Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: I haven’t seen the money but I like him if he’s around 2M- good special teamer, has size. Can make plays downfield. He’s not great but he’s good competition for WR5-6 I think it's likely a small guaranteed number. If he can't beat out shorter- then you cut Hollins, and the guarantee is essentially tacked onto shorters cap hit. You lose probably less than 1M in cap space, and shorter has to stay healthy and outplay Hollins. Edited March 13 by Bleeding Bills Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Now you are being completely ridiculous. Moves like this make it even more likely we are drafting WR round 1. Ok. With this HC and his love for his notational DEs I’m not so sure. Hope I’m wrong. I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong this time. And I’ll be praising them that they FINALLY drafted an early WR for Allen. Until then I’ll have my doubts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) As a WR 5 this guy should be able to contribute. He may be wierd but hes also football smart. Quarterback friendly. Good hands. A very good blocker. Kroger will love him. He’s better than Sherfield or Kumerow. Like Morrow a good signing. I expect the Bills to draft 2 WRs. 7 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I think it's likely a small guaranteed number. If he can't beat out shorter- then you cut him, and the guarantee is essentially tacked onto shorters cap hit. He will for sure beat out Shorter imo. Edited March 13 by starrymessenger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Cray51 said: You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon! Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining Not a fan of the tex mex, but I am a sucker for Rachel's Mediterranean Grill... It is so overpriced but it is so amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, starrymessenger said: As a WR 4 or 5 this guy should be able to contribute. He may be wierd but hes also football smart. Quarterback friendly. Good hands. A very good blocker. Kroger will love him. He’s better than Sherfield or Kumerow. Like Morrow a good signing. I expect the Bills to draft 2 WRs. He will for sure beat out Shorter imo. Then you upgraded at ST gunner and WR5/6. And when factoring in Hollins number, you then subtract shorters 875K because he essentially replaces him in the calculation for the 53. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: First, its not a base of $3 million. Second, we don’t sign more castoffs than anyone else. ESPN literally had a the graph of 2022 where we had the most draft picks playing than any other team. Literally #1. McDermott must really be a good coach if he take take a team to the playoffs if we have the most castoff filled roster. I never said it was a $3 mil base in any post, it can be up to this amount per ESPN and Yahoo sports. Still wasted money on a player that should not have been signed. They commit money in a contract signing versus drafting someone for the same purpose and if a rookie can't make the team there is no lost revenue. Instead of being stuck with someone that will be on the bench. Let me rephrase cast off players to just players no one would sign for the money that Buffalo paid them to come here and play, these money pit contracts have been a habit of this ownership and GM for 7 years. Oh wait a minute, I hear that name coming again!!! Von who????? Enough said..... Edited March 13 by Toyo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: From what I heard on the radio the reason they didn't want to rework Josh's contract more is the hope is go get to a point where they don't have to restructure a lot of contracts for cap reasons. Thanks, Jrb, I hope it works out that way. I can still remember all of the excitement before we landed Mario Williams. It’s fun to be in the fight to land a big fish that can change the season (please no one bring up Von “DV” Miller). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Toyo321 said: I never said it was a $3 mil base in any post, it can be up to this amount per ESPN and Yahoo sports. Still wasted money on a player that should not have been signed. They commit money in a contract signing versus drafting someone for the same purpose and if rookie can't make the team there is no lost revenue. Instead of being stuck with someone that will be on the bench. Let me rephrase cast off players to just players no one would sign for the money that Buffalo paid them to come here and play, these money pit contracts have been all habit of this ownership and GM for 7 years. Oh wait a minute, I hear that name coming again!!! Von who????? Enough said..... Lets play the cap math game... Say its a 1.5M cap hit, incentives to bring it up to 3 (playing time, stats, gameday actives). Signing him pushes a rookie deal off the 53 man calculation. A rookie deal is ~800K. So now you have added 700K in cap hit to the balance sheet. It barely registers. Factor in say... 500k is guaranteed. If they cut him, they add 500K to the balance sheet, when they bring back the ~800K rookie contract at the bottom of the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 16 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: 6th best is simply your guess...it doesn't mean 5 will go before we pick, and it certainly doesn't mean the ones drated ahead will be better picks. And also...in a deep class, the sixth player drafted at his position might be a really good player. You're being a Debbie Downer when there are plenty of reasons to be positive and excited. The last time there was a wr class this deep the 6th wr taken was Brandon Aiyuk and the 7th was Tee Higgins. But the "5th" best wr was taken where the Bills would have picked, and that was Justin Jefferson. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said: Thanks, Jrb, I hope it works out that way. I can still remember all of the excitement before we landed Mario Williams. It’s fun to be in the fight to land a big fish that can change the season (please no one bring up Von “DV” Miller). They kept the band together for 2 extra seasons. There was a double down with von 2 seasons ago. Then last season they brought back poyer, phillips, lawson, and didn't make moves with players like hyde, neal, and morse. All of those things were done essentially with future cap space. Now we're feeling that cap crunch. By ripping the bandaid off this year, and generally trying to prevent borrowing on future cap, you can identify your window to potentially swim a bit more into free agency and trades. The key is to draft well, and get contributors on those rookie deals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Motorin' said: The last time there was a wr class this deep the 6th wr taken was Brandon Aiyuk and the 7th was Tee Higgins. But the "5th" best wr was taken where the Bills would have picked, and that was Justin Jefferson. That was such a weird draft too. Everyone expected 3 WRs off the board in the top 10 and it ended up being 0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 If Beane is loading up on guys like Hollins, Morrow, and Cam Lewis, please bring back Ty Johnson a dude who actually helped us win games at the end of the year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 28 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: 6th best is simply your guess...it doesn't mean 5 will go before we pick, and it certainly doesn't mean the ones drated ahead will be better picks. And also...in a deep class, the sixth player drafted at his position might be a really good player. You're being a Debbie Downer when there are plenty of reasons to be positive and excited. And those reasons are? Right now we are worse off than last year and we hope an answer at WR comes in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLCoolCy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The last time there was a wr class this deep the 6th wr taken was Brandon Aiyuk and the 7th was Tee Higgins. But the "5th" best wr was taken where the Bills would have picked, and that was Justin Jefferson. Got me curious 2020 draft. 2020 draft WR taken: 1) pick 11 Henry Ruggs III 2) pick 15 Jerry Juedy 3) pick 17 CeDee Lamb 4) pick 21 Jalen Regor 5) pick 22 Justin Jefferson 6) pick 25 Brandon Aiyuk 7) pick 33 Tee Higgins 8 pick 34 Michael Pitman https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/draft.htm Some good some bad... though I think it took a while for all of them to play at a consistent level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is a Trent Sherfield level signing. I really hope this isn't the end of our WR free agent shopping. This has nothing to do with our passing game, he is a great run blocker. I hope this is not the end of receiver signings as you mentioned Las Vegas Raiders WR Mack Hollins is a Swiss-Army-Knife Sports Illustrated https://www.si.com › nfl › raiders › news › las-vegas-ra... Oct 25, 2022 — Pro Football Focus has Hollins as the highest graded run-blocker among eligible wide receivers (84.2 grade). With help of Hollins' run blocking ... I just hope were not going to continue to throw all resources at our defence so Mcdermott can play ground and pound football. Never winning anything that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 How come we didn’t sign a stud all pro reciever???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: This has nothing to do with our passing game, he is a great run blocker. I hope this is not the end of receiver signings as you mentioned Las Vegas Raiders WR Mack Hollins is a Swiss-Army-Knife Sports Illustrated https://www.si.com › nfl › raiders › news › las-vegas-ra... Oct 25, 2022 — Pro Football Focus has Hollins as the highest graded run-blocker among eligible wide receivers (84.2 grade). With help of Hollins' run blocking ... I just hope were not going to continue to throw all resources at our defence so Mcdermott can play ground and pound football. Never winning anything that way I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. He is not a great receiver signing, this is another scrub signing. 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: He is not a great receiver signing, this is another scrub signing. Fans need to think Sherfield, they will talk him up but Mcdermott pushed for this because of his run blocking. Edited March 13 by Niagara Dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, SoTier said: You might want to fact check your statements before you post them in the future. All of the Bills' first round picks started as rookies: Tre White - started all 16 games as a rookie Josh Allen - started 11 games as a rookie Tremaine Edmunds - started all 15 games he played as a rookie Ed Oliver - started 7 games as a rookie Greg Rosseau - started all 17 games as a rookie Kaiir Elam - started 6 games as a rookie Dalton Kincaid - started 11 games as a rookie Moreover, these 2nd rounders started as rookies: Dion Dawkins - started 11 games as a rookie Cody Ford - started 15 games as a rookie A.J. Epenesa - started 1 game as a rookie O'Cyrus Torrence - started all 17 games as a rookie Here are the other rookies who have started for the Bills as rookies: Spencer Brown - started 10 games as a rookie (3rd rounder) Devin Singletary - started 8 games as a rookie (3rd rounder) Taron Johnson - started 2 games as a rookie (4th rounder) Matt Milano - started 5 games as a rookie (5th rounder) Christian Benford - started 5 games as a rookie (6th rounder) Don't confuse him with facts. 