Billsfan1972 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) While still not week one and really have little to say until the season starts, thought this may spur some discussion. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/8/17/23834765/rankings-the-nfl-best-past-catcher-receiving-group-2023 Interesting how low the Bills and Chiefs are on this list, which really then shows how highly they think of Mahomes & Allen. Conversely Cincy, Dallas, SF, Chargers, Vikings, Eagles near the top. I have no comments outside I too give most of the credit to Allen for the Bills performance on offense, but let's hear the experts here debate it. Edited August 18, 2023 by Billsfan1972 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: While still not week one and really have little to say until the season starts, thought this may spur some discussion https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/8/17/23834765/rankings-the-nfl-best-past-catcher-receiving-group-2023 Interesting how low the Bills and Chiefs are on this list, which really then shows how highly they think of Mahomes & Allen. I have no comments outside I too give most of the credit to Allen for the Bills performance on offense, but let's hear the experts here debate it. Weird that they don't even list Knox as a pass catching option. As a matter of fact, they basically have Kincaid described as an inline TE. I'm going to say these rankings are inconclusive at best. "18. Buffalo Bills WR: Stefon Diggs WR: Gabe Davis WR: Trent Sherfield WR: Khalil Shakir RB: James Cook TE: Dalton Kincaid Buffalo didn’t have a reliable underneath option last year behind Diggs, leading them to rely on Cole Beasley in their embarrassing divisional-round loss to the Bengals. Enter first-round tight end Kincaid out of Utah. Long term, Kincaid is a potentially fantastic addition. But rookie tight ends must learn to block NFL defensive ends and get open against NFL defenders, so they rarely contribute early. If Josh Allen ever checked it down, we might be looking at Cook as one of the best receiving backs in the league." Edited August 18, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 I think the Bills are ranked about right. Although Knox is a bigger weapon than Shakir as is Harty. So not sure totally on their method... but somewhere around halfway feels right. A top 5 #1 A lower end #2 A borderline top 10 TE and a rookie Big Slot / TE Sherfield who is a versatile, reliable backup. Cook who needs to show more as a pass catcher. Not bad. But nowhere near elite. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not bad. But nowhere near elite. But, better than the Chiefs as many have said. Which should get @ScottLaw waxing poetic about MVS anytime now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDad51 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Their comment on Kincaid seems a little off. I don't think he'll be required to block defensive ends much. He'll be on the field as a receiver in 12 personnel groups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, BillsDad51 said: Their comment on Kincaid seems a little off. I don't think he'll be required to block defensive ends much. He'll be on the field as a receiver in 12 personnel groups. That would be a hell of a block of Kincaid was blocking DEs while split out in the slot...except if he was in tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 I posted 26 times in the DeAndre Hopkins thread but did anyone listen......no 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the Bills are ranked about right. Although Knox is a bigger weapon than Shakir as is Harty. So not sure totally on their method... but somewhere around halfway feels right. A top 5 #1 A lower end #2 A borderline top 10 TE and a rookie Big Slot / TE Sherfield who is a versatile, reliable backup. Cook who needs to show more as a pass catcher. Not bad. But nowhere near elite. I agree that on paper middle of the pack is right about where the Bills should be at the moment. However, I think if utilized properly by the end of the year as a group they may be viewed much higher. The talents that each has is diversified enough to cause some true matchup nightmares. Hopefully the sum of the parts will result in something that is very hard to defend. 11 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I posted 26 times in the DeAndre Hopkins thread but did anyone listen......no Only 26? You know we can't take anything under 35 seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: While still not week one and really have little to say until the season starts, thought this may spur some discussion. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/8/17/23834765/rankings-the-nfl-best-past-catcher-receiving-group-2023 Interesting how low the Bills and Chiefs are on this list, which really then shows how highly they think of Mahomes & Allen. Conversely Cincy, Dallas, SF, Chargers, Vikings, Eagles near the top. I have no comments outside I too give most of the credit to Allen for the Bills performance on offense, but let's hear the experts here debate it. Clearly a well researched article. They’ve got Richie James and Rashee Rice listed as TEs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Weird that they don't even list Knox as a pass catching option. As a matter of fact, they basically have Kincaid described as an inline TE. I'm going to say these rankings are inconclusive at best. "18. Buffalo Bills WR: Stefon Diggs WR: Gabe Davis WR: Trent Sherfield WR: Khalil Shakir RB: James Cook TE: Dalton Kincaid Buffalo didn’t have a reliable underneath option last year behind Diggs, leading them to rely on Cole Beasley in their embarrassing divisional-round loss to the Bengals. Enter first-round tight end Kincaid out of Utah. Long term, Kincaid is a potentially fantastic addition. But rookie tight ends must learn to block NFL defensive ends and get open against NFL defenders, so they rarely contribute early. If Josh Allen ever checked it down, we might be looking at Cook as one of the best receiving backs in the league." If Kincaid doesn't get the ball often because "he has learn to block defensive ends" then the Bills shouldn't have drafted him. They also didn't mention Harty. If he stays healthy, he's a