JMM Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I just went and double checked to see if my eyes deceived me. Nope, he didn't play a down on the last two possessions!! Can somebody explain why they didn't play their most effective pass rusher this season on ONE down with the game on the line??? He's not on the injury report. Rousseau was playing on the inside, Von on right and Floyd on the left. Are you telling me he couldn't have been more effective? Are you telling me couldn't have come in with fresh legs, at least once or twice ?? I would like to have somebody have McDermott explain that strategy. It seems incredible. Maybe I'm missing something? Maybe he was shaken up but it wasn't discussed? If not...WTF???? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 They'd been saving Von all night and wanted him on the field in crunch time, I guess. And while Epenesa is improving, he has not become a better player than Floyd yet. 2 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Von isn’t even close to being effective right now. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 If true then I agree it seems odd. But there were a lot of odd things about this game, so it tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Simon said: They'd been saving Von all night and wanted him on the field in crunch time. And while Epenesa is improving, he has not become a better player than Floyd yet. 59 was on the field, Groot and Oliver at DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Von is no Epenesa 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Maybe they want to keep his sack numbers as low as possible so he’s more affordable. Belichick wrote the book on keeping running backs cheap by crowdsourcing so no one could put up numbers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: 59 was on the field, Groot and Oliver at DT. I thought I saw him as well, but the OP said it was Von out there. Maybe they were both getting snaps. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) At this point in Von's recovery, I would have much rather seen Epenesa out there at the end of the game over Von. Von looks like he doesn't have any burst or closing speed right now. Edited October 16, 2023 by MPL 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: I thought I saw him as well, but the OP said it was Von out there. Maybe they were both getting snaps. 🤷♂️ I honestly didn’t see him either (talking Von) and he shouldn’t have been either. Maybe AJ got dinged up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) I was wondering where the hell he was too and thought he must have been in injured because only a moron would pull him. He was schooling that rent-a-left tackle that was thrown into the fire before being "removed". Nothing like helping your opponent out. Edited October 16, 2023 by Nuncha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Epenesa is far more dangerous than Von right now and tbh kid might even be better. I’m liking what we all been seeing with Epenesa, keep that kid on the field! 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Simon said: They'd been saving Von all night and wanted him on the field in crunch time, I guess. And while Epenesa is improving, he has not become a better player than Floyd yet. You haven't been watching the games this season then, including the first half, where he once again had a huge sack in the red zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 didn’t see much of epenesa on field after he sacked Tyrod and almost got unsportsmanlike penalty after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: 59 was on the field, Groot and Oliver at DT. That's Jonathan, Espy is #57. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Line up Groot and Oliver on the inside and Floyd and Epenesa on the edges on obvious passing situations. Edited October 16, 2023 by Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 39 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: Von isn’t even close to being effective right now. Von Miller is a liability out there. Rushing wide and opening up a gaping hole on every play. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Von Miller is a liability out there. Rushing wide and opening up a gaping hole on every play. Its under 2 minutes though, you aren't worried about gaping holes in the run game. Just trying to get a direct route to the QB, he was flying around the edge and tyrod was throwing 4 yard out routes. 21 minutes ago, Beast said: Line up Groot and Oliver on the inside and Floyd and Epenesa on the edges on obvious passing situations. I noticed they've been lining up Miller on the Left a lot, does he usually line up on that side? Or is that just for the 4 pass rusher sub package they were running? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 44 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: Epenesa is far more dangerous than Von right now and tbh kid might even be better. I’m liking what we all been seeing with Epenesa, keep that kid on the field! Use him while we’ve got him. Good as gone next year. Sucks he waited for a contract year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Toledo Bill said: Use him while we’ve got him. Good as gone next year. Sucks he waited for a contract year. Not his fault, imo he has just developed. He was a heavy DE when we drafted him. Bills got him to lose a bunch of weight for speed. He’s finally been able to put it all together 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Simon said: They'd been saving Von all night and wanted him on the field in crunch time, I guess. And