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Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what?

 

Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies.

 

NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles.

 

People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks.

 

This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY

This is the only move im happy about. You are right the real Bills... I dont know when but I am waiting. My heart cant take any more dissapointment. I think thats why I dont care. I want a good show who competes on all facets of the game. I wish they would have just made a move in the off season and we could have taken our punishment this year. Edited by Agent 91
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Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what?

 

Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies.

 

NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles.

 

People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks.

 

This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY

Sounds like you're.... concerned?

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I find it is a good idea not to make new threads or post too much when I am emotional over a decision the Bills just made. Just saying is all...

 

And IMO there is no way you can say Beane is in the top 3 worst GM's when he hasn't even made a single draft pick yet. He hired a top notch scouting and personnel staff (on paper). IMO it looks to be the best front office/scouting staff we've had in a long time. This team will be built through the draft. So until we see how they build through the draft we can't really judge.

 

Plus as of now I really trust McDermott and he trusts Beane.

We also know that McD has been trying to trade Dareus since the offseason. From what I've read there is good reason. Dareus wasn't buying in, wasn't putting in the work, had to have Kyle Williams telling him the play calls and what he's supposed to be doing. That's unacceptable at his salary level. There was obviously things going on behind the scenes that we were not privy to...

 

IMO You need your highest paid players to be leaders on the team, because they are usually going to be looked at as leaders anyway just because of their salary.

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One of the worst GM's in history has taken the Bills out of salary cap purgatory and he hasn't even been here a year yet. Nice job beanie boy!

Losing all of these "great players" and McD has them playing at a playoff level. The future looks bright... :flirt:

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I got to agree with you to a certain degree.

 

I didn't mind the other trades, but this one doesn't make much sense to me.

 

I know they are trying to get rid of cap space, but still....

 

They are 4-2 and in the middle of a playoff race and they traded a starting DT for a 6th round pick.

 

I dont think Dareus is even close to playing at a probowl level, but nevertheless he is one of their best options at DT, and at worse he provides great depth.

 

In saying that, It is way too early to say he is a horrible GM but I really did not like this move

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Damn. You can't and won't ever win with selfish, stupid, and lazy players. Pure raw talent is useless without drive, passion motivation, intelligence, and commitment to teamwork. Dareus is a child. And he's has not dominated as he should given his talent so you can't overlook transgressions when they're no dominate. LT was a drunk and coke head but he dominated so the Giants looked the other way and paid him. I't not advocating that, but saying that it's easier to look the other way when a guy with god given talent dominates. Dareus just isn't worth it. Watkins was outshined by Woods here and is again in LA. Ragland and Darby were scheme none-fits and Cardale was a project.

 

This is the Patriots methods, which I have watched and appreciated for years. Create a culture of accountability, responsibility and professionalism. Treat players like adults and draft smart, committed, intelligent players who hate to lose and are willing to put in the time and effort to earn their paychecks. Pure athletic talent absent brains is useless. More Tre Whites, less Marcel Dareus'.

 

How many first round athletic freaks do you need to see flame our here before you realize that it's more than a 40 time? Mike Williams, Leodis McKelvin, Erik Flowers, JP Losman, CJ Spiller, Aaron Maybin, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch... all since 2000. All physically gifted, all sucked.

 

Too large of contingent of football fans are brawn over brains, emotion over ration. Finally we have a GM and coach on the same page with a clear plan to build a winner. Let it play out. If we get a QB, this model works.

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I have no problem with letting Dareus go but I do believe that he should have held out for more than a sixth round pick. At least tell me that it's a conditional pick that could end up being a 4th based on performance and usage.

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Get a grip. The Bills now have have considerable cap flexibility, they have good players that fit their systems, have stockpiled 10 picks and they are frggin are 4-2, with have a decent chance at the playoffs. At worse, Beane is a good GM.

I got to agree with you to a certain degree.

 

I didn't mind the other trades, but this one doesn't make much sense to me.

