The Belichick thread

[Simon]

Just creating this so that, going forward I can put all the repetitive Belichik threads in one place instead of folks having to see them all over the board.

[Success]

Hire the man!

 

[BBFL]

Bill is an awesome coach and I can respect what he’s managed to achieve during his tenure with the Patriots.

 

However, I don’t know how I’d feel if we hired him. Would be a sour taste if we hired him and never ended up winning a SB under his guidance. 

[LarryMadman]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

Hire the man!

 

Yup, he's 71, a couple of years provided he want to still coach and bring in Vrabel to be the DC and understanding that Vrabel will ascend to HC when Bill retires. 

Win win IMO

[Success]

3 minutes ago, BBFL said:

Bill is an awesome coach and I can respect what he’s managed to achieve during his tenure with the Patriots.

 

However, I don’t know how I’d feel if we hired him. Would be a sour taste if we hired him and never ended up winning a SB under his guidance. 

 

I agree w/ your last line there - but fortune favors the bold.

 

When he had a top QB, he averaged a Super Bowl every other year.  The Pats downfall was because of Belichick the GM - not the coach.

 

[Aussie Joe]

A thread for the pipe dreamers 

[rusty shackleford]

CBS should bring him in as a color commentator to pair with Ian Eagle.

[ProcessImproverMan]

11 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I agree w/ your last line there - but fortune favors the bold.

 

When he had a top QB, he averaged a Super Bowl every other year.  The Pats downfall was because of Belichick the GM - not the coach.

 

One cannot even full blame him as a GM as the Patriots were in cap hell after Brady left in 2019 for a couple years and never had a top pick to grab a QB to get out of it (we are in cap hell with no super bowl trophies due to McDermott and Beane being idiots)

The way the league runs now, a very good coach needs a very good QB to consistently win and that usually involves grabbing one early on in the draft. During the drought, the Bills often were mediocre enough to not snag a top QB (one year, 2004, Eli Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger all went before we took Losman so we never had a chance to really change our franchise then). Beane lucked out that the Bills acquired enough draft capital to move up to grab Allen very early in the draft as without doing so, we would have been in similar mediocrity. 

 

Belichick managed to drag Mac Jones to a playoff game and a winning record in another season due to his coaching and his defenses largely being very solid. Injuries and the league figuring Jones out ruined them this year but those same Patriots beat us even though we had more talent.

 

Now the Patriots have a ton of cap room and a top pick to snag a very good QB, Belichick probably would have turned them around if he had stayed. Dude's track record without Brady isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He rebuilt the Browns to a team that could win in the playoffs without Brady in the early 90s before salary cap and free agency allowed for easy quick rebuilds (why it took him a few years). The team announcing it's move killed that project. He has the Patriots at 11-5 with Cassel in 2008. Patriots went 3-1 without Brady during the deflate gate *****. And he got Mac Jones to a playoff game and a solid record the second year after salary cap hell, years of no top draft picks, and COVID retirements killed the roster (Hightower retired early as one example).

 

Dude can still coach the hell out of a defense to finish games (last Patriots super bowl was won by the defense and his defense played very tight this year despite the injuries and despite the offense being a ***** show due to not having had capital to get a good QB). Give him Allen and there's no 13 seconds *****, no Chiefs marching down the field and scoring practically every time, etc (Patriots defense played the Chiefs better this year despite Zappe repeatedly giving them short fields - not reflected in the point total but watch the game). And the dude has hit on key guys as a GM. Judon. Barmore. Dugger. Douglas. Gonzalez. Just some examples. 

 

Edited January 24 by ProcessImproverMan

[Nextmanup]

It's interesting that apparently Harbaugh to Chargers is a done deal, as I think that would have been the most desirable stop for Bill among teams looking for a coach this year.

 

Opening the door that much more for us to sign him up.

 

Pegula can give him a "birthday present" of whatever 60 foot fishing boat he wants, and a slip in Erie Basin Marina.

 

Oh, and double whatever New England paid him.  

 

Don't give him General Manager powers, however.  I do NOT think BB would argue that at this stage of his career.

 

He's getting older, but that guy as our HC is the stuff of dreams.

 

If it goes south after 2 years, we will be NO FURTHER BEHIND than where we are going to be with McDermott, anyway.

 

 

[Peace Frog]

26 minutes ago, Simon said:

Just creating this so that, going forward I can put all the repetitive Belichik threads in one place instead of folks having to see them all over the board.

Unlike some others here (you know who you are), you spelled his last name correctly in the topic title.  Very cool.

[LLCoolCy]

19 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

A thread for the pipe dreamers 

More like the pipe nightmares?

[Success]

I'd like to add - in a normal year, where only untested coordinators were available, I'd be generally okay w/ keeping McDermott.  I see him as a solid coach, in a league where bad coaching is more common than good coaching.

 

But this is a real chance that we're presented with here, and only here.  Next year, if we fall short again - our choices will likely be only untested coordinators.