while Epenesa is improving, he has not become a better player than Floyd yet. Yet he's better than Von as things stand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Von Miller is a liability out there. Rushing wide and opening up a gaping hole on every play. He did that pre-injury too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: Epenesa is far more dangerous than Von right now and tbh kid might even be better. I’m liking what we all been seeing with Epenesa, keep that kid on the field! I wish we would have saved money on Miller to have been able to keep Floyd and AJE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, boyst said: I wish we would have saved money on Miller to have been able to keep Floyd and AJE Wait, just want to make sure I’m understanding this correctly (honestly not trying to be an ass, just wondering about your timeline). You wish the Bills had signed Miller for less last year with the hopes of signing AJE to an extension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, boyst said: I wish we would have saved money on Miller to have been able to keep Floyd and AJE Next season is Miller's last on that contract, it was basically a three year deal...I would think they can still keep AJE, more so I don't think Miller was ever going to be the contract that prevents AJE, but I'm more hoping someone who might know more detail on the cap could weigh in, cause that's not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Wait, just want to make sure I’m understanding this correctly (honestly not trying to be an ass, just wondering about your timeline). You wish the Bills had signed Miller for less last year with the hopes of signing AJE to an extension? I haven't been big on the Miller signing, so yeah essentially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I was wondering about this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 EJ was sucking O2 in London from heroics. Maybe the altitude above the Falls got him O2 by 4th 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Only played 27% of snaps. Very weird. Especially with Kingley in for the last series. Maybe worries about his run support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) Von was far from true form. With his injury and age, he may never return to former self. I hope he does, or it will be a colossal failed pickup. Edited October 17, 2023 by Araiza Curse 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Von was far from true form. With his injury and age, he may never return to former self. I hope he does, or it will be a colossal failed pickup. Or a great pick up marred by a horrific injury? He looked absolutely incredible before injury. 🤔 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Trying to get Von back into form should not be a part of a drive where we have to have a stop to win the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 12 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: Von isn’t even close to being effective right now. Invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Yeah and with 9 seconds left and Von really not back to form yet...........I think you want that length of Epenesa out there to knock the ball down or get Taylor to the turf. Taylor ran right into an Ed Oliver game-ending sack........but short-arm-Ed allowed Tyrod to run thru it and get out of bounds with 2 seconds still on the clock. Giants team played out of their minds across the board but Buffalo just needs to complete a pass to a wide open Knox OR Oliver to wrap up Taylor and the Giants never get to the goal line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 13 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: Von isn’t even close to being effective right now. He beat his man quite a bit last night. He's getting better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Or a great pick up marred by a horrific injury? He looked absolutely incredible before injury. 🤔 Part of being a good GM is also taking on or not signing inherent risks with older players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Part of being a good GM is also taking on or not signing inherent risks with older players. You people amaze me. Beane brings in a stud blue chip FA to freaking ***** hole Buffalo, NY and fans rejoice and sing his praises. The poor guy shreds his knee (purely coincidentally), is playing but not fully up to game speed after 2 games, and now Beane is culpable for a move that may or may not work out… Y’all are fickle….and churlish. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: You people amaze me. Beane brings in a stud blue chip FA to freaking ***** hole Buffalo, NY and fans rejoice and sing his praises. The poor guy shreds his knee (purely coincidentally), is playing but not fully up to game speed after 2 games, and now Beane is culpable for a move that may or may not work out… Y’all are fickle….and churlish. Results oriented business. We gave TO a key to the city. Didn't matter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: Wait, just want to make sure I’m understanding this correctly (honestly not trying to be an ass, just wondering about your timeline). You wish the Bills had signed Miller for less last year with the hopes of signing AJE to an extension? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 13 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: Von isn’t even close to being effective right now. Von wasn’t getting to the quarterback, but damn he was timing the snap like a boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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