Fan dies in stands after fight at Patriots game

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Staggering, vomiting, belligerent drunks can really ruin the game day experience.

 

 

[Gary Marangi]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I saw it on Pats Pulpit. The dolphin fan was punched twice in the face then slumped over in his seat.  (I don’t know how to share the article lol)  so I would agree sounds like Manslaughter. 

https://www.patspulpit.com/new-england-patriots-social-media-video-podcasts/2023/9/19/23880148/patriots-dolphins-fan-death-medical-emergency-gillette-stadium

[eball]

Another reason I’m glad the new stadium will price *some* idiots out of attending.

 

[aristocrat]

Imagine being the guy in prison for killing someone at a football game. 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBud said:

Would like to travel up and see a game in person.  Crap like this just makes me happy to watch the games at home.

I dunna know, i go to most games..think the last fight i saw was prolly sometime in 15 or 16? 

31 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

and the pot..  it’s over the top. Took the kids to Bills Ravens last year and it smelled like a phish concert.  

Well, thats everywhere. Dont walk down a street in DC or NYC or Chicago etc and not expect it to smell like skunk...freaking everywhere!

28 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

cutting off beer sales at the half has backfired as the 5,000 a holes get even more blasted b4 the game even starts and the crazy stuff happens from the opening kickoff.  In the old days we'd all get drunk at the same pace together... 

That changed i believe in 17 or 18...been a long time beer sales have not quite to after quarter 3. I was on the Bills fan advisory for 3 years, and we really pushed hard for this change, as well as selling cans of beer. Halftime anxiety and beer accidentally spilled out of draft cups caused a poop ton of fights...all down once paradoxically ya made booze easier to get!

 

 

[The Wiz]

33 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

cutting off beer sales at the half has backfired as the 5,000 a holes get even more blasted b4 the game even starts and the crazy stuff happens from the opening kickoff.  In the old days we'd all get drunk at the same pace together... 

Well the $12 beers already contributed to that in the first place but your point is still valid.

[SoTier]

24 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Did this many people die from fights in the old days? Like the 50s, 60s, 70s when fighting among guys was way more common? 
 

It seems like more people die or get severely hurt now. Is it from inexperience? No more fighting code among guys? 

 

They probably did but we just didn't hear about it because most news back then was primarily local.  "National news" was limited to news about politics, international affairs, and the rich and famous.  Back then, this story would have only made the newspapers and radio/tv news in the Boston area.  

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Well the $12 beers already contributed to that in the first place but your point is still valid.

Where you finding $12 beers in that joint? My Hayburners and Southern Tiers were $20!

 

I have nice seats in the most expensive section outside of clubs...my Bills Bucks did even cover two beer LOL!!!!!!

Edited September 19, 2023 by plenzmd1

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Where you finding $12 beers in that joint? My Hayburners and Southern Tiers were $20!

 

I have nice seats in the most expensive section outside of clubs...my Bills Bucks did even cover two beer LOL!!!!!!

Stop buying fancy beer and you'll find a $12 beer. 😆

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, Seventeen said:

 

Taking away the tailgate would help but why should 99% of fans be punished for those can't control themselves. 

Because that’s how it’s always worked for everything. The few ruin it for the many. Also in this case I’d say it’s more 60/4

[teef]

11 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Imagine being the guy in prison for killing someone at a football game. 

something similar happened around here years ago.  it was after a men's league softball game.  the two sides were shaking hands, and one guy punched an opposing player in the side of the head and killed him.  it went from a softball game to manslaughter.  

[Royale with Cheese]

Its why I always pay extra for tickets in the lower bowl.

 

It seems like the worst fights that I've seen and know about were in the upper deck.  

 

This is really sad.  You just want to go to a football and just watch football.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Behindenemylines said:

Maybe 6-7 years ago was at the Pats game at Gillette Christmas Eve with the whole extended family. Only Bills fan in MY group and in that section. Had a blast busting chops with everyone and we were all having fun. 
 

About the third I went down to take a leak.  Some guy way to drunk was getting nasty and started with little pushes etc. ignored him unto he reached around and tried grabbing my junk while I was doing my business.  Kept saying “No ***** no *****”
 

Had no choice but to plant my fist in his face and luckily dropped him. Pi$$ed on the guy next to me and the floor and then realized I’m surrounded by about 100 drunk Pats fans with junk hanging out. 
 

they kinda laughed and stepped over him and I got the hell out of there.   It was the first time I hit somebody in probably twenty years. 
 

Had to explain to the crew why my hand was bloody and swollen. Nephews still talk about it every Christmas and it’s their goto phrase playing pickup basketball etc.  

 

Of all people…..YOU should be more careful Behindenemylines. 

 

😋

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Behindenemylines said:

Maybe 6-7 years ago was at the Pats game at Gillette Christmas Eve with the whole extended family. Only Bills fan in MY group and in that section. Had a blast busting chops with everyone and we were all having fun. 
 

