DapperCam Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Does McDermott report to beane? I've always thought they both report to pegula and ard on equal ground Beane can stay in my opinion Take a look at singletary and moss, both below average to bad players here. They move to other teams and start performing like solid players It’s possible that the coaching has failed to develop and use what he’s brought in, but his track record doesn’t look great in hindsight. A lot of draft busts, a lot of bad/failed FA signings. I’m not even talking about Miller which has failed pretty bad (but that was a calculated risk and we got burned). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Josh looks so checked out, we’re seeing what McD can do without an all-world QB. Mediocre or worse results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Ray Stonada said: Josh looks so checked out, we’re seeing what McD can do without an all-world QB. Mediocre or worse results. Nothing will happen. Allen doesn’t have the guts to go to Pegula and tell him to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Araiza Curse said: Nothing will happen. Allen doesn’t have the guts to go to Pegula and tell him to move on. Allen doesn't but I bet von miller does and maybe together they will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Beane isn't firing him. They are a package deal. Beane goes with him Where Beane has this roster, that wouldnt bother me at all. 30 million over the cap, 3 DL signed to the roster next season. Will need a starting FS, If Gabe goes your WRs are Diggs, Harty, Shakir and Shorter---good luck with that. I you cut Morse now you need a C, if you cut Tre or Poyer, now its a CB and SS. Maybe mastermind can restructure Von again and keep trading picks to move up 2 spots or turning 2nd round picks into 5ths and 6ths. About every one of Beane's picks next year are going to have to make the roster. McD and Dorsey get plenty of crap on this board, lets not leave Beane out of the mix, its well deserved. Edited November 14, 2023 by billsfan714 typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: Allen doesn't but I bet von miller does and maybe together they will Nothing is going to happen. I’m already prepared to not watch next season if changes aren’t made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Beane isn't firing him. They are a package deal. Beane goes with him Yeah, there’s no divorce, it’s a murder-suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, DapperCam said: It’s possible that the coaching has failed to develop and use what he’s brought in, but his track record doesn’t look great in hindsight. A lot of draft busts, a lot of bad/failed FA signings. I’m not even talking about Miller which has failed pretty bad (but that was a calculated risk and we got burned). I won't beat the drum to keep him as what you bring up is all very valid but do think he is generally solid and listens and organizes the team well and appears to be very respected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: you are still kind of? Tonight was final straw Billionaires can sacrifice millions like most people can survive parking tickets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Nothing is going to happen. I’m already prepared to not watch next season if changes aren’t made. I'm in the same boat, at this moment if McDermott is back I don't know if I am back to the extent I am currently (ie season ticket holder) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Threw zero excuse for that. There was plenty of time left they should of been ready for that scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2-5 in 1 score games what is the turnover margin in those games? -10 or -14? Hard to win when the offense is playing against its own defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Nothing is going to happen. I’m already prepared to not watch next season if changes aren’t made. 7 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I'm in the same boat, at this moment if McDermott is back I don't know if I am back to the extent I am currently (ie season ticket holder) The shock value of a loss like tonight will prove to be a blessing if it contributes to regime change (meaning McDermott gone). I have a feeling this season will now start to come off the rails completely, and that this IS not as bad as its going to get. That's all a blessing too. Our worst fear here (as fans) should be Pegula being slow to realize the scope of the fix, and dragging the McDermott era out another 2-3 years. That will destroy Josh's career. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said: Josh looks so checked out He really does. There is zero evidence of the fire he used to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The shock value of a loss like tonight will prove to be a blessing if it contributes to regime change (meaning McDermott gone). I have a feeling this season will now start to come off the rails completely, and that this IS not as bad as its going to get. That's all a blessing too. Our worst fear here (as fans) should be Pegula being slow to realize the scope of the fix, and dragging the McDermott era out another 2-3 years. That will destroy Josh's career. I firmly believe that Pegula doesn’t have what it takes. I see it with the Sabres. I fully expect McD to be here for years to come. I just can’t deal with that right now. Deflated is the best I can describe it, full knowing that we are wasting Allen. It’s a crime. And I can’t watch next year or any year until McD is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Where Beane has this roster, that wouldnt bother me at all. 30 million over the cap, 3 DL signed to the roster next season. Will need a starting FS, If Gabe goes your WRs are Diggs, Harty, Shakir and Shorter---good luck with that. I you cut Morse now you need a C, if you cut Tre or Poyer, now its a CB and SS. Maybe mastermind can restructure Von again and keep trading picks to move up 2 spots or turning 2nd round picks into 5ths and 6ths. About every one of Beane's picks next year are going to have to make the roster. McD and Dorsey get plenty of crap on this board, lets not leave Beane out of the mix, its well deserved. Roster is in trouble next year. I could see Gabe, Morse, Hyde, Poyer, and Tre White all gone. Phillips, Lawson, AJ Epenesa I think are FA. Von Miller is totally ineffective right now to the point where he isn’t even making tackles. Who knows how he’ll be next year. And we’re already going to be over the cap. Missing a bunch of starters we need to replace. Hate to say it, but it might be a “re-tool” year to eat some dead cap and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Zag20 said: Yeah, there’s no divorce, it’s a murder-suicide McD doesn't report to Beane. They both report to Terry