dynamic player Edited August 18, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Explain to me why The Ringer should be considered a credible site for analysis, especially given the oversights and errors cited in the posts above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 I think you could put rankings 10 through 20 in a hat and draw them out in any order you want. I don't think there is much difference there between those teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) I think they just plum forgot about Knox. Having said that until all the other receivers we have (including Davis) prove otherwise I think we are still only average to slightly above. Edited August 18, 2023 by BillsfaninChicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Explain to me why The Ringer should be considered a credible site for analysis, especially given the oversights and errors cited in the posts above. because we're bored i suggest watching one bite pizza reviews from the barstool guy until the season starts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, dorquemada said: because we're bored i suggest watching one bite pizza reviews from the barstool guy until the season starts As I thought. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Just curious; do people know the difference between 'corps" and 'core"? Usually when I see one of these terms used, I think they mean the other or just don't know what the words mean. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goober Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 The Pats and “stink, stank, stunk” was all I needed 👍 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Seems the rest of the world is catching on to what I’ve been saying. It’s Diggs and a bunch of JAGs. 23 minutes ago, BillsfaninChicago said: I think they just plum forgot about Knox. Having said that until all the other receivers we have (including Davis) prove otherwise I think we are still only average to slightly above. Knox is not a great receiver and hasn’t been used as one much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: While still not week one and really have little to say until the season starts, thought this may spur some discussion. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/8/17/23834765/rankings-the-nfl-best-past-catcher-receiving-group-2023 Interesting how low the Bills and Chiefs are on this list, which really then shows how highly they think of Mahomes & Allen. Conversely Cincy, Dallas, SF, Chargers, Vikings, Eagles near the top. I have no comments outside I too give most of the credit to Allen for the Bills performance on offense, but let's hear the experts here debate it. Well, this amused me greatly Quote 31. New England Patriots WR: JuJu Smith-Schuster WR: DeVante Parker WR: Kendrick Bourne WR: Mike Gesicki WR: Tyquan Thornton RB: Rhamondre Stevenson TE: Hunter Henry “Stink, stank, stunk” was how Boston Sports Journal reporter Mike Giardi described the Patriots pass catchers early in training camp. By all accounts, receiver remains a problem that Bill Belichick has been unable to solve. Smith-Schuster has had a few disappointing years. Gesicki is a tight end on paper but in reality a glorified (and ineffective) receiver. Thornton is a speed demon who has yet to contribute in meaningful ways. This group’s only hope is to be rescued by new coordinator Bill O’Brien—if he can remove the stench that Matt Patricia left on this offense. Juju SS is fresh off a 977 yd, 77.2% catch% season with the Superbowl champions. That's not a fluke, he has 3 similar seasons, though he's probably more a "good #2" than a #1. Davante Parker was solid last year in NWE. Gesicki was a solid >50 receptions, 700 yd guy for 3 years in Mia before McDaniel got there. Maybe if they all meet in NE and stink, stank, stunk *whispers* maybe the problem is not the receivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 I'm not even going to read it. I'll just let my rage boil.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 52 minutes ago, Billl said: Clearly a well researched article. They’ve got Richie James and Rashee Rice listed as TEs. Not to mention Gesicki listed as a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) As said until the season starts I really don't get too excited (thus my departure annually after the Bills are eliminated & I no longer posts and obsess on play calling). The point is look at the top of the list and how they make qb's better and then there's Mahomes and Allen having to make due..... Interesting MVP Candidates Burrow, Hurts & Herbert there along with the overpaid and disliked Cousins, of course the overhyped Cowboys and Dak and most protected qb (anyone playing for the 49'ers). Edited August 18, 2023 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 CORPS: a body of people engaged in a particular activity. "the press corps" ..... or WIDE RECEIVERS, IN THIS CASE CORE: "the central or most important part of something" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: I posted 26 times in the DeAndre Hopkins thread but did anyone listen......no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 hour ago, goober said: The Pats and “stink, stank, stunk” was all I needed 👍 That was classic. Boston media turning on Belichik more and more these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: Seems the rest of the world is catching on to what I’ve been saying. It’s Diggs and a bunch of JAGs. Knox is not a great receiver and hasn’t been used as one much either. Over the past two seasons he has over 1100 yards receiving and 15 touchdowns. Not All Pro level numbers but pretty good considering the personal tragedy he was dealing with. Not saying it would make a huge difference but he does factor into a receiver analysis especially with some potential coverage relief in Kincaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I don’t think I ever waxed poetic about MVS. He’s basically Gabe Davis. 18-20 sounds like a fair ranking for the Bills receiver group. And that is acceptable? Asking for a friend......😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Funny...that ranking seems to be of the opinion that the Bills have better passing game weaponry than the Chiefs. All I've heard around here lately is how Patrick Mahomes' receiving corps is sooooo much better than Josh Allen's. Huh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: And that is acceptable? Asking for a friend......