Fan dies in stands after fight at Patriots game

[Bubba Gump]

Police are investigating what happened. This is something no one should ever have to witness during what should be a good time. Very disturbing, no matter what triggered it. 

 

https://www.nbcboston.com/on-air/as-seen-on/police-investigating-fans-death-during-sundays-patriots-game-at-gillette-stadium/3139210/

[JoPoy88]

This type of nonsense has happened out west at dodger games several times in the past 10 years or so. 

[Bubba Gump]

Guy was a 30 year season ticket holder too. 

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

This type of nonsense has happened out west at dodger games several times in the past 10 years or so. 

 

Sometimes people get badly hurt during dumb fights. Childish disregard for the magnitude of consequences and the scale of variables beyond our control.

[Bubba Gump]

3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Sometimes people get badly hurt during dumb fights. Childish disregard for the magnitude of consequences and the scale of variables beyond our control.

 

People don't seem to realize that one single punch to someone's head can be fatal. I saw it during a softball game at Cobbs Hill in Rochester. Two guys got into it, and one punch later, one of them was dead. That's why I've never punched anyone since then, it really freaked me out. That was like 20 years ago. I know a few other non-fatal ways to de-escalate a situation. Thankfully I'm past that point in my life.....I think. Not to mention, I'm surrounded by the greatest Bills fans in my section that I could ever hope for. Never an issue. And I'm 4 rows behind Jim Kelly and family. Yeah, that's right, I'm that f'n special, lol. 

[John from Riverside]

What is it about us 53 year olds that we gotta fill our oats and get in the fights
 

In my younger days, I was at Gillette stadium with a season-ticket holder who had a beer dumped on his head and I tried to throw the guy onto the football field

 

It was stupid then and it’s stupid now

[reddogblitz]

48 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Sometimes people get badly hurt during dumb fights. Childish disregard for the magnitude of consequences and the scale of variables beyond our control.

 

Especially when you add alcohol to the mix.

[BillsShredder83]

you know ive seen a lot of innocent 2nd parties to shenanigans, get thrown out of games.... hell, one year me and about 8 dudes went to a game together and got kicked out 90mins before kickoff.

 

was late december game, buddy went to take a leak, and as he was coming back up the stairs, my other buddy reflexively made a quick snow ball and tossed it underhand down "at" him. we were all in our mid 20s. there was hardly anyone even in their seats, and nobody around us

 

Erie county sheriff came down, threw both pitcher and catcher out without a 2nd thought.  the buddy plead his case "what would you like me to do here, i had a snowball from a friend thrown AT ME, which i caught?!?!"

 

Sheriff pointed at the whole row of us, said everybodies out, and ended up arresting the catcher for disorderly because he kept arguing. crazy right!

 

My point is, ive seen a bunch thrown out, and it always pisses me off.... but at the end of the day, sh*t like this killing happens a few times a year, diff sports/cities, and i kinda get it now.  Feel like you g2 toss anyone sticking outta the pack to keep this kinda crap from happening. A freakin 30yr season ticket fan?!?! how many of us know the bills fan version of that

Even (potentially) feel bad for the other guy. Mild punches right on 'the button' knock people out, and we live in a concrete world.  Alcohol certainly at play, wake up the next day to yours, your families, another families, and the poor sap you never meant to actually cause grave harm too, lives in a whirlwind. Ughhhhh

[CSBill]

I'll be "get off my lawn guy" and say it: Alcohol ruins the fan experience for so many who just want to go and cheer and watch the game while a bunch of idiots get liquid courage and say and do stupid things that make it uncomfortable for so many people around them that have to endure the stupidity. It is not always like that, but unfortunately, it has been my experience more than not.

[All_Pro_Bills]

27 minutes ago, CSBill said:

I'll be "get off my lawn guy" and say it: Alcohol ruins the fan experience for so many who just want to go and cheer and watch the game while a bunch of idiots get liquid courage and say and do stupid things that make it uncomfortable for so many people around them that have to endure the stupidity. It is not always like that, but unfortunately, it has been my experience more than not.

Staggering, vomiting, belligerent drunks can really ruin the game day experience.  Especially if you're introducing younger fans to the live-game experience.

Edited September 19, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[ProcessTruster]

21 minutes ago, CSBill said:

I'll be "get off my lawn guy" and say it: Alcohol ruins the fan experience for so many who just want to go and cheer and watch the game while a bunch of idiots get liquid courage and say and do stupid things that make it uncomfortable for so many people around them that have to endure the stupidity. It is not always like that, but unfortunately, it has been my experience more than not.

