what would the trade package be? Would a single first get it done? First and then a second?

1st and 2nd ?  And then $100 million !! 

What a bargain for a LB !!! 

[bbb]

14 minutes ago, Putin said:

1st and 2nd ?  And then $100 million !! 

What a bargain for a LB !!! 

 

But, he plays two positions at the same time - so you only have to pay 9 other defensive starters...

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Cornette's Commentary]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

<ring! ring!>
Gruden: Hello?
Beane: Hi, Jon.  Brandon Beane here from the Buffalo Bills.
Gruden: Hi, Brandon.  How are things going for you and Coach McDermott?
Beane:  Can't complain.  Everything's looking good.
Gruden: Glad to hear it.  What can I do for you?
Beane: Well, Jon, it's no secret that there's serious tension between the Raiders and Khalil Mack these days.
Gruden: Oh, really?  Ha ha ha.
Beane:  As you might know, Khalil formed a deep bond with the City of Buffalo and Western New York when he was here and he's even been at the University at Buffalo campus working out with their young players.
Gruden: Interesting.
Beane:  Now, the reason I'm calling, is because I wanted to get your thoughts on whether you would be willing to move Khalil for the right price.  Given where we feel our team is going, having built on last year's final push to the playoffs, and Khalil's affinity for Buffalo, we believe that a change of scenery would be good for him and beneficial to your team.
Gruden: Hmm.  Ok.  How about...your 1st and 2nd round picks in 2019, your 2020 1st and Jerry Hughes.  Does that sound fair?
Beane: That sounds more than fair.  I didn't sign Hughes to his current deal and he hasn't come CLOSE to double-digit sacks in the last 3 seasons.
Gruden: So, do we have a deal?
Beane: Deal.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

<ring! ring!>
Gruden: Hello?
Beane: Hi, Jon.  Brandon Beane here from the Buffalo Bills.
Gruden: Hi, Brandon.  How are things going for you and Coach McDermott?
Beane:  Can't complain.  Everything's looking good.
Gruden: Glad to hear it.  What can I do for you?
Beane: Well, Jon, it's no secret that there's serious tension between the Raiders and Khalil Mack these days.
Gruden: Oh, really?  Ha ha ha.
Beane:  As you might know, Khalil formed a deep bond with the City of Buffalo and Western New York when he was here and he's even been at the University at Buffalo campus working out with their young players.
Gruden: Interesting.
Beane:  Now, the reason I'm calling, is because I wanted to get your thoughts on whether you would be willing to move Khalil for the right price.  Given where we feel our team is going, having built on last year's final push to the playoffs, and Khalil's affinity for Buffalo, we believe that a change of scenery would be good for him and beneficial to your team.
Gruden: Hmm.  Ok.  How about...your 1st and 2nd round picks in 2019, your 2020 1st and Jerry Hughes.  Does that sound fair?
Beane: That sounds more than fair.  I didn't sign Hughes to his current deal and he hasn't come CLOSE to double-digit sacks in the last 3 seasons.
Gruden: So, do we have a deal?
Beane: Deal.

How about Hughes, Shaq and two 2nds?

[K-9]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

How about Hughes, Shaq and two 2nds?

I don't do that if I'm Oakland. My starting point is what we paid for Bennett back in the day and I'm not sure I want Hughes filling the role of Greg Bell as the player involved; he and Mack would be bookends like Bennett and Bruce. I wonder if we could find a third team to be involved like we did with Indy back then as well. Oakland could reap a draft windfall of picks if that were the case. 

 

All that said, Bennett was a missing piece that changed the power structure in the AFC East overnight whereas we aren't that one player away as currently constructed so it may not make as much sense for us to part with all those assets. But if any player is worth it, it's Mack.  

[PIZ]

1.  Indianapolis traded the rights to rookie linebacker Cornelius Bennett, a No. 1 draft choice out of Alabama whom it had not been able to sign, to Buffalo.

 

2.  Buffalo sent Greg Bell and the Bills' 1988 1st round pick, 1989 1st round pick, and 1989 second round pick to the Colts.

 

3.  The Colts then sent all they'd received from Buffalo, along with their own first-round draft pick in '88, their second-round choices in '88 and '89 and running back Owen Gill, to the Los Angeles Rams, who in turn packed Dickerson off to Indianapolis.

 

 

Could happen again.....................

 

 

[njbuff]

Lord knows the Bills want a pass rusher and they don’t get any better than the Buffalo Boy.

 

But at this point trading for him is a pipe dream.

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

1.  Indianapolis traded the rights to rookie linebacker Cornelius Bennett, a No. 1 draft choice out of Alabama whom it had not been able to sign, to Buffalo.

 

2.  Buffalo sent Greg Bell and the Bills' 1988 1st round pick, 1989 1st round pick, and 1989 second round pick to the Colts.

 

3.  The Colts then sent all they'd received from Buffalo, along with their own first-round draft pick in '88, their second-round choices in '88 and '89 and running back Owen Gill, to the Los Angeles Rams, who in turn packed Dickerson off to Indianapolis.

 

 

Could happen again.....................

 

 

 

The Bills were the biggest winners in that trade by a country mile, but I remember everyone saying the Bills got fleeced at the time of the trade.

 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

For a pass rusher like Mack I would give up a lot to get him. I think if we got him this year we have legitimate shot at a top 3 defense. He was the guy I thought for sure we traded up for when the Bills made that move, I wanted the Bills to draft this guy so badly.

[RPbillsfan]

If you were Brandon Beane, what would you offer the Raiders for Kahill Mack and then what type of contract would you offer.

 

My offer would be:

Shaq Lawson

2019 1st Round Pick

2020 2nd Round Pick

 

My offer to Mack

 

6 years, $120,000,000, $75,000,000 guaranteed, 42,000,000 signing bonus, yearly payouts and incentives if met would be around $15,500,000.

 

Locking him up for years 27-32, getting best of the present and overpaying probably last two years on the deal but my god what a D we would have.

 

Thoughts and feedback please

[Max Fischer]

Mack is very good but not that good. 

[YoloinOhio]

The hardest part of me isn’t the money - Bills are young and have money to spend plus the cap keeps going up and is fluid. The hard part for me is the high draft picks, because I think they need them to build up the offense around Allen. 

[Buffalo716]

It’s gonna take ALOT more than a First, Second , and Shaq Lawson

 

let alone a 2020 2nd

Edited July 31, 2018 by Buffalo716