Josh Allen since the KC win last season….22 TD’s and 16 INT’s.

[Beast]

The first 6 games of last year 17 TD’s and 4 INT’s.

 

What gives?

I know some here think we will be fine but….will we? Will we with such poor QB play? 
 

Is Josh just not a very smart QB? I mean, he said he had to take better care of his body and the ball this past off-season. He did neither in his first meaningful game. And showed nothing of the sort that he gave a crap about doing either of those things.
 

Seriously, what in hell is going on with Josh Allen?

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Beast

[Boatdrinks]

It’s a huge problem. Just seems to have lost his ability to play winning football. 

[Billznut]

He’s trying to live up to the hype of being a “top 3 qb” in the NFL instead of focusing on wins. I know that sounds simple, but I honestly think that is what’s going on. The media hype and love went to his head and he tries to do way too much every play. He wants to play like Superman instead of say a Kirk Cousins type player.  Obviously Allen is a better athlete than Cousins but he needs to stop thinking he can overpower everyone with his body and start just trying to beat people with his brain instead. Just get the wins, stop worrying about the stats. Can he do that? I guess we get to find out over the next 7-10 years. So far it’s not looking promising. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Billznut

[Big Blitz]

He tore his UCL and played the Jets 3 times and Ken Dorsey sucks.   

[Nelius]

Screw Favre, that’s Vinny Testaverde

[VaMilBill]

Josh needs to prepare more. That story came out that josh relies mostly on athleticism and doesn’t study much. That’s disappointing. It clearly hasn’t worked for him yet. Needs to change his preparation habits 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

🤔

[Chicken Boo]

Yikes.  

 

That's all I got.  

[schoolhouserock]

Completely agree. This is a huge problem.

 

Josh Allen is OK with winning football games so long as he is the primary reason the game is won. Any DC capable of baiting Allen into hero ball will find a willing victim. Until Allen can properly address this part of his personality, the Bills are in trouble and they certainly aren’t realistic Super Bowl contenders.

 

Josh can and should be great. Dammit man, learn this lesson! Before it’s too late!!!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I wasn’t worried about him until he tried to leap 7 yards for the first through 3 Jets defenders. 

[FireChans]

Josh thinks he's on Mahomes level.  @4merper4mer had this take first, but he thinks he's arrived.

 

Problem is, he hasn't.  Mahomes walked the walked first. He had that playoff game and beat him in the regular season and he thinks he's all that.

 

Eli beat Brady twice in the biggest stage and had that "aw shucks" demeanor still. Josh is walking around like he's a superstar with a solitary AFCCG blowout loss under his belt.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I wasn’t worried about him until he tried to leap 7 yards for the first through 3 Jets defenders. 

 

Oh I forgot about that.

 

*cringe*

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

Josh needs to prepare more. That story came out that josh relies mostly on athleticism and doesn’t study much. That’s disappointing. It clearly hasn’t worked for him yet. Needs to change his preparation habits 

There was no story. That was some idiot on TV saying random things.

[Dr.Sack]

But how many fumbles?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

We have a problem.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

Until Allen learns to play the QB position correctly he is not likely to win a championship, which sucks for us fans, the parts of his game he does not excel at, ( namely short passes) are why he will be good but not great as a QB. It would be nice if he would learn to do that. 

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

There was no story. That was some idiot on TV saying random things.

It seems to be correct analysis though. It does seem like Allen is purely relying on his arm talent and legs. Not his brain. He reminds me so much of a slightly better Cam Newton. Newton did not have football IQ and just relied on his talents until injuries derailed those athletic traits. 

Josh either needs to hit the books hard, or start consult other game managers. 

[ALLinALLEN]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We have a problem.

 

 

 

I called in the show about this play lol

[Nextmanup]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I wasn’t worried about him until he tried to leap 7 yards for the first through 3 Jets defenders. 

That was a really strange play.  There was no way it was going to achieve a first down and there was no reason to do the jump, period.

 

He should have just gone down; fold up, like Diggs loves to do; avoids injury.

 

And after he has publicly said he will protect his body and play smarter, etc...

 

🤷‍♂️

 

[TheBrownBear]

3 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said:

It seems to be correct analysis though. It does seem like Allen is purely relying on his arm talent and legs. Not his brain. He reminds me so much of a slightly better Cam Newton. Newton did not have football IQ and just relied on his talents until injuries derailed those athletic traits. 

Josh either needs to hit the books hard, or start consult other game managers. 

I thought these Cam Newton takes were insane a year ago.  Now they are starting to ring true. 😕

[VaMilBill]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Josh thinks he's on Mahomes level.  @4merper4mer had this take first, but he thinks he's arrived.

 

Problem is, he hasn't.  Mahomes walked the walked first. He had that playoff game and beat him in the regular season and he thinks he's all that.

 

Eli beat Brady twice in the biggest stage and had that "aw shucks" demeanor still. Josh is walking around like he's a superstar with a solitary AFCCG blowout loss under his belt.

Based on last season and tonight, I don’t even know if Allen is in the same category as Herbert and Tua. Certainly not burrow or hurts

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, VaMilBill said:

Based on last season and tonight, I don’t even know if Allen is in the same category as Herbert and Tua. Certainly not burrow or hurts

The thing is, he is as good as any of them, some of the time.  He really struggles playing up to a very high level consistently.

 

That's the problem.