Yeah the in stadium experience pretty much sucks these days.  NFL games are just an excuse to get completely hammered for 5-10  guys in every section of the lower bowl of every stadium every game .  and they wreck it for everyone else in the section.   they stand the entire game, hootin and hollerin trash and anyone under 6 feet tall can't watch the game and have to watch the idiocy for 3-4 hours.  it just sucks.  Personally, I don't care bc I'm 6'4", 225 and don't give a crap what anyone does, but just ruins it; I end up having to stand and then that's it for anyone behind me.   And it they are fans of the other team, fuggedabadit

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

you know ive seen a lot of innocent 2nd parties to shenanigans, get thrown out of games.... hell, one year me and about 8 dudes went to a game together and got kicked out 90mins before kickoff.

 

was late december game, buddy went to take a leak, and as he was coming back up the stairs, my other buddy reflexively made a quick snow ball and tossed it underhand down "at" him. we were all in our mid 20s. there was hardly anyone even in their seats, and nobody around us

 

Erie county sheriff came down, threw both pitcher and catcher out without a 2nd thought.  the buddy plead his case "what would you like me to do here, i had a snowball from a friend thrown AT ME, which i caught?!?!"

 

Sheriff pointed at the whole row of us, said everybodies out, and ended up arresting the catcher for disorderly because he kept arguing. crazy right!

 

My point is, ive seen a bunch thrown out, and it always pisses me off.... but at the end of the day, sh*t like this killing happens a few times a year, diff sports/cities, and i kinda get it now.  Feel like you g2 toss anyone sticking outta the pack to keep this kinda crap from happening. A freakin 30yr season ticket fan?!?! how many of us know the bills fan version of that

Even (potentially) feel bad for the other guy. Mild punches right on 'the button' knock people out, and we live in a concrete world.  Alcohol certainly at play, wake up the next day to yours, your families, another families, and the poor sap you never meant to actually cause grave harm too, lives in a whirlwind. Ughhhhh

Would you punch someone in front of you in line at the auto dealership?  If the answer is no, then don't do it at a football game either.  And, if the answer is yes, then don't do it at a football game and these problems don't exist.  

[Gugny]

I’ve been very lucky over the years, as I’ve never seen one fight and I’ve only seen two people wasted beyond belief. 
 

One quietly passed out in his seat in Buffalo. Another was harmless, but waaaay too drunk - and that was in Cincy.  Both were quietly escorted away, with no issues.  
 

The worst fan behavior I’ve seen was in Buffalo at a game vs. Denver (not too many years ago). During halftime, I saw a security guard politely and calmly ask a drunken Broncos fan to put out his cigarette. 
 

The Broncos fan argued with him that it was BS, blah, blah, blah.  The security guard calmly explained the rules, told him to put it out and quietly walked away. 
 

Then the Broncos fan called him a stupid N word, but of course it wasn’t loud enough for the guard to hear. Pus.sy. 
 

[PatsFanNH]

5 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Police are investigating what happened. This is something no one should ever have to witness during what should be a good time. Very disturbing, no matter what triggered it. 

 

https://www.nbcboston.com/on-air/as-seen-on/police-investigating-fans-death-during-sundays-patriots-game-at-gillette-stadium/3139210/

I feel for any kid who had to see this happen.  Also the man who threw the punch will have to live with this for the rest of his life. 
 

  I never understood getting that upset at a GAME. I still have to go to work the next day if they win by a 100 or lose by 100. So no need get mad and start fighting.  I mean I’ve been to the meadowlands, I have seen the Pats play in Buffalo (years ago before Bledsoe lol)  and most were fine. Heck Bills fans told me my team won’t always suck lol. 

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Staggering, vomiting, belligerent drunks can really ruin the game day experience.  Especially if you're introducing younger fans to the live-game experience.

Absolutely agree.  I take my kids to amerks and sabres game and they love it.

 

I took them to there first bills game last year and we had to leave by half time because of all the drunken idiots swearing and talking ***** to each other through the whole half (nothing they haven't heard before but to have it go on and on non-stop even made me uncomfortable).

[Bob in STL]

I have seen way too much rowdiness in Rich/Ralph/Highmark over the decades.  Fights, drunkenness, profanity, was often the norm.   Seems worse than ever so I stopped going.  

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Absolutely agree.  I take my kids to amerks and sabres game and they love it.

 

I took them to there first bills game last year and we had to leave by half time because of all the drunken idiots swearing and talking ***** to each other through the whole half (nothing they haven't heard before but to have it go on and on non-stop even made me uncomfortable).

That is awful! How are these people getting home? I don’t want be around them driving.