About the third I went down to take a leak.  Some guy way to drunk was getting nasty and started with little pushes etc. ignored him unto he reached around and tried grabbing my junk while I was doing my business.  Kept saying “No ***** no *****”
 

Had no choice but to plant my fist in his face and luckily dropped him. Pi$$ed on the guy next to me and the floor and then realized I’m surrounded by about 100 drunk Pats fans with junk hanging out. 
 

they kinda laughed and stepped over him and I got the hell out of there.   It was the first time I hit somebody in probably twenty years. 
 

Had to explain to the crew why my hand was bloody and swollen. Nephews still talk about it every Christmas and it’s their goto phrase playing pickup basketball etc.  

Should've finished up the leak properly on that dude🤣

[nucci]

I'm old and used to enjoy a few before when I went to the games but it's so out of hand, My wife is a flight attendant and has to deal with this crap on planes. Certain places should not serve alcohol

[Sherlock Holmes]

31 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Well the $12 beers already contributed to that in the first place but your point is still valid.

$16.50 beers 

[Mrbojanglezs]

its just a game people 

[SWATeam]

25 minutes ago, teef said:

something similar happened around here years ago.  it was after a men's league softball game.  the two sides were shaking hands, and one guy punched an opposing player in the side of the head and killed him.  it went from a softball game to manslaughter.  

I Believe it was this:

 

7 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

People don't seem to realize that one single punch to someone's head can be fatal. I saw it during a softball game at Cobbs Hill in Rochester. Two guys got into it, and one punch later, one of them was dead. That's why I've never punched anyone since then, it really freaked me out. That was like 20 years ago. I know a few other non-fatal ways to de-escalate a situation. Thankfully I'm past that point in my life.....I think. Not to mention, I'm surrounded by the greatest Bills fans in my section that I could ever hope for. Never an issue. And I'm 4 rows behind Jim Kelly and family. Yeah, that's right, I'm that f'n special, lol. 

 

[eball]

I think the post title needs to be edited...it appears it was a Dolphins fan who died -- but he lived in NH.

 

[DasNootz]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

I think the post title needs to be edited...it appears it was a Dolphins fan who died -- but he lived in NH.

 

Everything I've seen has said it was a 53 year old Patriots season ticket holder and he was wearing a Patriots' jersey.

Edited September 19, 2023 by DasNootz

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Pretty accurate tbh. 

 

Gave up my seasons a couple years ago for this reason. I get it. It's a reason to cut loose, have fun and such. Back when I was younger it seemed there were more people that would get drunker later on in the game. But first 3 quarters were fairly tame. Almost every game I went to the last few years I have seen people stagger in through the gate. My bet is the more the tailgating experience has grown combined with the absolutely ridiculous beer prices in the stadium more people focus on imbibing before the game.

 

Of course after kickoff no one settles in and watches the game anymore either.half the game is spent with people walking back and forth up and down the aisle to go on beer runs, bathroom breaks and such. The in person experience has moved for watching a football game to a party with a game in the background. Make sure to take those selfies too, gotta get the perfect shot for your Facebook. 

 

I usually drive so i tend to not get hammered, but i'll have a few pops before i go in.  Stop drinking at noon, order a chicken finger bucket, a water, and a cup of coffee.  

 

I will say i have had some rough experiences in the 300s, so i've been spending a bit more to sit a little closer.  My wife (a pats fan) and her two sisters had beer dumped on their heads by the girl in the row behind them.  I texted the hotline and they tossed the girl and she was NOT happy - but cmon now, be better.  The young 20 somethings are the ones causing a lot of the ruckus i feel.  

 

Went to my first away game at arrowhead a year ago - nobody gave me a lick of trouble.  They'd all joke that we were gonna get thrashed and embarrassed, but after that TJ pick they all sort of just shook my hand and left me alone.  

[Kornfed]

Drunken human nature is its own animal. ... pathetic ...

[Big Turk]

7 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Police are investigating what happened. This is something no one should ever have to witness during what should be a good time. Very disturbing, no matter what triggered it. 

 

https://www.nbcboston.com/on-air/as-seen-on/police-investigating-fans-death-during-sundays-patriots-game-at-gillette-stadium/3139210/

 

It's why no matter what happens out in public unless my life is in danger, I walk away.  Not worth dying over, being shot over, severely beaten, etc...

 

People are psychotic these days and have no respect for human life.  Also with everything that has gone on the past 3-4 years you have no idea what a person's mental state is and if you will be the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of pushing them over the line where they snap and just can't take it anymore.

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Big Turk

[BRH]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

and the pot..  it’s over the top. Took the kids to Bills Ravens last year and it smelled like a phish concert.  

 

If more people did that, there would be fewer fights.

[PatsFanNH]

11 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I usually drive so i tend to not get hammered, but i'll have a few pops before i go in.  Stop drinking at noon, order a chicken finger bucket, a water, and a cup of coffee.  

 

I will say i have had some rough experiences in the 300s, so i've been spending a bit more to sit a little closer.  My wife (a pats fan) and her two sisters had beer dumped on their heads by the girl in the row behind them.  I texted the hotline and they tossed the girl and she was NOT happy - but cmon now, be better.  The young 20 somethings are the ones causing a lot of the ruckus i feel.  

