Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

[dpberr]

I blame the coaching staff to a degree for Elam's play and Kingsley Jonathan exhausted a lot today.

 

This isn't Madden - you can't shelf guys for games and then ask them to instantly play an entire game and also do it well. 

[No_Matter_What]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

We blitzed because we weren’t getting any penetration with 4. Multiple opportunities for coverage sacks today but couldn’t even collapse the pocket. What’s disheartening is Kaiir was put in position as that boundary corner to be in mostly man situations but lost leverage or didn’t understand what leverage to play with many times.

 

However, lack of execution offensively is why we lost this game.

My understanding of football is maybe 1/1000 of yours so I don't dare to comment on the first part, but the last sentence is spot on. We lost because offense didn't execute.

[whorlnut]

16 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Let’s blame Kaiir for Milano and Jones for being injured. Let’s blame Kaiir for the offensive no show the first 3 drives. You clown. 

Elam sucks dude. End of story. Accept it. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

He was routinely targeted, routinely beat, and routinely frustrated.

 

Some fans thought he was a healthy scratch in previous games simply because Benford is better.

 

Yeah, Benford is better… but Elam is also a bad player.

They’re not mutually exclusive. 

Yes and he should be traded, but they wont.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

Ridley is a solid player. I’m not sure there’s anybody on the roster who was gonna cover him today without leaving Kirk and engram open all day. 

 

Ridley last week: 2 receptions for 32 yards

Ridley the previous week: 3 receptions for 40 yards

Ridley the previous previous week: 2 receptions for 38 yards

 

Ridley is a good player but let’s not pretend he is some unstoppable force. I am confident that Tre or Benford would not have allowed the game Ridley had today.

 

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I didn’t jump in here to defend Elams play or make excuses for him. I just thought there were much bigger takeaways from the loss 

 

Sure, there may be bigger takeaways. So go post in threads that discuss those. Why hijack a thread talking about one problem to repeatedly say “but there are other problems tooooo”?

[metbill]

Forget Elam, Dane Jackson is an absolute waste of space.  Every critical completion, he is 10 yards off the receiver.  Got to play close and physical in this league and he can do neither.

[whorlnut]

At least elam can tell his grandkids he was a first round pick…

[gonzo1105]

The simping for Elam on this board solely because he was a first rounder are disgusting. 
 

I told people when he was drafted he was a 2nd rounder at best and we reached. He had a terrible senior year. His strength is press man but he doesn’t use his feet and always grabs. Can’t get away with that in the NFL. 
 

They literally at times had a LB chucking his guy on the line of scrimmage like a RB or TE does for a crappy OT. 

[Big Turk]

21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He’s bad.

 

He hasn't played in a long time and he looked pretty good late in the year last season...

 

Bills can blame themselves for that one.

[Nelius]

Completely. Can’t play him again. Dude is lost 

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Ridley last week: 2 receptions for 32 yards

Ridley the previous week: 3 receptions for 40 yards

Ridley the previous previous week: 2 receptions for 38 yards

 

Ridley is a good player but let’s not pretend he is some unstoppable force. I am confident that Tre or Benford would not have allowed the game Ridley had today.

 

 

Sure, there may be bigger takeaways. So go post in threads that discuss those. Why hijack a thread talking about one problem to repeatedly say “but there are other problems tooooo”?

I won’t engage in your threads in the future. We can agree on that 👍 

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

What’s disheartening is Kaiir was put in position as that boundary corner to be in mostly man situations but lost leverage or didn’t understand what leverage to play with many times.

 

I was going to ask you what you thought of our WR’s reaction to defensive leverage in this game. Sure seemed like from the broadcast that everyone outside of Diggs was in bad leverage situations and was part of the reason why the offense struggled in the first half.

[TheBrownBear]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Yes and he should be traded, but they wont.

Seriously, other than a controllable rookie contract, what kind of value does he have at this point?  I guess we could maybe swap him for a 5th or something?

[Process]

He is not an NFL player right now. The Bills have ZERO depth at CB. 

 

Benford is hurt, and even when he is back, Ingram is our primary backup outside. 

 

Hyde is apparently our #4 CB. We have no one. 

[DrPJax]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Yes, Doug Pederson implemented the Kaiir Elam plan. I also think his badness is why the Bills blitzed so much - whoever he was covering was going to get open.

     True,He was poor , but run d has continued to be an issue all year. D failed to take anything away consistently today, being terrible in 3rd downs. .  D has been  giving  up 6 yards plus a carry.  That and the many missed tackles sealed the game with the long rushing  TD.  D played perfectly last week. This week unfortunately with all the injuries, things compounded. Bills will be vulnerable to teams who can run effectively in addition to their passing attack ,especially with the small lb corp.  