[SoonerBillsFan]

I was very fortunate when I brought my grandson to his 1st ever Bills game against the Vikings last year.  No one was an ahole...no one.  They welcomed him and loved he was seeing his first live game, his first in the stadium and did so all the way from Oklahoma.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

What is it about us 53 year olds that we gotta fill our oats and get in the fights
 

In my younger days, I was at Gillette stadium with a season-ticket holder who had a beer dumped on his head and I tried to throw the guy onto the football field

 

It was stupid then and it’s stupid now

Speak for yourself. My fighting days are long over 

[BuffaloBillyG]

55 minutes ago, CSBill said:

I'll be "get off my lawn guy" and say it: Alcohol ruins the fan experience for so many who just want to go and cheer and watch the game while a bunch of idiots get liquid courage and say and do stupid things that make it uncomfortable for so many people around them that have to endure the stupidity. It is not always like that, but unfortunately, it has been my experience more than not.

Pretty accurate tbh. 

 

Gave up my seasons a couple years ago for this reason. I get it. It's a reason to cut loose, have fun and such. Back when I was younger it seemed there were more people that would get drunker later on in the game. But first 3 quarters were fairly tame. Almost every game I went to the last few years I have seen people stagger in through the gate. My bet is the more the tailgating experience has grown combined with the absolutely ridiculous beer prices in the stadium more people focus on imbibing before the game.

 

Of course after kickoff no one settles in and watches the game anymore either.half the game is spent with people walking back and forth up and down the aisle to go on beer runs, bathroom breaks and such. The in person experience has moved for watching a football game to a party with a game in the background. Make sure to take those selfies too, gotta get the perfect shot for your Facebook. 

[AuntieEm]

10 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Absolutely agree.  I take my kids to amerks and sabres game and they love it.

 

I took them to there first bills game last year and we had to leave by half time because of all the drunken idiots swearing and talking ***** to each other through the whole half (nothing they haven't heard before but to have it go on and on non-stop even made me uncomfortable).

Curious if the autopsy comes back that the man died of a heart attack and it wasn't some hit to the mans chest, say the fight was more verbal in nature but very heated and the man went into cardiac arrest if the other person will get charged in any manner.  I'm not condoning even that type of altercation but it is possible the man was not in greatest health and a cardiac arrest could be the cause of death and if the fight in stands was mainly verbal  how would they proceed or would they just bar the other parties from any future games at any nfl stadium, and hope that it may get some fans to modify their trash talking in future?

Edited September 19, 2023 by AuntieEm

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, AuntieEm said:

Curious if the autopsy comes back that the man died of a heart attack and it wasn't some hit to the m a no chest, say the fight was more verbal in nature but very heated and the man went into cardiac arrest if the other person will get charged in any manner.  I'm not condoning even that type of altercation but it is possible the man was not in greatest health and a cardiac arrest could be the cause of death and if the fight in stands was mainly verbal  how would they proceed or would they just bar the other parties from any future games at any nfl stadium, and hope that it may get some fans to modify their trash talking in future?

It was reported he was punched in the face. They MAY Say that brought on the heart attack if it was a heart attack. Again no idea why you ever need get physical in a game. At 53 someone being a jerk to me I just go and grab security and have him kicked out.. I’m too old for that crap. 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

Alcohol ruins the fan experience for so many who just want to go and cheer and watch the game while a bunch of idiots get liquid courage

 

I agree, but I would say it is the choices people make, not the alcohol.   Lots of alcoholics out there who think it is appropriate to get shitfaced at a football game.

[BuffaloBud]

Would like to travel up and see a game in person.  Crap like this just makes me happy to watch the games at home.

[Behindenemylines]

Maybe 6-7 years ago was at the Pats game at Gillette Christmas Eve with the whole extended family. Only Bills fan in MY group and in that section. Had a blast busting chops with everyone and we were all having fun. 
 

About the third I went down to take a leak.  Some guy way to drunk was getting nasty and started with little pushes etc. ignored him unto he reached around and tried grabbing my junk while I was doing my business.  Kept saying “No ***** no *****”
 

Had no choice but to plant my fist in his face and luckily dropped him. Pi$$ed on the guy next to me and the floor and then realized I’m surrounded by about 100 drunk Pats fans with junk hanging out. 
 

they kinda laughed and stepped over him and I got the hell out of there.   It was the first time I hit somebody in probably twenty years. 
 

Had to explain to the crew why my hand was bloody and swollen. Nephews still talk about it every Christmas and it’s their goto phrase playing pickup basketball etc.  

