78thealltimegreat Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 We picked a good year to need a vet safety or 3 geez 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Some very old and washed up names on that list. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Yeah and that is going to drive prices down 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I’ve never seen anything like it for one position… And this year there is 2 that has a wealth of All-Pro talent at the same time… What a year to be in the market for a running back or safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Too many older guys who had big contracts. The safety market is gonna take a hit value wise this offseason. Beane needs to just sit back and wait. There will be somone we can get on that list after the draft or even after June 1st. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) Nothing really tickles my fancy on this list. The good ones (McKinney. Simmons, Savage) we won’t be able to afford anyway. Chinn wouldn’t be a bad pick up on a prove it or lose it deal. Edited March 7 by bills6969 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 minutes ago, BBFL said: I’ve never seen anything like it for one position… And this year there is 2 that has a wealth of All-Pro talent at the same time… What a year to be in the market for a running back or safety. Running Back market this year might rival it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Are any of these guys better than Rapp? Honest question as I don't know much about many of the names. Most seem old and on their final legs Have to figure there are a few that would have been just as good and maybe cheaper. But Rapp knows the system now. I'd add another cheap veteran age 25-28 and draft another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 It was pretty deep last year as well IIRC. GMs are turning the safety position into the same type of value the RB market has been placed at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 We need a center fielder type safety now so that eliminates guys like Chinn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I would have liked to have had most of these guys when they were in their prime, however, this list today is nothing i would cash strap a franchise for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 It's not a big list if you remove players 29 and older and then of that remaining pool, you remove the injury prone - less than 75% games over two seasons. IMO, that's the realistic baseline pool of FA the Bills should be looking at. You factor in performance and salary wants with that pool of players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Its deep for what we need. I dont think we are shelling out big deals for a young safety - we likely will take the vet option for a 1-2 year deal, maybe draft a safety as well. There's lots of opportunity to pull a leonard Floyd deal for a vet safety this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 theoretically, couldn't poyer be brought back? what would that look like from a cap perspective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Bills clearly tell us they want to get younger and cheaper. ::Here’s a big list of overpaid aging Safeties:: Not knocking the OP.. it is a crazy list of names for one position.. but based on the vibe from our FO, there aren’t many names here we should be interested in… and thank goodness for that. Im open to a young safety like Chinn on a team friendly deal, but hard pass on anyone approaching 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 My hope is Rapp deal has no guarantees so we locked him up as a back up plan. If they can sign guys off this list then you cut Rapp unless the deal is incentive based meaning if he is not your starter he is only making $1.5-2M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weebdestroyer12 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 We're getting Hyde and Poyer back. Let them taste FA. Too many team need Safeties and not every player fits in the system easily. Their value will go down and Beane picks them back up for less than before and boom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I gotta go with Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer. I think they would be great in this Defense 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 One vet and a fifth round draft pick should be sufficient. Crazy to talk about using a day two pick on a safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, ngbills said: My hope is Rapp deal has no guarantees so we locked him up as a back up plan. If they can sign guys off this list then you cut Rapp unless the deal is incentive based meaning if he is not your starter he is only making $1.5-2M. Do we have details on that contract yet? Total head scratcher yesterday. He's not a starting safety imo. Perhaps a big nickel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, NickelCity said: Do we have details on that contract yet? Total head scratcher yesterday. He's not a starting safety imo. Perhaps a big nickel. Have not seen anything yet. But seems like at least a raise which is odd in this market and coming off a year he was not even a starter vs the year before. No doubt could have got him back for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Safety talent is to NFL football in the 2020s like HR is to a corporation. Even having good ones doesn't really matter that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I doubt that the Bills are going to sign one of the top names on the list. Last time I looked, the Bills are still dealing with a fairly tight cap situation, even after the cuts they just made. They'll sign somebody though. Are there any guys who are in a similar situation to Jordan Poyer when the Bills got him from the Browns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: We need a center fielder type safety now so that eliminates guys like Chinn He played for the Panthers though, so whether he's a good fit for the team or not, that alone places him at the top of our organization's list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) There are literally five of these safeties hanging out in my back yard right now. I don’t even know how to get rid of them. “SHOO, GO AWAY. I DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY OR A JOB FOR YOU!” Edited March 7 by dollars 2 donuts 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: There are literally five of these safeties hanging out in my back yard right now. I don’t even know how to get rid of them. “SHOO, GO AWAY. I DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY OR A JOB FOR YOU!” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Depending on what happens with Diggs contract and how they approach the smaller moves they make cap wise (Knox, Johnson and Dawkins extensions or restructures) the Bills after restructuring Josh’s deal will be somewhere in the range of 25-45 million below the cap. If they can push that number above 30 million they should have some money to play with to go after a “mid-level” safety while signing at least some of the Bills remaining internal free agents . If they can go close to or above 40 million in space they should be able to afford 2 or more “mid-level” additions while signing some internal free agents. A lot of how the Bills approach free agency is going to be determined by these next few cap moves assuming (safely) that they restructure Josh. Will they actually have some money to spend or is it going to be just a small amount they have to play with which will mostly be for some remaining internal free agents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, weebdestroyer12 said: We're getting Hyde and Poyer back. Let them taste FA. Too many team need Safeties and not every player fits in the system easily. Their value will go down and Beane picks them back up for less than before and boom I have a feeling hyde will hang it up due to his neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLSINATL Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Chinn and a mid round pick to compete with Rapp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Seems like a lot of teams are just tossing their safeties into a bucket, and then they'll grab a different one out of the bucket and pay him less than they were paying the guy they had before. League-wide collusion to drive down prices. 11 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: There are literally five of these safeties hanging out in my back yard right now. I don’t even know how to get rid of them. “SHOO, GO AWAY. I DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY OR A JOB FOR YOU!” You might THINK they're just hanging out, but just try running to your back fence and see how that goes. 14 hours ago, BillsVet said: Safety talent is to NFL football in the 2020s like HR is to a corporation. Even having good ones doesn't really matter that much. I suspect you're wrong about that. Having a bad HR department can get your company sued. And I think we're gonna find out next year just how valuable Hyde and Poyer were to the overall structure of the defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 When the price is low for elite talent, this is the year to pay for an A+ safety and running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 hours ago, Utah John said: I suspect you're wrong about that. Having a bad HR department can get your company sued. And I think we're gonna find out next year just how valuable Hyde and Poyer were to the overall structure of the defense. HR at most corporations is almost worthless because the least talented people go there. And now most functions like benefits are online. By the way, who were the starting safeties for KC or SF last season? And were those guys 1st/2nd team All-Pro or even Pro Bowl selections last year? None of them were and it wouldn't have mattered much if it did against excellent offenses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 7 hours ago, Utah John said: And I think we're gonna find out next year just how valuable Hyde and Poyer were to the overall structure of the defense. We already found out. They can't hold the lead for the final drive because the defense was too tired. The secondary got absolutely carved to shreds. The problem was never so pronounced when Hyde/Poyer were a bit younger/healthier/faster. We needed to move on and get more youthful energy into that position. I think it's going to help the "defense can't hold on to the lead their given" narrative that we saw play out all last season. EDIT: And by the way, the rest of the league thought about Poyer the same way I'm describing him, but last season. He slunk back to the Bills after getting no enticing offers in FA. Edited March 8 by Bruffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just going down through the whole list, it looks like there are lots of reasonable prospects. There is only a handful, like 3 or 4 that I'd be inclined to throw out (too old, to slow or too small, or a combination thereof. I'd be a little surprised if the Bills can't find a player they like at a value they are happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2024 at 10:55 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said: Are any of these guys better than Rapp? Honest question as I don't know much about many of the names. Most seem old and on their final legs Have to figure there are a few that would have been just as good and maybe cheaper. But Rapp knows the system now. I'd add another cheap veteran age 25-28 and draft another. Poyer knows it pretty well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2024 at 9:46 AM, BBFL said: I’ve never seen anything like it for one position… And this year there is 2 that has a wealth of All-Pro talent at the same time… What a year to be in the market for a running back or safety. Two of the least valued positions seeing old expensive vets hit the market? Not shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: Two of the least valued positions seeing old expensive vets hit the market? Not shocking Might be but there is a slew of “big ticket” experienced players and excellent young talent at the same time for both positions. I’m not shocked, just haven’t seen the combination of multiple positions have both that criteria for a host of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Unbelievable? Perhaps. I am waiting until one of the pundits proclaim it to be 'inconceivable'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 9 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Unbelievable? Perhaps. I am waiting until one of the pundits proclaim it to be 'inconceivable'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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