 

I know they are trying to get rid of cap space, but still....

 

They are 4-2 and in the middle of a playoff race and they traded a starting DT for a 6th round pick.

 

I dont think Dareus is even close to playing at a probowl level, but nevertheless he is one of their best options at DT, and at worse he provides great depth.

 

In saying that, It is way too early to say he is a horrible GM but I really did not like this move

Barely starting and not even remotely playing to his contract. Several DTs have out played him or matched his performance, he’s one toke from a one year suspension and if we think he’s average now, what would the Bills get for him in a year or two (and tens o millions dollars later)?

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#Bills GM Brandon Beane said if they cannot trade Anquan Boldin, that he has no plans of releasing the player from his contract.

The Bills will save $5.73 million off their 2017 salary cap and $2.375 million off their 2018 salary cap. 2019-21 years get wiped out.

 

Absolutely brilliant! :thumbsup:

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Damn. You can't and won't ever win with selfish, stupid, and lazy players. Pure raw talent is useless without drive, passion motivation, intelligence, and commitment to teamwork. Dareus is a child. And he's has not dominated as he should given his talent so you can't overlook transgressions when they're no dominate. LT was a drunk and coke head but he dominated so the Giants looked the other way and paid him. I't not advocating that, but saying that it's easier to look the other way when a guy with god given talent dominates. Dareus just isn't worth it. Watkins was outshined by Woods here and is again in LA. Ragland and Darby were scheme none-fits and Cardale was a project.

 

This is the Patriots methods, which I have watched and appreciated for years. Create a culture of accountability, responsibility and professionalism. Treat players like adults and draft smart, committed, intelligent players who hate to lose and are willing to put in the time and effort to earn their paychecks. Pure athletic talent absent brains is useless. More Tre Whites, less Marcel Dareus'.

 

How many first round athletic freaks do you need to see flame our here before you realize that it's more than a 40 time? Mike Williams, Leodis McKelvin, Erik Flowers, JP Losman, CJ Spiller, Aaron Maybin, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch... all since 2000. All physically gifted, all sucked.

 

Too large of contingent of football fans are brawn over brains, emotion over ration. Finally we have a GM and coach on the same page with a clear plan to build a winner. Let it play out. If we get a QB, this model works.

Willis was decent
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I have no problem with letting Dareus go but I do believe that he should have held out for more than a sixth round pick. At least tell me that it's a conditional pick that could end up being a 4th based on performance and usage.

I'm with you - why even bother for such a low pick? Better to just keep him in the rotation through this season. He's been disappointing, but he's still a better DT than anyone on the team not named Kyle Williams. I would rather have his services now and straight up cut him in the off-season, than lose him for a likely-meaningless draft pick.

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How many first round athletic freaks do you need to see flame our here before you realize that it's more than a 40 time? Mike Williams, Leodis McKelvin, Erik Flowers, JP Losman, CJ Spiller, Aaron Maybin, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch... all since 2000. All physically gifted, all sucked.

Willis McGahee was a good RB in this league for many years and Lynch was an All Pro who helped Seattle win a SB. I don't think they by any means "sucked".

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Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what?

 

Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies.

 

NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles.

 

People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks.

 

This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY

None of the trades are for this season. These guys are thinking longer term.

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I think we have to see.

 

I think the worst case is the Bills lean too far on character, work ethic, worried too much about Special Teams and getting into 3rd and manageable to ever really make enough plays in big games to win. Right now they are getting by with Mike Tolbert, Ramon Humber, Vlad Ducasse, Jordan Matthews as the number one. Does this Staff/FO overrate brotherhood and underrate talent over the long run.