 

 

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I wasn’t worried about him until he tried to leap 7 yards for the first through 3 Jets defenders. 

that play rightfully got the leash put on him. 
 

he unfortunately plays poorly like that.

 

have to find a balance.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

Based on last season and tonight, I don’t even know if Allen is in the same category as Herbert and Tua. Certainly not burrow or hurts

Correction - from the second half of the Packers onwards last season. Before then he was elite.

[Process]

1 minute ago, VaMilBill said:

Based on last season and tonight, I don’t even know if Allen is in the same category as Herbert and Tua. Certainly not burrow or hurts

Burrow in Week 1 last year... 5 turnovers, OT loss

Burrow in Week 1 this year... 80 yards, 0 TD, 3 points, blowout loss 

[gobills404]

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

He tore his UCL and played the Jets 3 times and Ken Dorsey sucks.   

Wrong thread 

 

[Beast]

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

He tore his UCL and played the Jets 3 times and Ken Dorsey sucks.   

But he had a strong enough elbow to make that throw on Thanksgiving to put the Bills in position to win the game.

Josh’s arm strength has not been the issue. The elbow excuse no longer cuts it.

 

This team has a lot of talent and the sky is the limit if they get better QB play.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Beast

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Beast said:

But he had a stro g enough elbow to make that throw on Thanksgiving to put the Bills in position to win the game.

Josh’s arm strength has not been the issue. The elbow excuse no longer cuts it.

 

 

Arm strength wasn’t the issue with that injury.  

[Milanos Milano]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I thought these Cam Newton takes were insane a year ago.  Now they are starting to ring true. 😕

I never ever thought I’d say that, but the last few games are telling me he isn’t using his brain enough. He’s still trying to rely on his legs and arm strength. Absolutely nobody is going to complain if we win a game and his stat line stinks because we dink and dunked. There is nothing wrong with tossing a long ball once in a while, but he needs to focus his efforts on the sticks. Maybe he just isn’t smart enough. 

[Mango]

13 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said:

Completely agree. This is a huge problem.

 

Josh Allen is OK with winning football games so long as he is the primary reason the game is won. Any DC capable of baiting Allen into hero ball will find a willing victim. Until Allen can properly address this part of his personality, the Bills are in trouble and they certainly aren’t realistic Super Bowl contenders.

 

Josh can and should be great. Dammit man, learn this lesson! Before it’s too late!!!

Remember when he got drunk and told the team he was the best athlete on the planet. 

[Big Blitz]

He was 29-41 tonight for 236 yards. 
 

I thought he actually didn’t force anything deep or risky outside of INT 3.  
 

Our YAC yards continue to be embarrassing.  

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Arm strength wasn’t the issue with that injury.  

OK, then whatever the issue is it has carried on for 10 months running.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

Remember when he got drunk and told the team he was the best athlete on the planet. 

If this doesn’t tell you everything you need to know, nothing will. Dude is relying purely on physical talents, and doesn’t have the brain needed to win. 

Just now, Beast said:

OK, then whatever the issue is it has carried on for 10 months running.

Teams are taking away the deep stuff and putting spies on him. They are daring him to be a game manager. He is either unwilling to do that, or just isn’t smart enough to diagnose plays enough to take the open stuff. 

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

He was 29-41 tonight for 236 yards. 
 

I thought he actually didn’t force anything deep or risky outside of INT 3.  
 

Our YAC yards continue to be embarrassing.  

It does seem like every bad decision ended up in tragedy. Kind of bad luck in that way. On the Mosley near-pick, I think Cook stopped his route when he was supposed to keep running.

 

It really was a worst-case scenario for outcomes.

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Beast said:

OK, then whatever the issue is it has carried on for 10 months running.

 

If he does anything remotely like this tonight against any other team then the Jets, I’ll start to be concerned about Josh.   

And that’s when anyone else should to. 
 

In the 2nd half tonight (we can’t forget he was solid in the first half) the Jets came to play.  
 

And our OC got worked.  

 

[Johnnycage46]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

Remember when he got drunk and told the team he was the best athlete on the planet. 

 

Is that real?  Did that happen or did the joke just go over my head?

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

He was 29-41 tonight for 236 yards. 
 

I thought he actually didn’t force anything deep or risky outside of INT 3.  
 

Our YAC yards continue to be embarrassing.  

I’m pretty sure he clanked another one off the numbers of a Jets DB on a pass over the middle.

 

Josh’s football awareness was absolutely pathetic tonight. On one drive he could have ran out of bounds but decided to take on 2 tacklers for no reason. He picked up a meaningless yard doing that. Later, he tried to leap over multiple defenders on a 3rd down where he wasn’t even close to the sticks.

 

His stupid play has become alarming.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

Remember when he got drunk and told the team he was the best athlete on the planet. 

Wait what

[schoolhouserock]

4 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said:

If this doesn’t tell you everything you need to know, nothing will. Dude is relying purely on physical talents, and doesn’t have the brain needed to win. 

Teams are taking away the deep stuff and putting spies on him. They are daring him to be a game manager. He is either unwilling to do that, or just isn’t smart enough to diagnose plays enough to take the open stuff. 

He’s smart enough. That makes it worse.

[Mango]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Is that real?  Did that happen or did the joke just go over my head?

On a podcast a week or two ago with Kyle Allen, Josh and Jordan Palmer, Kyle told a story about a party after this years training camp where Josh had some pops and was telling everybody how he was the best athlete on the planet….after losing two games of pickle ball to Matt Barkleys wife.