23 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. No you give a LOT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 30 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: How come we didn’t sign a stud all pro reciever???? Is this a serious question or is this sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 31 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Mcdermott pushed for this And you know this, how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 adds to the long list of WR bums Beane has singed over the years. how many heads can he fit on Rushmore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 40 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am to the point I don't give a **** if they can run block or not. Create separation, get open, catch the damn ball consistently. THEN we can talk about the damn run blocking. Seems like a great idea til december and january home games - then not being able to run or stop the run because we spent all the money on WRs looks a tad foolish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, WickedGame said: Agree with these points. Although I’ll add that I don’t want my #2 WR receiver to be purely a straight-line-speed/go routes guy. I want him to be a separator. With hands, ideally. Someone who can run a full route tree…maybe even some of those deep middle routes you mentioned. A unicorn, I know, but it got to where Gave was only useful on a deep go. Splashy? Sure. But give me a guy who requires a DB to make decisions. Ideally, poor decisions. Would you take DK Metcalf? Because he was considered to be only a deep/go route type before the draft. I'm considering Legette at 28 more and more. He's shown he can be a deep threat, contested catch guy and a RAC guy. Keon Coleman is my #2 at 28. Mike Williams type of receiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Can't have a bills team without "core special teamers" 8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Would you take DK Metcalf? Because he was considered to be only a deep/go route type before the draft. I'm considering Legette at 28 more and more. He's shown he can be a deep threat, contested catch guy and a RAC guy. Keon Coleman is my #2 at 28. Mike Williams type of receiver Is this a rhetorical question or.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 To all our our criers, newsflash; we have zero need at TE. We have our #1 & #3 WR and we have 3 WRs behind them with veteran experience. Then, we have 11 Draft picks in a WR rich Draft year. Mow the lawn and chill out. 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: adds to the long list of WR bums Beane has singed over the years. how many heads can he fit on Rushmore? Brown Bease and Sanders were all pretty solid. So the long list would be... Roberts - KR/PR which after seeing mckenzie attempt to do this i wasn't at all shocked they wanted someone there who could i dunno... catch the ball on the return. 2yr 4.6M. Kumerow - Less than 1M per year and essentially on a rookie deal. Not sure why i should care on his age when he's essentially the same price as anyone else. I also don't think having him prohibited the team from adding other players. Crowder - Got hurt. Came off a decent couple seasons. 1yr 2M. Like 0 risk, and was a bease replacement. Harty - Returner. Overpay. Didn't work out. Had a built in out in his contract. Sherfield - 1.7M is again nothing. 750k dead cap had he been beaten out by a rookie. Harty was the only one in the group of "bums" that they spent any money on. And in 2023 his AAV was still lower than what they spent on brown and bease in 2019, and Sanders in 2021. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Toyo321 said: I never said it was a $3 mil base in any post, it can be up to this amount per ESPN and Yahoo sports. Still wasted money on a player that should not have been signed. They commit money in a contract signing versus drafting someone for the same purpose and if a rookie can't make the team there is no lost revenue. Instead of being stuck with someone that will be on the bench. Let me rephrase cast off players to just players no one would sign for the money that Buffalo paid them to come here and play, these money pit contracts have been a habit of this ownership and GM for 7 years. Oh wait a minute, I hear that name coming again!!! Von who????? Enough said..... Von Miller was a cast off player? Are the Bills the only team to overpay for players? You’re right. No one would sign Leonard Floyd to $7 million last year. How much did the 49ers sign him for? Has to be less than the Bills right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: He really isn't. Hollins is the more polished receiver. My brother is a Falcons fan, so I follow them more than the average fan. I hope Mack gets opportunities because he's going to shock a lot of people. Dude even if your brother is a Falcons fan, don’t pretend he or you know more than anyone about Mack ***** Hollins. He had 18 catches in 13 games. My god. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: This is an upgrade to Sherfield Barely.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 38 minutes ago, CSBill said: And you know this, how? Crystal ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, Motorin' said: If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. So it's: 1. Diggs 2. Draft (1st or 2nd round) 3. Shakir 4. Draft (please) 5. Hollins vs. Shorter 6. ??? Great point re: replacing Neal at gunner. Hollins is a great gunner and absolutely will replace Neal. Instead of thinking about WR depth chart, lets think about pass catchers in the Bills offense: 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. 1st round / 2nd round draft pick 4. Shakir 5. Cook 6. Knox 7. Hollins / Shorter 8. Late draft or cheap FA If we draft a legit #2 WR, we're all set. We don't need to spend another premium pick or premium contract on a WR that would probably be the 8th weapon in the passing game. Something to think about in different context! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: And those reasons are? Right now we are worse off than last year and we hope an answer at WR comes in the draft. One reason I've found to be positive and excited is I think this move can be an indicator that the FO is not only going to go WR in the first, but they are doing so with the intention of playing this WR early. They brought in a non-threatening veteran backup WR to possibly help our new #1 pick. This isn't a D Mooney or C Samuel where the issue can get murky. We'll be going Diggs/rookie/Shakir/Kincaid/ and Cook with some Knox as the main components. That seems potent to me, not only next season but the future seems bright - only Diggs to deal with on the horizon in this scenario as long as the rookie pans out. Who will be the lucky rookie WR that gets this gig? Thomas/A Mitchell/X Legette? The draft is going to be must see TV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Great point re: replacing Neal at gunner. Hollins is a great gunner and absolutely will replace Neal. Instead of thinking about WR depth chart, lets think about pass catchers in the Bills offense: 1. Diggs 2. Kincaid 3. 1st round / 2nd round draft pick 4. Shakir 5. Cook 6. Knox 7. Hollins / Shorter 8. Late draft or cheap FA If we draft a legit #2 WR, we're all set. We don't need to spend another premium pick or premium contract on a WR that would probably be the 8th weapon in the passing game. Something to think about in different context! I also think this wr class is so stacked that you can find some real value on Day 3 at the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: And those reasons are? Right now we are worse off than last year and we hope an answer at WR comes in the draft. You’re saying we’re worse off at WR because we lost Gabe Davis, Sherfield, and Harty? I must respectfully disagree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 After listening to Marino on this sighing I am feeling much better about it. It's almost as if not reading this board would give me a more realistic view point of this team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 54 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: To all our our criers, newsflash; we have zero need at TE. We have our #1 & #3 WR and we have 3 WRs behind them with veteran experience. Then, we have 11 Draft picks in a WR rich Draft year. Mow the lawn and chill out. I agree with you, but I'm still not mowing the lawn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, CSBill said: And you know this, how? He's an excellent run blocker and special teams gunner. What doesn't scream McDermott about his skillset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Dude even if your brother is a Falcons fan, don’t pretend he or you know more than anyone about Mack ***** Hollins. He had 18 catches in 13 games. My god. That's more about about opportunities then a lack of talent. This is the same team that struggles to get Pitts involved. The year prior he caught 57 balls. I'm a daily fantasy player. I know Mack Hollins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxPower Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 There are a couple prominent philosophies on this board that I will never understand. 1. The endless desire to convert decent corners to safety. 2. The idea that that you can just plug any UDFA into depth spots and get similar results to a multi year vet. There is a reason most of those guys washout without ever making a roster. There is a reason that EVERY team has half a dozen vets playing depth/ST roles. Expecting to hit and get contributors on your UDFA's and later round picks is a recipe for disaster. If this was a bottom dweller team undergoing a rebuild, OK. Maybe you take that chance. That is not Bills situation. They will never rebuild as long as Josh is under center. They are going to make sure to cover their butts with options. If a draft pick or UDFA outperforms him, great. If they fail to invest significantly in the draft at WR, go nuts. Anybody that thought we were going to pay 8 figures APY for the Mooneys or Samuels of the world was kidding themselves. We're shopping at the Dollar Store this year to reset the cap. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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