 

The bottom line:  who will give us a better chance for a title next year?  McDermott, or the GOAT?  

 

[Deep Voice]

52 minutes ago, Success said:

Hire the man!

 

 

YEAH

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It's interesting that apparently Harbaugh to Chargers is a done deal, as I think that would have been the most desirable stop for Bill among teams looking for a coach this year.

 

Opening the door that much more for us to sign him up.

 

Pegula can give him a "birthday present" of whatever 60 foot fishing boat he wants, and a slip in Erie Basin Marina.

 

Oh, and double whatever New England paid him.  

 

Don't give him General Manager powers, however.  I do NOT think BB would argue that at this stage of his career.

 

He's getting older, but that guy as our HC is the stuff of dreams.

 

If it goes south after 2 years, we will be NO FURTHER BEHIND than where we are going to be with McDermott, anyway.

 

 

 

Harbaugh is still interviewing with Falcons...not so sure its a done deal with Chargers yet.  Don't forget just how notoriously cheap Spanos can be, so while it seemed likely he would go to Chargers, I am in I will believe it when I see it mode because of Spanos.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

BB is a great DC, maybe the best ever.  He's won 6 SB with Brady as his QB.  Since then has done pretty bad, granted has not had a good QB.  Where he's been rather poor the past ten years is his role as GM.  I think Brady was just so good and so dedicated (IMO more than Allen is too) that they won SB's even with the bad drafting BB did.

 

So overall wouldn't excite me bringing him in here.

[BBFL]

31 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It's interesting that apparently Harbaugh to Chargers is a done deal, as I think that would have been the most desirable stop for Bill among teams looking for a coach this year.

 

Opening the door that much more for us to sign him up.

 

Pegula can give him a "birthday present" of whatever 60 foot fishing boat he wants, and a slip in Erie Basin Marina.

 

Oh, and double whatever New England paid him.  

 

Don't give him General Manager powers, however.  I do NOT think BB would argue that at this stage of his career.

 

He's getting older, but that guy as our HC is the stuff of dreams.

 

If it goes south after 2 years, we will be NO FURTHER BEHIND than where we are going to be with McDermott, anyway.

 

 

Posted a while back about a conversation I heard on the radio thee final week of the regular season before Bill not coming back was official…

 

They were talking about Atlanta. I think give the assists they have and an owner who’s willing to spend makes that a great destination. There’s pieces there if they can hit on a QB… Division isn’t that great so you’ve got a chance every year even with a team in rebuild. 

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, Deep Voice said:

 

YEAH

 

welcome home, homie 

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, BBFL said:

Bill is an awesome coach and I can respect what he’s managed to achieve during his tenure with the Patriots.

 

However, I don’t know how I’d feel if we hired him. Would be a sour taste if we hired him and never ended up winning a SB under his guidance. 

I agree that we better get a golden fiddle if we are gonna make a deal with that particular devil.

54 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said:

CBS should bring him in as a color commentator to pair with Ian Eagle.

He'd be the Sling Blade of announcers.

[Augie]

He is a terrible grocery shopper!  Don’t even let him in the parking lot. That’s where most accidents happen. 

 

[BananaB]

As much as everyone wants to give Brady all the props for everything Bill has ever done, those first 3 Superbowls has a lot more to with coaching then QB play.  And throughout the years the  systems his teams played were constantly changing to the strengths of the players on both sides of the ball. ***** he went 12-4 with Matt Cassel, that’s more impressive than 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor. 😂 How do you think the Peterman season would have went if lasted 16 games instead of 2 quarters? 😂 

 

McD and Beane are now searching to make one or two more plays so the can get over the obstacle in front of them, the Chiefs. That’s still not the ultimate goal, it’s a bump along way. Have they played to their players strengths or continually tried to fit a square peg in a round hole? They continue drafting high  D players and then go grab vets to the job for them. The team just ain’t moving forward. Right now we got a freak at QB that has taken this team as far as he can without more help around him. 

Edited January 24 by BananaB

[transient]

1 hour ago, ProcessImproverMan said:

Beane lucked out that the Bills acquired enough draft capital to move up to grab Allen very early in the draft as without doing so, we would have been in similar mediocrity.

Beane lucked out... all this time I assumed it was the draft capital he acquired by trading players during the 2017 season and offseason, including trading their starting LT, Cordy Glenn, to the Bengals, with moving up to acquire a QB in mind... and now I find out it was purely by accident. 

[jkeerie]

It's interesting that the only interest shown in Belichick has been Atlanta...yet they are still looking at other options.  Is Belichick demanding complete control like he had in NE?  If so, no thank you...especially if your team needs WR help.

[Mikie2times]

I was just about to post a link about Bill breaking up with the Patriots because he was having an affair with Goodell. I guess video was submitted to the Boston Globe. It also has Tom Brady doing something weird. Article wouldn't specify. I guess it belongs in this thread now. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, LarryMadman said:

Yup, he's 71, a couple of years provided he want to still coach and bring in Vrabel to be the DC and understanding that Vrabel will ascend to HC when Bill retires. 

