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8 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

he would give us the best chance at winning next year. 

How's that work out for Washington? Long term Cousins is fools gold. You dont pay elite money to non elite players. Especially not QBs with the amount of salary cap they eat up.

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3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

yes we do have the money. 

 

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I swear.  It's like some people think if we don't sign Cousins we could sign JJ Watt, LeVeon Bell and Jalen Ramsey.

 

Did you both look at the cap including pending FAs, and the money needed to sign rookies this year? How about when we need to resign talent? Or you jus saying we have the money cuz its not ours so who gives a f.

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Just now, matter2003 said:

How's that work out for Washington? Long term Cousins is fools gold. You dont pay elite money to non elite players. Especially not QBs with the amount of salary cap they eat up.

 

you will see the skins lose more games than they did last year. the skins didn't have a very good team around cousins. their d was not good and like you have seen with brees the past few years and rivers...bad teams lose. even those two who are by all accounts franchise guys couldn't win by themselves. all of a sudden the saints get some great defensive players in the draft and same for the chargers and they win more than they did before. if the bills sign him and get some talent on that front 7 we will win a lot of games. 

3 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

Did you both look at the cap including pending FAs, and the money needed to sign rookies this year? How about when we need to resign talent? Or you jus saying we have the money cuz its not ours so who gives a f.

 

releasing tyrod gives us almost 50 mil in space. you make room for the qb number. it does make it harder but it's all about drafting and being creative. 

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11 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

How's that work out for Washington? Long term Cousins is fools gold. You dont pay elite money to non elite players. Especially not QBs with the amount of salary cap they eat up.

 

Within 3 years it won't be elite money. The salary cap keeps going up.

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17 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

Did you both look at the cap including pending FAs, and the money needed to sign rookies this year? How about when we need to resign talent? Or you jus saying we have the money cuz its not ours so who gives a f.

 

 

Cutting / trading Tyrod and the hit from Wood leave us at about $41 mil in cap space.  A base salary restructure on Cordy Glenn gets us to $48 mil in cap space.

 

Our rookies require about $ 8 mil in cap space.

 

I would be surprised if we were major FA players, Beane has said he values comp picks.  Outside of EJ Gaines, most all our FAs are guys from the previous regime who aren't great system fits.  

 

And that's just simple salary cap math, there are several other options available.

 

So yeah, I think we can sign Cousins, with our draft picks, keep Gaines or other FAs of ours we want to or sign a few mid level, cheap FAs, the type of guys McBeane would be looking at anyways.

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14 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

you will see the skins lose more games than they did last year. the skins didn't have a very good team around cousins. their d was not good and like you have seen with brees the past few years and rivers...bad teams lose. even those two who are by all accounts franchise guys couldn't win by themselves. all of a sudden the saints get some great defensive players in the draft and same for the chargers and they win more than they did before. if the bills sign him and get some talent on that front 7 we will win a lot of games. 

 

releasing tyrod gives us almost 50 mil in space. you make room for the qb number. it does make it harder but it's all about drafting and being creative. 

 

Cousins has never won a playoff game. Even when Cousins had an top shelf WR and TE rpster he didnt get passed the WC round.

 

I understand why Bills fans wana sign cousins. Its an easy fix to a position that we havent really filled since JKelly retired.

 

I disagree tho, id rather we trade up and take our shot at one of the top 3 QBs this draft.

 

New regime, new OC, draft capital to move up,  its the perfect time, and we can use the cap space that would've went to Cousins, to instead bring in good solid vets at positions on the OL and  front 7 where it takes rookies a while to get good at. LBs can play well right off the bus but it taes a while for OL and DT in most cases.

 

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Cutting / trading Tyrod and the hit from Wood leave us at about $41 mil in cap space.  A base salary restructure on Cordy Glenn gets us to $48 mil in cap space.

 

Our rookies require about $ 8 mil in cap space.

 

I would be surprised if we were major FA players, Beane has said he values comp picks.  Outside of EJ Gaines, most all our FAs are guys from the previous regime who aren't great system fits.  

 

And that's just simple salary cap math, there are several other options available.

 

So yeah, I think we can sign Cousins, with our draft picks, keep Gaines or other FAs of ours we want to or sign a few mid level, cheap FAs, the type of guys McBeane would be looking at anyways.

 

 

Well see how it plays out.

 

This is Beanes 1st year as GM. Lets see what he does.