😉 You measure a team by the entire roster. What is acceptable or what is not acceptable isn't measure by an opinion piece. It's measured by wins and losses. Every successful team doesn't have a top unit in every unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 The Bills to me are probably somewhere between 10-15 at this point to me. Diggs is a top 5 WR. Gabe is a top 40ish guy. Knox and Kincaid are a top 7 or 8 TE room (and potentially better). Harty, Sherfield and Shakir are middle of the pack depth. Cook is a top 15 receiving back (and potentially even better). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Kincaid doesn't get the ball often because "he has learn to block defensive ends" then the Bills shouldn't have drafted him. They also didn't mention Harty. If he stays healthy, he's a dynamic player Apparently Knox is persona non grata as well 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 The Knox disrespect is unreal. Kincaid is a great prospect, but hasn’t proved anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 3 hours ago, dorquemada said: because we're bored i suggest watching one bite pizza reviews from the barstool guy until the season starts Everybody knows the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 hours ago, DCofNC said: Knox is not a great receiver and hasn’t been used as one much either. Come to think of it, I’ve never heard Josh talk about Knox in the way he describes Kincaid: “fun to throw to/good body language/etc,” but the addition of Kincaid does sound like Knox has upped his game (or maybe he’s the forgotten man?). This is the first camp I’ve heard Knox being mentioned almost daily in a positive write up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 49 minutes ago, Logic said: Funny...that ranking seems to be of the opinion that the Bills have better passing game weaponry than the Chiefs. All I've heard around here lately is how Patrick Mahomes' receiving corps is sooooo much better than Josh Allen's. Huh. Nobody here really says that. What is said, quite frequently, is that KC has had a better offensive mind leading the team in Andy Reid, has put forth a much better Offensive Line around Mahomes and that those things, plus Kelce, allow them to perform at a high level even without Tyreek Hill. What is also said, is that they are not devoid of investment at WR.. They traded for a recent RD1 WR who wasn’t a fit on the team that drafted him after the coaching change. They brought in a WR3 to give them a vet presence. Then drafted, in consecutive years, RD2 WR’s. We have Diggs as our major investment at WR (money and/or draft capital). Then a RD4 WR in Gabe Davis that has been a success, potentially a major success depending on his season this year. Then after him, what we had last year was an embarrassment. This year, we still have the RD5 WR, plus another RD5 WR and some veterans that, while nothing that really moves the needle, should be upgrades in WR depth. With the additions of McGovern, Torrence and Kincaid.. I have high hopes for this Offense. The OL should be much better and the WR/TE’s as a group are much better than middle of the pack if factoring in Knox and the potential of Kincaid. But the criticisms up to this off-season of what Beane and staff has surrounded Josh Allen with, compared to Mahomes & Burrow, are very valid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Everybody knows the rules I love that he spent a few days in the Capital Region and did his thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: That’s because your reading comprehension isn’t any good… You: "What dime a dozen talent had Mahomes turned into contributors? He has had a lot more to work with than Allen." Also you: "Hill and Kelce coupled with Mahomes was the best in the league… better than anything the Bills have ever given Allen and even with the Hill trade they still had JuJu and MVS with Kelce… not great receivers but not nobody’s/scrubs like the Bills trotted out last season behind Diggs and the inconsistent Davis. … the investment also isn’t nearly the same as the Bills lack there of." Don't pretend like you haven't been beating the "KC consistently gives Mahomes better receivers" drum recently. But let's suppose you were only talking about the past there, and not the present. Do you still feel like KC has a better receiving corps than Buffalo this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: CORPS: a body of people engaged in a particular activity. "the press corps" ..... or WIDE RECEIVERS, IN THIS CASE CORE: "the central or most important part of something" In the case of the BiIls, it’s wide receiver corpse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Logic said: You: "What dime a dozen talent had Mahomes turned into contributors? He has had a lot more to work with than Allen." Also you: "Hill and Kelce coupled with Mahomes was the best in the league… better than anything the Bills have ever given Allen and even with the Hill trade they still had JuJu and MVS with Kelce… not great receivers but not nobody’s/scrubs like the Bills trotted out last season behind Diggs and the inconsistent Davis. … the investment also isn’t nearly the same as the Bills lack there of." Don't pretend like you haven't been beating the "KC consistently gives Mahomes better receivers" drum recently. But let's suppose you were only talking about the past there, and not the present. Do you still feel like KC has a better receiving corps than Buffalo this season? are you denying that KC has consistently done a better job surrounding Mahomes w offensive talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Like others said, I don't have a problem with the ranking, but it should list Knox instead of Shakir. I think we are somewhere in that 12-20 range. This will obviously improve if Davis takes a step up and Kincaid turns out to be a real weapon. Maybe just wishful thinking, but I feel like there is some real untapped potential with our group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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