Dablitzkrieg Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Can somebody explain to me how a restructure works in the last year of a players contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Sorry to see Poyer go, although he is slowing down. Gave us some great years and memories. Very happy to extend Douglas. Go Bills!🏈🍻 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) Adam don't be lazy and provide us with more info... Is this an extension? Edited March 6 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, Mango said: Can somebody explain to me how a restructure works in the last year of a players contract? you randomly find a suitcase in your trunk 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Feels like they could have saved even more with an extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, Sestak4ever said: Sorry to see Poyer go, although he is slowing down. Gave us some great years and memories. Very happy to extend Douglas. Go Bills!🏈🍻 Not an extension, as of yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I would guess a conversion of base salary to bonus and a void year added. Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: Feels like they could have saved even more with an extension. I am betting he and the Bills couldn't come to an agreement this offseason on one. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Feels like they could have saved even more with an extension. This is what I thought would happen. And on top of that I don't get how a restructure changes the cap number for a player in the final year of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Does this mean extension is off the table? Or can they still do that after the restructure? I'm actually ok with this. Restructuring to save cap without committing long term may be the best move. Keep him around one more year than get younger and cheaper next offseason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I still say if the new DB coach feels he can get Elam up to speed, move Douglas to Safety. Then do an extension at a safety rate of pay. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, Process said: Does this mean extension is off the table? Or can they still do that after the restructure? I'm actually ok with this. Restructuring to save cap without committing long term may be the best move. Keep him around one more year than get younger and cheaper next offseason. They could still give him a contract extension as well. I'm just glad they're keeping him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 #MeToo in regards to restructuring the last year of a contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 11 minutes ago, Mango said: Can somebody explain to me how a restructure works in the last year of a players contract? Simply they are taking cap from this year and moving it to future years. You can do this with base salary by turning it into a bonus payment. Im surprised they didn’t do an extension, but that can still happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Glad to have him back in our secondary. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Re structure in the last year of his deal? Would this mean void years added on potentially? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I am glad that we didn't throw away a draft pick for a 1/2 year rental... I am very pleased with this 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Very happy he is being retained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mango said: Can somebody explain to me how a restructure works in the last year of a players contract? Extend his contract so it goes a few years longer but they void when the new financial year starts, Brady did this with the Patriots tons of times to keep his cap figure lower. Edited March 6 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 13 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I still say if the new DB coach feels he can get Elam up to speed, move Douglas to Safety. Then do an extension at a safety rate of pay. I say no chance of this happening 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 thats a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Simply they are taking cap from this year and moving it to future years. You can do this with base salary by turning it into a bonus payment. Im surprised they didn’t do an extension, but that can still happen. So is it as much a restructure as it is adding a void year? I guess I am being pedantic. Still seems strange though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 26 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said: you randomly find a suitcase in your trunk See Jets / Aaron Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Re structure in the last year of his deal? Would this mean void years added on potentially? He's already got 3 void years on his contract. They're likely just converting as much of his base salary to a bonus as possible and spreading that amount over 4 years instead of just 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I'd sure feel better if Rasul got a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Interesting. Maybe they wanna see how he plays at safety before they sign him to an extension, but don’t wanna get rid of him in case Elam flops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, foreboding said: I'd sure feel better if Rasul got a long term deal. He’s 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’s 30. Ok. 3 year deal! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, foreboding said: I'd sure feel better if Rasul got a long term deal. still a decent chance of that happening. That’s a much longer process and negotiation than just doing this simple restructure. Beane can just do it on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, foreboding said: I'd sure feel better if Rasul got a long term deal. He’ll be 30 on Aug 29. I had to look that up to know how I felt about extending. Should have some wear left on the tires. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 16 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I say no chance of this happening Based on? 30 years old and that is usually a good time to make a transition to extend a CB's career. The fact he want cut and he took a restructure, tells me something is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I was pretty confident he would be back once the higher than expected cap numbers came out. Couldn't see them getting rid of Douglas after what we paid to get him and also knowing that several secondary players were gone or likely to be gone in Hyde, Poyer, and Tre...2 of which are now officially gone (at least for now) and Tre still is a cap casualty candidate and still has question marks about what he will be like if he does stick after a 2nd serious leg injury. So stoked to see it looks like Douglas is here again at least this year given he was easily our best secondary player once he arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Augie said: He’ll be 30 on Aug 29. I had to look that up to know how I felt about extending. Should have some wear left on the tires. If he gets an extension, you would assume that there would be no guaranteed money past the end of 2025 .., giving them an out at that time. There is no reason to assume he can’t contribute at 2023 levels for another 2 years … his age 30 and 31 years … The question is about how much money he wants in his final big deal … Spotrac had him at $14m … that’s too much Edited March 6 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 43 minutes ago, Mango said: Can somebody explain to me how a restructure works in the last year of a players contract? Extension with dummy year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Mango said: So is it as much a restructure as it is adding a void year? I guess I am being pedantic. Still seems strange though. It's really not. An extension for Douglas this Offseason never really made much sense unless you were getting out of White's contract. If you're doing an extension for Douglas, you'd be committing to him as one of your starters long term. He's a Free Agent in a year and with his resume, his agent surely knows someone will pay him to be a Starter. So they wouldn't accept anything less from us to deny him testing his market in a year. In Benford, we have a very good Starter who is developing and still has room for growth on a Round 6 Rookie Contract. You don't want to mess with that. In White we have a perennial All Pro/Pro Bowler under a massive deal to Start. The injuries present concern as to whether he'll be able to be the same guy. But Beane probably doesn't want to close the door there without first seeing where he's at. Extending Douglas now would have entrenched him as a Starter long term at the cost of either White or Benford starting before confirming whether White is done or not. Edited March 6 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 26 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Based on? 30 years old and that is usually a good time to make a transition to extend a CB's career. The fact he want cut and he took a restructure, tells me something is happening. We need to await further details about this “restructure “ ..: you might be going off early suggesting it’s a pay cut . There was no mention of that as yet .. My reasons the move to S won’t happen; 1. He was the best CB at the Bills after he got here last year 2. Benford is an option first to move there 3. I doubt Douglas would want to play a lesser market valued position as the clock is ticking on his career …he has to agree to it too … if the Bills don’t want to pay him too play CB then I’m sure another team will 4. Safety market is oversupplied so they can get a proven FA on the cheap anyway … no need to move anyone there Edited March 6 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: We need to await further details about this “restructure “ ..: you might be going off early suggesting it’s a pay cut . There was no mention of that as yet .. My reasons it won’t happen; 1. He was the best CB at the Bills after he got here last year 2. Benford is an option first to move there 3. I doubt Douglas would want to play a lesser market valued position ad the clock is ticking on his career …he has to agree to it too … if the Bills don’t want to pay him too play CB then I’m sure another team will 4. Safety market is oversupplied so they can get a proven FA on the cheap anyway … no need to move anyone there I like it brother, good stuff. I'll add when we get our comp pick, I believe we will have 12 draft picks. I don't see us keeping 3 5ths, 3 6ths and a 7th. But we will have them. Edited March 6 by SoonerBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: We need to await further details about this “restructure “ ..: you might be going off early suggesting it’s a pay cut . There was no mention of that as yet .. My reasons it won’t happen; 1. He was the best CB at the Bills after he got here last year 2. Benford is an option first to move there 3. I doubt Douglas would want to play a lesser market valued position ad the clock is ticking on his career …he has to agree to it too … if the Bills don’t want to pay him too play CB then I’m sure another team will 4. Safety market is oversupplied so they can get a proven FA on the cheap anyway … no need to move anyone there We already know. $3.5m was converted with 3 void years, creating $2.6m cap space this year and same dead cap in 2025... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/rasul-douglas-21841/ Edited March 6 by No_Matter_What 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: , I believe we will have 12 draft picks. I don't see us keeping 3 5ths, 3 6ths and a 7th. But we will have them. Depends on how many people Beane is planning on cutting! Definitely will be drafting a C now you would think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mango said: Can somebody explain to me how a restructure works in the last year of a players contract? It means they converted some of his salary into a signing bonus and added at least one void year. We are just deferring $2.5M of his cap hit to next season. Without seeing the details I would guess that they converted $5M of his salary into a signing bonus and added one void year. Edited March 6 by BarleyNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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