Draconator Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 This helps deepen the pool, and push down talent in the safety market. Good things, man! 10 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Adams and his agent out on the contract trail 1 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just say no to old safeties (Diggs) and oft-injured safeties (Adams). 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Last time Adams made it through a season was 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, dpberr said: Just say no to old safeties (Diggs) and oft-injured safeties (Adams). Agree. While I do think Diggs has some good football in him I'm more about younger/cheaper at safety. Adams is not only injured a LOT but when he does play is extremely overrated IMO and has been his whole career. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Jamal Adams is 28. This especially hurt when my coworker said he is old. 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Pretty sure everyone outside of Seattle knew that was a god awful trade the day it happened. Even if Adams was good/able to stay healthy, there isn't a single safety in the NFL worth two first round picks+ a big contract 4 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Buyers market if you want an older S, or any S for that matter. Draft one this year or next and sign a couple vets on 1 year deals. Or if pricing is down get a younger guy on the cheap for 3-5 years. Edited March 5 by ngbills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Jamal Adams is constantly hurt and is a massive Diva. Not worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 The safety pool is very, very deep in free agency this year. We'll have plenty of options to bring in some solid players without paying too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him. 2 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Adams is a Poyer alternative so unless Jordan is cut I don't see it. But hopefully yet another guy on the market pushes a better option's value down for us. We need a FS really. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him. He costs $2m regardless. So unless you think you can upgrade Poyer for $5.7m AAV (I think there is next to no chance) then it doesn't make sense to me. I'd do a dummy year, lower hit this year push a couple of mill out into 2025 and bring him back. He was fine last year. He was still an above average starting safey and played well in the dime role too. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Everyone talking about Adams but Diggs is the better player. He would be on my radar. Depending on price of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: Everyone talking about Adams but Diggs is the better player. He would be on my radar. Depending on price of course. Correct Adams is a dinosaur in the NFL. He can’t cover he’s also injured all the time and has a mouth he can’t shut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He costs $2m regardless. So unless you think you can upgrade Poyer for $5.7m AAV (I think there is next to no chance) then it doesn't make sense to me. I'd do a dummy year, lower hit this year push a couple of mill out into 2025 and bring him back. He was fine last year. He was still an above average starting safey and played well in the dime role too. I don't want us adding any void years to existing contracts on older players this year. It might be painful but I want us using this offseason as a means of getting the cap back in order. I don't want players like Morse or Poyer still on the books in 2025 for any amount of money. If Poyer accepts a pay cut I would be okay with that. I just don't see any way he is worth a $7.7M cap hit, not with an extremely deep safety market. 3 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Adams to the Jets is my prediction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I would strongly stay away from Adams as his injury history is lengthy. Quandre Diggs is 31 so I don't like the age factor but he has been remarkably durable so if the Bills are taking either give me Diggs. But I think if the Bills are dipping into the safety market they probably want to go with a younger player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 41 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't want us adding any void years to existing contracts on older players this year. It might be painful but I want us using this offseason as a means of getting the cap back in order. I don't want players like Morse or Poyer still on the books in 2025 for any amount of money. If Poyer accepts a pay cut I would be okay with that. I just don't see any way he is worth a $7.7M cap hit, not with an extremely deep safety market. Quoting you again today but I have to. Love this approach. I won't cut Poyer but I fully agree with your overall point. Let's do a hard off-season, push as little cap to next year as possible, sign 1-2 solid FAs and fill the roster with draft picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Adams is a Poyer alternative so unless Jordan is cut I don't see it. But hopefully yet another guy on the market pushes a better option's value down for us. We need a FS really. Poyer has a bum elbow now, but he does show up and play. Guy drove 12 hours to a game because he couldn't fly, and played. I think he's better in coverage too. Adams probably sheds better as a box safety, and was always a solid tackler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 No and No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him. It's not a pleasant thought but I've been seriously considering the same. Poyer has very obviously lost a step. He and Hyde counted as $15 M