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Wow, I am not surprised he was traded, yet I am surprised we didn’t get someone like Yeldone ( rb) thrown in with 6 th ,possible 5 th round pick. That’s just my opinion comparing to what we got for trading Darby who doesn’t have the experience that MD has. The other thing that slightly concerns me is that the Jags have a very good pass rushing front 4 so adding Dareus will help shore up their run D since I think it’s evident he is not going to be relied upon for sacks at this point. The jags are much like we are this year, relying mostly on their D and we might be competing for a wild card spot this year if both teams keep playing at their current levels. I am good with getting rid of MD given his play now for the Bills, but would have rather seen him traded to a team not in contention for the same wild card position. MD will quickly find out there is no being late for anything given Coughlins presence back down here, so we can hope Dareus continues to be Dareus which is possible, or he finds out it’s pretty easy to get into plenty of distractions believe it or not in Jacksonville. It’s not the same place, red neck, good ol boy town it was when I moved here from Ohio in ‘85 to start my medical Career.

 

How do you guys think this will make the Bills better this year ? Just asking as a long time Bills fan; I don’t think the cap space means that much now or next year,and with an open roster spot who would you like to see added? We are really thin In the D backfield which I think will hurt us this week unfortunately. That seems a likely move to me even with the glaring receiver need as well. They probably need bodies there despite the latest addition cb who will take some time to fit in the current scheme. Any news on Streater since the workout? I think he would get snaps more quickly ( wr, special teams) having been at training camp, as opposed to someone from a different practice squad for example. Lots of smart posters here and I’m jus interested in your thoughts ? ( I haven’t seen any other moves yet, so sorry if I missed that )

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Wow, I am not surprised he was traded, yet I am surprised we didn’t get someone like Yeldone ( rb) thrown in with 6 th ,possible 5 th round pick. That’s just my opinion comparing to what we got for trading Darby who doesn’t have the experience that MD has. The other thing that slightly concerns me is that the Jags have a very good pass rushing front 4 so adding Dareus will help shore up their run D since I think it’s evident he is not going to be relied upon for sacks at this point. The jags are much like we are this year, relying mostly on their D and we might be competing for a wild card spot this year if both teams keep playing at their current levels. I am good with getting rid of MD given his play now for the Bills, but would have rather seen him traded to a team not in contention for the same wild card position. MD will quickly find out there is no being late for anything given Coughlins presence back down here, so we can hope Dareus continues to be Dareus which is possible, or he finds out it’s pretty easy to get into plenty of distractions believe it or not in Jacksonville. It’s not the same place, red neck, good ol boy town it was when I moved here from Ohio in ‘85 to start my medical Career.

 

How do you guys think this will make the Bills better this year ? Just asking as a long time Bills fan; I don’t think the cap space means that much now or next year,and with an open roster spot who would you like to see added? We are really thin In the D backfield which I think will hurt us this week unfortunately. That seems a likely move to me even with the glaring receiver need as well. They probably need bodies there despite the latest addition cb who will take some time to fit in the current scheme. Any news on Streater since the workout? I think he would get snaps more quickly ( wr, special teams) having been at training camp, as opposed to someone from a different practice squad for example. Lots of smart posters here and I’m jus interested in your thoughts ? ( I haven’t seen any other moves yet, so sorry if I missed that )

 

How the hell do you compare a 2 yr DB like Darby who has no discipline issues, a relatively modest contract, and just was not a good fit for the defense with a 6 year veteran who is one screw up away from a full season suspension, grossly overpaid (highest paid), and gives almost no effort?

 

Comical.

 

We were lucky to get a sixth rounder (conditional fifth) for getting out from under that dumpster fire. It makes us better by jettisoning a locker room cancer. This team is all heart. When your highest paid player is a half ass, that is not a plus

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Wow, I am not surprised he was traded, yet I am surprised we didn’t get someone like Yeldone ( rb) thrown in with 6 th ,possible 5 th round pick. That’s just my opinion comparing to what we got for trading Darby who doesn’t have the experience that MD has. The other thing that slightly concerns me is that the Jags have a very good pass rushing front 4 so adding Dareus will help shore up their run D since I think it’s evident he is not going to be relied upon for sacks at this point. The jags are much like we are this year, relying mostly on their D and we might be competing for a wild card spot this year if both teams keep playing at their current levels. I am good with getting rid of MD given his play now for the Bills, but would have rather seen him traded to a team not in contention for the same wild card position. MD will quickly find out there is no being late for anything given Coughlins presence back down here, so we can hope Dareus continues to be Dareus which is possible, or he finds out it’s pretty easy to get into plenty of distractions believe it or not in Jacksonville. It’s not the same place, red neck, good ol boy town it was when I moved here from Ohio in ‘85 to start my medical Career.