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1 minute ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Cousins has never won a playoff game. Even when Cousins had an top shelf WR and TE rpster he didnt get passed the WC round.

 

I understand why Bills fans wana sign cousins. Its an easy fix to a position that we havent really filled since JKelly retired.

 

I disagree tho, id rather we trade up and take our shot at one of the top 3 QBs this draft.

 

New regime, new OC, draft capital to move up,  its the perfect time, and we can use the cap space that would've went to Cousins, to instead bring in good solid vets at positions on the OL and  front 7 where it takes rookies a while to get good at. LBs can play well right off the bus but it taes a while for OL and DT in most cases.

 

 

oh i'd love to trade up and get baker or one of those guys i just don't think it's happening and plenty of other teams need qbs so they will be willing to trade as well. i'd love to be able to use that cap space to sign other free agents to fill holes. problem is the draft is after free agency. 

 

he lost to green bay in the wild card round when his defense couldn't stop the packers. you underestimate the impact a great defense has on the team. give him a defense and look out. he played really well in that playoff game.

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If we get Cousins, who I'm not high on given his lack of production relative to his age and cost, I still want a QB in the 1st.  Let that guy learn from Cousins, backup Cousins and/or compete with Peterman.  

 

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The way i took mayocks response about cousins was that he wasn’t enamored with Jackson and rudolph and was maybe politely suggesting the bills take a look at cousins instead of going in on one of them as their qb. I was half listening but that’s the way i took it.

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28 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Within 3 years it won't be elite money. The salary cap keeps going up.

That's the same kind of thinking that got people in trouble in the real estate market.

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Just now, zevo said:

The way i took mayocks response about cousins was that he wasn’t enamored with Jackson and rudolph and was maybe politely suggesting the bills take a look at cousins instead of going in on one of them as their qb. I was half listening but that’s the way i took it.

 

You could be right....but, I didn't take it that way at all. In fact, Mayock went on to do a nice job of indicating what both Jackson and Rudolph brought to the QB table and to me, gave Rudolph a bit of an edge in terms of traditional QB readiness but also said Jackson is the most talented dual threat QB he's ever seen and specifically mentioned Vick as a guy he recalls being incredible. 

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45 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

Thanks for posting this. The audio is up.

 

It was just a speculative comment IMO.

 

We dont have the $ to pay out 30 mill a year for QB

 

I like what he said about Baker. I hppe that doesnt stop McBeane from drafting him tho.

Why do you say that? There are so many ways to structure a contract to make them fit....plus cap is expected to increase again for next season

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I like Mayock for what he brings in his role as a media analyst, but that’s as far as it goes. He is not a scout and doesn’t possess a fraction of the insight on all these players as scouts and other personnel evaluators do. It’s just not his full time gig. I take everything he says with a grain of salt. From Sanchez over Stafford to Gabbert over Newton and the many players at positions in between over the years, his “evaluations” leave a lot to be desired. 

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1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

do you hate the idea of success?

 

Cousins has been doing as much winning as Taylor over the last three years. The guy may be able to throw the ball a lot but success has been limited. 

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1 minute ago, nucci said:

Why do you say that? There are so many ways to structure a contract to make them fit....plus cap is expected to increase again for next season

 

I thought maybe we invest in a few monsters for our front 7 in FA and some OL and WR help.

 

Use picks 21 22 and cordy glenn to move up and grab one of the top 3.

 

I dont wanna get handicapped to that contact and then we cant sign and resign players we need.

 

Im  also sick of us taking the 4th best prospect like Losman or continually bringing in other teams throwaway QBs like Fitz (Fitz Rules tho) Bledsoe Rob Johnson etc.

 

12 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

oh i'd love to trade up and get baker or one of those guys i just don't think it's happening and plenty of other teams need qbs so they will be willing to trade as well. i'd love to be able to use that cap space to sign other free agents to fill holes. problem is the draft is after free agency. 

 

he lost to green bay in the wild card round when his defense couldn't stop the packers. you underestimate the impact a great defense has on the team. give him a defense and look out. he played really well in that playoff game.

 

You could be right, its been said Beane likes to build through the draft,  so well see.

 

I could see him staying pat and taking Rudolph at 21.

 

I could see him trying to get Cousins and stocking our roster with our draft.

 

Bean scouted a lot of QBs this year.  I really think if they find a trade partner they will trade up for Rosen, Darnold, and maybe Mayfield.