total their first year, and with some of the AAV projections I've seen that number seems very doable if we cut Poyer for a third of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: It's not a pleasant thought but I've been seriously considering the same. Poyer has very obviously lost a step. He and Hyde counted as $15 M total their first year, and with some of the AAV projections I've seen that number seems very doable if we cut Poyer for a third of it. I'm indifferent - Do i get a better player for the 5M in savings? It's tough to evaluate. He's still good, he wants to win, younger isn't always better. Just depends on the fit and if there is better fits for a different type of defense under babich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I don't want us adding any void years to existing contracts on older players this year. It might be painful but I want us using this offseason as a means of getting the cap back in order. I don't want players like Morse or Poyer still on the books in 2025 for any amount of money. If Poyer accepts a pay cut I would be okay with that. I just don't see any way he is worth a $7.7M cap hit, not with an extremely deep safety market. I still think he is worth that money. Especially if you can knock a mill or two onto next year's cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 19 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I'm indifferent - Do i get a better player for the 5M in savings? It's tough to evaluate. He's still good, he wants to win, younger isn't always better. Just depends on the fit and if there is better fits for a different type of defense under babich. I'm still on a maybe. Continuity is still something important. I would much prefer a vet and a high draft pick at safety, but that requires figuring out our WR, DL and CB situation first and Beane is poker face on about those. As he should, it's just maddening for fans in the final week before we really see what the shape of the team looks like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxPower Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Wild that Seattle was on opposite ends of 2 of the worst trades in recent history. Adams trade was awful even if he'd been healthy. Such an overrated player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Ok now thank you for not making a "Diggs Released" title. 3 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He costs $2m regardless. So unless you think you can upgrade Poyer for $5.7m AAV (I think there is next to no chance) then it doesn't make sense to me. I'd do a dummy year, lower hit this year push a couple of mill out into 2025 and bring him back. He was fine last year. He was still an above average starting safey and played well in the dime role too. I will add to that I absolutely think Poyer could get 1 year - $5-6m - on the open market which is what the Bills are actually paying him cash terms this year. So not sure there is an incentive for him to take a paycut. Hence do a little restructure and kick a small amont of money (like $2m) into a void year is the play for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I’d make a play on Geno Stone. Don’t know if we can afford him. If not Darnell Savage. Loved Stone coming out but he’s only 24 and might be one of the high paid guys to go off the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him. He could also agree to take a pay cut and stay back for $3M thereby saving as from any cap hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Adams is a Poyer alternative so unless Jordan is cut I don't see it. But hopefully yet another guy on the market pushes a better option's value down for us. We need a FS really. Agree. Adams can provide run support and the occasional safety blitz. McD rarely blitzes his safeties. He's really poor in coverage. Terrible fit for Bills. 6 hours ago, HappyDays said: I don't want us adding any void years to existing contracts on older players this year. It might be painful but I want us using this offseason as a means of getting the cap back in order. I don't want players like Morse or Poyer still on the books in 2025 for any amount of money. If Poyer accepts a pay cut I would be okay with that. I just don't see any way he is worth a $7.7M cap hit, not with an extremely deep safety market. Why ? The cap might go up another 10% next year. Win now at all costs. If you want to help the cap next year I'd cut White this year not Poyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just reading these comments shows the football intelligence of Bills fans. Nobody like them ❤️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Draft draft draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 9 hours ago, wppete said: Jamal Adams is constantly hurt and is a massive Diva. Not worth it. He’s this generations Whitner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said: Ok now thank you for not making a "Diggs Released" title. Josh Allen to Jags, Diggs released 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 mccoach obv hates starting or even playing rookies on D. there have been a couple exceptions, but that's the theme. based on that, and the fact that i presume tre is gone and douglas, elam, and benford will be getting a ton of burn, we have a fairly young secondary. i'd expect a rookie safety paired with poyer (maybe on a cut, maybe on a restructure, i dunno) to be the most likely outcome. similarly on the DL, i think we sign at least 2 FA vets (maybe even 3) and draft 2-3 guys and play the vets more, at least until it is blindingly obvious that the rookies are better than the vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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