 

Went to my first away game at arrowhead a year ago - nobody gave me a lick of trouble.  They'd all joke that we were gonna get thrashed and embarrassed, but after that TJ pick they all sort of just shook my hand and left me alone.  

Fun banter back and forth is part of the experience.. I have a Canadiens fan that I did that with for years when I had Bruins season tickets at my disposal. We joke around about how crappy the others team was then always end up saying “ the loser buys dinner tonight!”  As you can see we ended up as friends. Lol

 

I never will understand getting so angry at something that’s suppose to entertain you and help you forget your own issues for awhile.

[Low Positive]

The headline on this thread is incorrect. It’s the Fins fan that died from a punch from a Pats 30-year STH. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

53 minutes ago, teef said:

something similar happened around here years ago.  it was after a men's league softball game.  the two sides were shaking hands, and one guy punched an opposing player in the side of the head and killed him.  it went from a softball game to manslaughter.  

pure stuipidty.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

The headline on this thread is incorrect. It’s the Fins fan that died from a punch from a Pats 30-year STH. 

 

Dale Mooney is the guy that died and he was a NE season ticket holder.

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

and the pot..  it’s over the top. Took the kids to Bills Ravens last year and it smelled like a phish concert.  

 

At least the pot smokers don't get violent. Four drunks will start a fight; four stoners will start a band.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, WhoTom said:

 

At least the pot smokers don't get violent. Four drunks will start a fight; four stoners will start a band.

 

It all bad.. also a myth. I’ve seen plenty of drunk and stoned people get in fights. 

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dale Mooney is the guy that died and he was a NE season ticket holder.

I don’t want to argue about this, but the article posted above said this

Quote

By the fourth quarter it had just kind of come to blows,” said Joe Kilmartin, who recorded part of the confrontation. “Then you saw a fan deliver two punches to the victim, a Dolphins fan, he was wearing a Dolphins jersey, and the victim just kind of slumped over at that point in his seat.”

 

[eball]

31 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

Everything I've seen has said it was a 53 year old Patriots season ticket holder and he was wearing a Patriots' jersey.

 

Read the Pats Pulpit article in Gary Marangi's post above...of course, it could be wrong...

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It all bad.. also a myth. I’ve seen plenty of drunk and stoned people get in fights. 

Unfortunately true. 

Having grown up with the idea that stoners don't get violent, it was kind of a shock to me in my work to see how often people involved in violent crime were chronic weed users. Often with alcohol, but still. 

That whole pothead kumbaya thing was either a myth to begin with or has sadly been superseded by a new type of user.

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Unfortunately true. 

Having grown up with the idea that stoners don't get violent, it was kind of a shock to me in my work to see how often people involved in violent crime were chronic weed users. Often with alcohol, but still. 

That whole pothead kumbaya thing was either a myth to begin with or has sadly been superseded by a new type of user.

there you go....with alcohol. 

[DasNootz]

12 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Read the Pats Pulpit article in Gary Marangi's post above...of course, it could be wrong...

https://www.wcvb.com/article/foxborough-massachusetts-new-england-fan-death-patriots-gillette-stadium/45194876#
According to his wife he was a 30 year season ticket holder and there's a photo of him just before the altercation.  

[RiotAct]

16 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I don’t want to argue about this, but the article posted above said this

 

I noticed that too, but I took the “a Dolphins fan, he was wearing a Dolphins jersey” to mean that the witness was giving more context to who he meant by “a fan” earlier on in that sentence.

[The Frankish Reich]

6 minutes ago, nucci said:

there you go....with alcohol. 

That may be right, but come on ... I don't think I've ever known a recreational weed user who isn't also a drinker. My impression today is that any heavy user of intoxicants, separately or in combination, is more prone to doing stupid and dangerous things.

[PatsFanNH]

29 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

The headline on this thread is incorrect. It’s the Fins fan that died from a punch from a Pats 30-year STH. 

I have read it was a dolphins fan and also read it was a Pays fan. So I am not sure which it is, mind you Pats fan, dolphins fan… a fan of U2 it doesn’t matter. There was zero need for what happened. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Unfortunately true. 

Having grown up with the idea that stoners don't get violent, it was kind of a shock to me in my work to see how often people involved in violent crime were chronic weed users. Often with alcohol, but still. 

That whole pothead kumbaya thing was either a myth to begin with or has sadly been superseded by a new type of user.

 

I think weed is miscategorized for whatever reason.  I've never been a kumbaya guy when I smoke and almost everyone I know isn't either.  

The only time I will get the giggles is when I drink.

 

Weed will chill you but you are still fully cognizant.  Most Jiu Jitsu/grapplers guys I know smoke and many smoke before training.  

Many NFL players get ripped before games....they aren't kumbaya on the field LOL.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That may be right, but come on ... I don't think I've ever known a recreational weed user who isn't also a drinker. My impression today is that any heavy user of intoxicants, separately or in combination, is more prone to doing stupid and dangerous things.

I agree but if just pot, the chance of violence is near zero...add in others and of course the chance increases