 

Even tho I think Mayfield might be the best of the 3 rite now, i think McBean wants a QB more in the mold of a Rosen or Rudolph, strait pocket passers.

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1 minute ago, FearLess Price said:

 

I thought maybe we invest in a few monsters for our front 7 in FA and some OL and WR help.

 

Use picks 21 22 and cordy glenn to move up and grab one of the top 3.

 

I dont wanna get handicapped to that contact and then we cant sign and resign players we need.

 

Im  also sick of us taking the 4th best prospect like Losman or continually bringing in other teams throwaway QBs like Fitz (Fitz Rules tho) Bledsoe Rob Johnson etc.

 

 

 

Your idea works as well. Just saying they can sign Cousins and draft well and still be ok. Not saying that's what i want but it can be done.

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I just don't get people who continue to view qb as the cheap option if there is ever a position you spend big money on it's the QB position without your team is just mucking thru the seasons.  I hear the biggest argument is they would rather spend the money on other positions, well sorry but without a QB your chances of playoffs go down hrmmm maybe there is a team who missed the playoffs for 17yrs because they brought in big FA other than a QB that was worth something.

 

Cousins would be a welcome addition to this team and they can fill other positions with the draft.

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18 minutes ago, Dr. Fong said:

That's the same kind of thinking that got people in trouble in the real estate market.

 

How did we go from the NFL salary cap to real estate?

13 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Cousins has been doing as much winning as Taylor over the last three years. The guy may be able to throw the ball a lot but success has been limited. 

 

Tyrod has a better career record than Drew Brees had from 2014 to 2016.

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12 minutes ago, nucci said:

Your idea works as well. Just saying they can sign Cousins and draft well and still be ok. Not saying that's what i want but it can be done.

 

 

If it can be done without handicapping other positions we need, ER, DT, LBs, CB2, OG,OT, we would instantly become contenders again. 

 

I hope the big money doesnt make him flop, or lose his motivation kinda like what happened with Dareus.

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1 minute ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

If it can be done without handicapping other positions we need, ER, DT, LBs, CB2, OG,OT, we would instantly become contenders again. 

 

I hope the big money doesnt make him flop, or lose his motivation kinda like what happened with Dareus.

unfortunately, that is a risk with the kind of money available

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47 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Cutting / trading Tyrod and the hit from Wood leave us at about $41 mil in cap space.  A base salary restructure on Cordy Glenn gets us to $48 mil in cap space.

 

Our rookies require about $ 8 mil in cap space.

 

I would be surprised if we were major FA players, Beane has said he values comp picks.  Outside of EJ Gaines, most all our FAs are guys from the previous regime who aren't great system fits.  

 

And that's just simple salary cap math, there are several other options available.

 

So yeah, I think we can sign Cousins, with our draft picks, keep Gaines or other FAs of ours we want to or sign a few mid level, cheap FAs, the type of guys McBeane would be looking at anyways.

Rookies don't really require 8 million because you only count the top 51 contracts on the roster in the offseason..as these rookies will be pushing other players our of the top 51, its actually 8 million minus the value of the contracts of the players pushed out of the top 51. Usually this ewuates to about 2 million which means in reality we need about 6 million or a little less.

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Whatever they think is the solution to their QB problem, I'll support it. If that means backing up the Brinks truck for Cousins, fine. If it means trading a bunch of picks to get inside the top five of the first round, that's fine too. If they stay put and wait to see which QBs are on the board at 21 and 22 and go that route, so be it. It's a "wait and see" approach I have with this regime but so far I'm encouraged by what I hear and seeing how well the trades they made last year worked out is also a positive sign.

 

The one thing I will say that I don't think is very likely is the trading of Cordy Glenn. Not in the way that some people think. He's damaged goods at the moment so his value probably isn't very high. Foot injuries on any player are bad news but they're especially rough on a 6'6" 340 lb. left tackle. I do think they'll end up moving on from him due to Beane wanting to open up as much cap space as possible but I don't think they'll score anything more than a 4th or 5th round pick at best just because whichever team is interested is gonna have to make sure their doctors clear him.

 

They also value their draft picks. I think something pretty special is gonna have to come across their table in order for them to give up a number of picks to move up. 

 

Could go a lot of different ways, it'll be interesting (and hopefully exciting) to see how it all shakes out.

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