Win win IMO

I got herpes just reading this

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, LarryMadman said:

Yup, he's 71, a couple of years provided he want to still coach and bring in Vrabel to be the DC and understanding that Vrabel will ascend to HC when Bill retires. 

Win win IMO

If I got Bill as HC and Vrabel as my DC, sign me up. I just don't see Vrabel settling for a coordinator job. Still prefer Ben Johnson as HC.

[Bob Jones]

I'm gonna go against the grain here....I think he's too old and spent. I don't want him anywhere near OBD.

 

Plus, for God's sake, this man was the face of our mortal enemy for decades!

 

I'd take Vrabel or Harbaugh in a heartbeat, because like so many others in here, I think McD has done all that he can do, and he's never going to get us to the SB.

[Success]

3 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

I'm gonna go against the grain here....I think he's too old and spent. I don't want him anywhere near OBD.

 

Plus, for God's sake, this man was the face of our mortal enemy for decades!

 

I'd take Vrabel or Harbaugh in a heartbeat, because like so many others in here, I think McD has done all that he can do, and he's never going to get us to the SB.

 

The "mortal enemy" thing is actually a plus for me.

 

Pats fans would go out of their minds to see us win a title w/ him.

 

[Just Jack]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

The "mortal enemy" thing is actually a plus for me.

 

Pats fans would go out of their minds to see us win a title next year w/ him.

 

 

Fixed your post

[Don Otreply]

I truly hope no-one hires him. 

20 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I got herpes just reading this

 

 

Remember kids, don’t put your lips on it…, 

[Bills!Win!]

I wonder if Belichick joins the bills as DC just to stick it to the Patriots? Sounds like a Bill move

[Peter]

I was at Super Bowl 25 against the Giants. Bill was the primary reason we lost. He created a defense just for that game and knew that Kelly would not be patient or smart enough to take what they gave us.

 

It would be interesting if he were to coach us to a Super Bowl after preventing us from winning when we should have all those years ago.

 

The guy is a great coach and was able to beat McD with a terrible QB. If I were Bill B, the Bills job (if it became available) would be the most attractive in the NFL.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

Fixed your post

 

For real. No use in talking about other Head Coaches this year. Beane said he isn't changing course. McDermott said he talked to Pegula and Pegula still supports him being Coach. It ain't happening this season.

[Maynard]

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I bet he ends up being some senior defensive consultant for a team. 

[stuvian]

Things got weird when he had Matt Patricia coaching offense and his OC coaching defense in 2022. That felt like he was experimenting in real time for no apparent benefit to the team. Was there ever an explanation for that? Maybe he finally outsmarted himself. 

 

It would be strangely abrupt for his career to end this way. I don't think he has the leverage to go in to a new team and negotiate control over personnel given his abysmal track record in the draft. I can more easily see him in Washington than Atlanta. 

[Coach Tuesday]

The Bills head into every playoff game at a coaching disadvantage.  Not to say they can’t overcome it with talent, but so far they haven’t.

 

There is no salary cap on coaches.

 

I would 100% be in favor of this if there were sufficient checks on the scouting side (he sucks at it).

[Bill from NYC]

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

It's interesting that apparently Harbaugh to Chargers is a done deal, as I think that would have been the most desirable stop for Bill among teams looking for a coach this year.

 

Opening the door that much more for us to sign him up.

 

Pegula can give him a "birthday present" of whatever 60 foot fishing boat he wants, and a slip in Erie Basin Marina.

 

Oh, and double whatever New England paid him.  

 

Don't give him General Manager powers, however.  I do NOT think BB would argue that at this stage of his career.

 

He's getting older, but that guy as our HC is the stuff of dreams.

 

If it goes south after 2 years, we will be NO FURTHER BEHIND than where we are going to be with McDermott, anyway.

 

 

Perfect post!!!

[Gregg]

9 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

I wonder if Belichick joins the bills as DC just to stick it to the Patriots? Sounds like a Bill move

 

McDermott would never go for it. Could you imagine Sean's mood if Bill was his DC. Bill is a much better HC and DC than Sean. I could easily see the players tuning McDermott out and listening to Bill. Why wouldn't they. Look at the success that both have had as HC and DC. Sean would not be happy. It would be like a Mike Ditka/Buddy Ryan situation when the Bears defensive players carried Buddy off the field after winning the Super Bowl in 85.

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

 

Don't give him General Manager powers, however.  I do NOT think BB would argue that at this stage of his career.

 

 

I mean allegedly he is asking for the power of veto in Atlanta. So while he doesn't necessarily "need" to be GM, he is going to want the final say and I don't think he is taking a job without that. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean allegedly he is asking for the power of veto in Atlanta. So while he doesn't necessarily "need" to be GM, he is going to want the final say and I don't think he is taking a job without that. 

 

He's one of the 2-3 greatest coaches I've ever seen, but if anybody gives him what he is asking for I think they are doing both him and themselves a disservice.