Pegula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: He really does. There is zero evidence of the fire he used to have. I've scoffed at the idea that Josh is 'checked out' or whatever, but I thought his lack of enthusiasm after the go-ahead TD with 1:55 left was extremely telling. Maybe he was trying to not show any emotion after the taunting penalty last week. Maybe during the 2 minute warning McD told the offense to not score on the first play and to burn more time off the clock. Maybe he's shell-shocked from the number of times he's scored a late go-ahead TD and still lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Imagine if McDermott cuts Damar Hamlin over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, WinterSoldier17 said: He’d never do that. It’s just easier scamming the Pegulas and fan base for more dough and empty speeches. I do agree it’s extremely comical at this point, and I can’t believe I’m saying this…worse than before. Incredible feat. The ultimate blockhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 So how many people jumped up after the first FG went wide and yelled “He missed it ! He missed it!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 It was funny how the broadcast started counting and then just F it, it was easily 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 So "12 on the field" was what triggered you huh? I get it, it's happening to all of us at different moments now. It's called a coachaneedtobeafired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, nbbillsfan said: Who coaches rest of season if he goes? Jeff Saturday? I mean I’m in, who cares Shtupp and the Bulldog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 This loss was all on the players. It's not McDermott's fault that the only hope left in the game was that the Donkeys would miss a field goal. Picks, drops, and fumbles are not the coach's fault, sorry. This isn't Pop Warner. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: A billionaire fracking mogul doesn't strike me as kitty cat, he is a bit fat I suppose. He’s free to prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, BobbyC81 said: So how many people jumped up after the first FG went wide and yelled “He missed it ! He missed it!” I did for sure. My only solace is that it wasn’t one of those things where a Bills player was half a step from getting off the field and they snapped it. this was flat out 12 guys just standing there. what a joke. McDermott calls it “inexcusable”. Ok, now what Sean?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 this is me. but replace scott with everyone who praised McDermott since 13 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, zow2 said: I did for sure. My only solace is that it wasn’t one of those things where a Bills player was half a step from getting off the field and they snapped it. this was flat out 12 guys just standing there. what a joke. McDermott calls it “inexcusable”. Ok, now what Sean?!? 2 to 1 odds he fires the special teams coach to save his job for one more season. The problem with that is it still leaves the offense a mess and the defense, regardless of injuries, can't get off the field or make a meaningful stop. The team has no identity and while I've been slow to come around to the idea the HC has got to go! The culture and process have failed. Edited November 14, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: 2 to 1 odds he fires the special teams coach to save his job for one more season. The problem with that is it still leaves the offense a mess and the defense, regardless of injuries, can't get off the field or make a meaningful stop. The team has no identity and while I've been slow to come around to the idea the HC has got to go! The culture and process have failed. Yeah this is the season that Rex and Greg Roman may not be so bad. The team should be playing more conservative since the QB is a bit of a mental case right now. Not blaming him solely for last night though. but the first halves have been atrocious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, skibum said: This loss was all on the players. It's not McDermott's fault that the only hope left in the game was that the Donkeys would miss a field goal. Picks, drops, and fumbles are not the coach's fault, sorry. This isn't Pop Warner. Taking Cook off the field for three offensive series when he was the most potent offensive threat isn't down to the players. Blitzing on 3 and 10 out of FG range when the Broncos had just seen the move isn't the players. Constantly slowing down the tempo on offense when uptempo is key isn't the players. Abandoning the run game when it's working isn't the players. Not being able to count to twelve after a timeout goes beyond the players. Turning up looking unfocused and unprepared each week goes beyond the players. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Bout time we got this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 McD is creating a long list of stupid play calls and this one maybe his best work yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 8 hours ago, phypon said: They even called a timeout the play before, lol. Good God!!! Wow! Didn't even realize that. What a joke, 13 seconds, now this. Unacceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 McDermott now has a track record of tightening up and then choking at the end of close games. It’s time to move on, but Terry will need more convincing. Luckily, the schedule is about to do that work for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 We've reached Ralph krueger putting Jeff Skinner on the 4th line level of incompetence at OBD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 hours ago, BobbyC81 said: So how many people jumped up after the first FG went wide and yelled “He missed it ! He missed it!” Me for sure. And then 5 seconds later, I crash landed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, BobbyC81 said: So how many people jumped up after the first FG went wide and yelled “He missed it ! He missed it!” I jumped up when the Refs were conferring and said: ”OMG, McClapper called a brain dead Time Out- again!” But NO, he was saved by that buffoonery, because he had the 12th Man playing on the final, kick in the balls, loser play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Three losses on defense & special teams. Jets, NE & Denver...... But don't foget the "Process".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Fallser said: I think I'm starting to warm up to McDermott being the issue...these ridiculous in-game problems keep arising...that's on Sean. He and Ken may need to get packing.... Starting to warm up? How is it taking people this long to see what's in front of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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