How do you guys think this will make the Bills better this year ? Just asking as a long time Bills fan; I don’t think the cap space means that much now or next year,and with an open roster spot who would you like to see added? We are really thin In the D backfield which I think will hurt us this week unfortunately. That seems a likely move to me even with the glaring receiver need as well. They probably need bodies there despite the latest addition cb who will take some time to fit in the current scheme. Any news on Streater since the workout? I think he would get snaps more quickly ( wr, special teams) having been at training camp, as opposed to someone from a different practice squad for example. Lots of smart posters here and I’m jus interested in your thoughts ? ( I haven’t seen any other moves yet, so sorry if I missed that )

How do I think it will make the Bills better?

 

Easy.

 

It will give playing time to someone that will give an honest effort.

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Get a grip. The Bills now have have considerable cap flexibility, they have good players that fit their systems, have stockpiled 10 picks and they are frggin are 4-2, with have a decent chance at the playoffs. At worse, Beane is a good GM.

 

Barely starting and not even remotely playing to his contract. Several DTs have out played him or matched his performance, hes one toke from a one year suspension and if we think hes average now, what would the Bills get for him in a year or two (and tens o millions dollars later)?

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Dareus obviously didn't fit in with the process, but a sixth round draft choice doesnt do much for me. Id rather just have held onto him, and hope that he could display an occasional burst of his true potential.

No one mentions that perhaps an owner didn't want to pay Marcel 10 million dollars for being near non-existent on the field. Dead cap hit is different than actually a hit to the wallet and the bottom line.

 

If Pegs came to Beane and said "get rid of this guy." Could you fault him? What of it was your 10 million dollars?

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Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what?

 

Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies.

 

NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles.

 

People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks.

 

This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY

Where is this Pro Bowl DT in his prime? Because the last I saw such a thing the calendar said "2014."

 

EDIT: This is the first GM we've had who seems to understand player value, team control/free agency, and the salary cap. Already one of the best GMs in Bills history if you ask me. You were paying Dareus - a guy who at best (as PFF has him this year) is "above average" in a part-time role at this stage of his career - as if he really is the dominant 2014 guy. The last GM/coach dug us a a huge hole with some asinine long term contracts, and somehow Beane is managing to slowly work his way back to the surface. 2017? Really, Dareus hadn't contributed much, so it's at most a slight hit. 2018? This opens up all kinds of options that weren't there when Beane was burdened with that huge contract. I wasn't alone in calling Dareus and his contract "unmoveable" earlier this season. Guess what? Beane just moved it.

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Six games. Six games and he has yet to run a draft, and he's already a failure.

 

Not sure what took some people so long. I was hearing he was a failure in the first quarter of the second preseason game.

 

Still not sure how so many posters on a football team message board aren't GMs of a professional football franchise.

 

Real head-scratcher there.

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Too soon.

I do like the fact that McDermott and Beane are in it together and on the same page. That is a change from anything we have seen in awhile. Two young intelligent guys sharing a common vision. Time and a little luck will prove them right...I hope.

 

Bingo

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I've got Polian, Butler and Levy as my worst 3 Bills GMs ever. Donahoe as #4.

 

I think Beane is doing a fine job.

 

How the hell you have that pecking order is beyond me. Beane is doing a great job, but without a draft under his belt this is how I have them stacked in the last 20 years or so...

 

Polian > Butler > Beane > Donahoe > Nix > Whaley > Levy > Russ

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