[Seventeen]

20 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Absolutely agree.  I take my kids to amerks and sabres game and they love it.

 

I took them to there first bills game last year and we had to leave by half time because of all the drunken idiots swearing and talking ***** to each other through the whole half (nothing they haven't heard before but to have it go on and on non-stop even made me uncomfortable).

 

Taking away the tailgate would help but why should 99% of fans be punished for those can't control themselves. 

[AuntieEm]

9 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

It was reported he was punched in the face. They MAY Say that brought on the heart attack if it was a heart attack. Again no idea why you ever need get physical in a game. At 53 someone being a jerk to me I just go and grab security and have him kicked out.. I’m too old for that crap. 

  I didn't see any info on any punches being thrown so yea assault at the very least and it turns into at least manslaughter I imagine as intent wasn't like murder but hard to say.  Really glad I prefer to watch the game at home.  9

[Magox]

That's awful.  My thoughts are with his grieving family.

[boyst]

fighting for such things is never worth it. it can go too wrong.

unless you're trying to protect someone or there is already trouble don't go looking for it.

[bmur66]

I won't go to a Bills game unless I score box seats. Too many drunken idiots in the stands. I have had to defend my wife because the a hole behind us was intentionally spilling beer on her. It's not worth it.

[AuntieEm]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

That's awful.  My thoughts are with his grieving family.

It's a sad situation all around.  I'd imagine it also will depend upon witnesses as to who started the fight initially.  If the fight was started by the Dolphins fan who threw the pun c h it is a bit more cut and dried.  If the pat fan started it and initiated some physical pushing shoving  the punch could be viewed as self defense.  I'd imagine any pushing and shoving would be very dangerous as most stadiums seems to have some steep seating that is dangerous even if all parties were sober and getting physical.

. 

7 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

I won't go to a Bills game unless I score box seats. Too many drunken idiots in the stands. I have had to defend my wife because the a hole behind us was intentionally spilling beer on her. It's not worth it.

Indeed too many people that think they can behave as they wish with no consequences.  You almost wish that the man who died was the instigator and just picked the wrong time to be an idiot.  

[Matt_In_NH]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloBud said:

Would like to travel up and see a game in person.  Crap like this just makes me happy to watch the games at home.

All you have to do is not engage with some random drunk and you are fine.  

[The Wiz]

40 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

 

Taking away the tailgate would help but why should 99% of fans be punished for those can't control themselves. 

The reality is even if they didn't allow it in the main lots there are still plenty of other places that is going to happen.  And it's not like people don't sit in there cars in the main lots and drink anyways so it's still going to happen regardless.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

I have seen way too much rowdiness in Rich/Ralph/Highmark over the decades.  Fights, drunkenness, profanity, was often the norm.   Seems worse than ever so I stopped going.  

and the pot..  it’s over the top. Took the kids to Bills Ravens last year and it smelled like a phish concert.  

[ToGoGo]

Did this many people die from fights in the old days? Like the 50s, 60s, 70s when fighting among guys was way more common? 
 

It seems like more people die or get severely hurt now. Is it from inexperience? No more fighting code among guys? 

[ProcessTruster]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

The reality is even if they didn't allow it in the main lots there are still plenty of other places that is going to happen.  And it's not like people don't sit in there cars in the main lots and drink anyways so it's still going to happen regardless.

cutting off beer sales at the half has backfired as the 5,000 a holes get even more blasted b4 the game even starts and the crazy stuff happens from the opening kickoff.  In the old days we'd all get drunk at the same pace together... 

[RiotAct]

damn… R.I.P.

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, AuntieEm said:

Curious if the autopsy comes back that the man died of a heart attack and it wasn't some hit to the mans chest, say the fight was more verbal in nature but very heated and the man went into cardiac arrest if the other person will get charged in any manner.  I'm not condoning even that type of altercation but it is possible the man was not in greatest health and a cardiac arrest could be the cause of death and if the fight in stands was mainly verbal  how would they proceed or would they just bar the other parties from any future games at any nfl stadium, and hope that it may get some fans to modify their trash talking in future?

The video said he was punched hard in the side of his head and crumpled to the ground.

[teef]

sometimes you have to murder someone at a football game...

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, AuntieEm said:

  I didn't see any info on any punches being thrown so yea assault at the very least and it turns into at least manslaughter I imagine as intent wasn't like murder but hard to say.  Really glad I prefer to watch the game at home.  9

I saw it on Pats Pulpit. The dolphin fan was punched twice in the face then slumped over in his seat.  (I don’t know how to share the article lol)  so I would agree sounds like Manslaughter.