 

       Today with the  terrible breakdowns in coverage missing the two starting db’s, and all world lb Milano being out, and the o choosing  not to show up for 3 quarters resulted in losing to a team who had struggled. This is why despite coming off 3 wins, many still expected the jags to pull the upset. This is a very very good staff, but every year they do something that seems inexplicable, and they manage once again to lose to a jags team that beat them 2 years ago in a similar way, and you would think they wouldn’t keep repeating the same ugly mistakes.  Quite a different coaching job, production than what we saw last week    The o needed to score more than 7 before the 4th quarter; hard to understand NO sense of urgency until it was really too much to overcome.  This is still an issue with Dorsey ; has a game where o is not producing and he does nothing to change the pace / playcalling until its desperation time.  Hope he learns at some point ,because this inconsistency will hurt them down the road in the playoff hunt for home field games.

      At times  Allen seems to lose situational awareness where he reverts to making risky throws over choosing to run for what looks like obtainable 1st  downs,  or at the least getting the team in FG range. Those decisions add up over a  game and there are too many examples  with this staff when big plays still end up in failed drives with no points at all. IMHO, It’s really frustrating to watch such A talented  team at times keep  hurting themselves, but it’s become a recurrent theme over several years and seems even  more apparent under DORSEY’s offensive guidance.               It’s frustrating  to watch them go 3 quarters or have long lulls in scoring followed by periods of scoring at will  ONLY AFTER they have created desperate situations for themselves. It felt like they had overcome that after all the games following the JETS, and then they throw this type of game out there and it becomes evident why national media types are reluctant to believe the BILLS will ever SUSTAIN success over an entire season. Sadly, the injuries today may have really added another large obstacle to their chances at that SB that looked so possible last week. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by DrPJax

[Captain Hindsight]

30 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

They picked on him in all big moments. We got outcoached in addition to a lot of other things

Bills held them to 11 most of the game. Our own drops arguably hurt more than Elams play. 
 

McDermott had his hands full. Losing Tre and Benford last week and Milano early today, Just sucks. Elam needs to be better going forward but getting Benford back with be a big help 

[OldTimer1960]

38 minutes ago, Beast said:

I thought they picked on Jackson in the 1st half and Elam in the 2nd.

 

Regardless, we are hurting at Corner and Linebacker and our offense stunk up the United Kingdom. Our defense had only given up 11 through 3 quarters. They just ran out of gas late.

Being without Greg Rousseau was a bigger blow than many realize.  He has developed into a good and still improving player.  In addition, D was on the field for a lot of the game because the O wasn’t doing its job.

[boyst]

24 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

We blitzed because we weren’t getting any penetration with 4. Multiple opportunities for coverage sacks today but couldn’t even collapse the pocket. What’s disheartening is Kaiir was put in position as that boundary corner to be in mostly man situations but lost leverage or didn’t understand what leverage to play with many times.

 

However, lack of execution offensively is why we lost this game.

👍👍👍

Always preaching truth. He may need to be a field corner. And even then... I don't know. He just... isn't right. Last year he was fine.

 

I am ready for some Ingram. And id trade elam for his own sake to resurrect his career. 

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Ridley last week: 2 receptions for 32 yards

Ridley the previous week: 3 receptions for 40 yards

Ridley the previous previous week: 2 receptions for 38 yards

 

Ridley is a good player but let’s not pretend he is some unstoppable force. I am confident that Tre or Benford would not have allowed the game Ridley had today.

 

 

Sure, there may be bigger takeaways. So go post in threads that discuss those. Why hijack a thread talking about one problem to repeatedly say “but there are other problems tooooo”?

Benford would have been a great matchup for him. The instincts and almostly seeming luck he has to defend a pass.

 

White would have shut him down. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Benford would have been a great matchup for him. The instincts and almostly seeming luck he has to defend a pass.

 

White would have shut him down. 

 

Agreed.

[Bubba Gump]

42 minutes ago, Einstein said:

He was routinely targeted, routinely beat, and routinely frustrated.

 

Some fans thought he was a healthy scratch in previous games simply because Benford is better.

 

Yeah, Benford is better… but Elam is also a bad player.

They’re not mutually exclusive. 

 

Elam was completely turned around on a couple plays I saw. I don't know wtf he was doing. He looked lost. 

[julian]

Elam had a bad game, O’Cyrus had his first bad rookie game.

[billsfan89]

Elam didn’t play well but I think it’s better he takes his lumps now so that by December he hopefully gets into form and is rolling. He had some nice plays like a good jam or two on Ridley. 
 

McD is one of the best secondary coaches in the league I am sure it will work out in the long run.

[HoofHearted]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

👍👍👍

Always preaching truth. He may need to be a field corner. And even then... I don't know. He just... isn't right. Last year he was fine.

Don’t want to put him to the field - he’s gonna be asked to play a ton of zone coverage there. You always want your best man guy to the boundary. To me it looks like he doesn’t have a wholistic understanding of the defense. Multiple times we were in 2 man today and he jump inside leverage quick on the receiver stem and then gets beat outside. Like dude… you got help inside and over top so stay your butt outside and underneath…

[Dablitzkrieg]

48 minutes ago, Einstein said:

He was routinely targeted, routinely beat, and routinely frustrated.

 

Some fans thought he was a healthy scratch in previous games simply because Benford is better.

 

Yeah, Benford is better… but Elam is also a bad player.

They’re not mutually exclusive. 

You act like you are the only bills fan with eyes

[boyst]

13 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Don’t want to put him to the field - he’s gonna be asked to play a ton of zone coverage there. You always want your best man guy to the boundary. To me it looks like he doesn’t have a wholistic understanding of the defense. Multiple times we were in 2 man today and he jump inside leverage quick on the receiver stem and then gets beat outside. Like dude… you got help inside and over top so stay your butt outside and underneath…

I just want to see him succeed. I want to believe. And I know I'm wrong. But damn it I want to be right. 

[Sandhill Mike]

Elam has the wheels... he's always right there when the receiver catches the ball.  I guess they thought they could coach him up?  Hopefully some experience and some of the vets can teach him a few things.  Who's out there that the Bills can get?  Do we need to hold open tryouts for DBs?

[SCBills]

I’ve been a big Elam “hopeful”, but that was absolutely brutal today.  
 

With these injuries piling up, I’m probably ok moving him for a mid-late pick - to gain back a pick we’ll inevitably have to trade to bring in an actual fit for our Defense. 
 

Our DL, even without Daquan, has so much talent, but if they don’t get home, Elam might as well not even be on the field after that display I saw today. 
 

Edited October 8, 2023 by SCBills

[BeastMaster]

They had him giving a cushion to Calvin Ridley

 

Nobody is covering Ridley when he's given a free start

[SCBills]

Just now, BeastMaster said:

They had him giving a cushion to Calvin Ridley

 

Nobody is covering Ridley when he's given a free start

He needs to play on a defense that allows him to play press man more often than not. 
 

That’s clearly not us. 

[Roundybout]

Trade him and a second to Denver for Surtain. 

[Dick_Cheney]

2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Trade him and a second to Denver for Surtain. 

Lol why would they want him?

[Billl]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Trade him and a second to Denver for Surtain. 

You mean two firsts and a second?

[billsfan89]

9 minutes ago, Sandhill Mike said:

Elam has the wheels... he's always right there when the receiver catches the ball.  I guess they thought they could coach him up?  Hopefully some experience and some of the vets can teach him a few things.  Who's out there that the Bills can get?  Do we need to hold open tryouts for DBs?

I also think you kind of have to give Elam a “break” on this game at least factoring in the circumstances to his performance. He was inactive the first four weeks and then gets thrusted into a starting role against a good WR in London a place he never played before. Oh and the opposition played in London the week before. 
 

It’s understandable he had a bad game. I trust McD to coach him up and allow him the time to work out the kinks. I suspect how he looks the next two weeks will be how he is going to be this season.

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Lol why would they want him?

They need draft capital to move up for Caleb Williams 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

It was on the verge of getting Chris Watson bad.

[HoofHearted]

48 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I was going to ask you what you thought of our WR’s reaction to defensive leverage in this game. Sure seemed like from the broadcast that everyone outside of Diggs was in bad leverage situations and was part of the reason why the offense struggled in the first half.

We don’t do a great job of running routes in general, Diggs included at times. Forget leverage - we run routes like they’re drawn on a board. Very little stemming, leaning, jab steps, head fakes, etc.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

I thought they picked on Jackson in the 1st half and Elam in the 2nd.

 

Regardless, we are hurting at Corner and Linebacker and our offense stunk up the United Kingdom. Our defense had only given up 11 through 3 quarters. They just ran out of gas late.

 

LB seemed fine.  Depth is an issue but Williams looked solid.  We need a CB in a trade 

15 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

They had him giving a cushion to Calvin Ridley

 

Nobody is covering Ridley when he's given a free start

 

if they had him giving a cushion and his forte is press, that is on McD. 

[Beast]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

LB seemed fine.  Depth is an issue but Williams looked solid.  We need a CB in a trade 

Did you see Williams and Bernard on J’ville’s last TD?

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Beast

[RyanC883]

6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I also think you kind of have to give Elam a “break” on this game at least factoring in the circumstances to his performance. He was inactive the first four weeks and then gets thrusted into a starting role against a good WR in London a place he never played before. Oh and the opposition played in London the week before. 
 

It’s understandable he had a bad game. I trust McD to coach him up and allow him the time to work out the kinks. I suspect how he looks the next two weeks will be how he is going to be this season.

 

I like the optimism here, but have to disagree because McD had weeks to coach him up when he was inactive for games. 

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Did you see Williams and Bernard on J’ville’s last TD?

 

 

 

no.  was listening on the radio for that one.  sounds like contain was lost. figured DE issue

[Beast]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I like the optimism here, but have to disagree because McD had weeks to coach him up when he was inactive for games. 

 

no.  was listening on the radio for that one.  sounds like contain was lost. figured DE issue

They were both swallowed.

 

However, I agree with you that CB is the focus here.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Beast