Brand J Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Following the league’s annual head coach accelerator program. So much for spending time at home and taking the year off to assess. https://sports.yahoo.com/former-bills-coach-leslie-frazier-144540446.html 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Following the league’s annual head coach accelerator program. So much for spending time at home and taking the year off to assess. https://sports.yahoo.com/former-bills-coach-leslie-frazier-144540446.html The most polite firing of all time. 16 18 9 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 If another team hires him, the Pats get two comp picks. 1 17 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Looking more and more like the Bills and Frazier tried to find a way of moving on while crafting a narrative that would be the least damaging to his future coaching prospects. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 I called it the day after the season … This was the best case scenario of how it went down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Do the bills get comp picks if he gets a HC job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Quote Evidently Frazier has built a relationships with the Green Bay Packers, Washington Commanders and New York Giants. Frazier is meeting with teams because that is purpose of head coach accelerator program. He was looking for head coach position last year while working for Bills. He is taking sabbatical this season but that does not mean he wants to be off market next year. He is meeting teams to see what he needs to work on - clearly Giants are not looking at Frazier for head coach next year. Some will turn this story to whatever angle they have been pushing even if it is obtuse. 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Frazier is meeting with teams because that is purpose of head coach accelerator program. He was looking for head coach position last year while working for Bills. He is taking sabbatical this season but that does not mean he wants to be off market next year. He is meeting teams to see what he needs to work on - clearly Giants are not looking at Frazier for head coach next year. Some will turn this story to whatever angle they have been pushing even if it is obtuse. What is the head coach accelerator program??? I don’t get it. Frazier has already been a HC in the league and has experience as a Head coach. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, transient said: Looking more and more like the Bills and Frazier tried to find a way of moving on while crafting a narrative that would be the least damaging to his future coaching prospects. Yeah, it seems to me that they decided to move on from him and asked if he planned on coaching this season. He probably told them he planned to take a year off and spend time with his family and they concocted a plan to make it seem as though he wasn't fired out of respect. And then after this season they could say they preferred the setup they had gone with this year and/or that Frazier chose to go somewhere else. Somewhere between now and then, Frazier must have changed his mind and decided "F this, I want to coach this year and I don't care about the optics". Edited June 6, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 His career has mystified me in that if a HC position was the ultimate career goal, why didn't he go the Pete Carroll/Lovie Smith route and go to the college ranks to hone those skills? Pete Carroll was a much better coach at Seattle than he was in NE because of his stint at USC. I feel Leslie Frazier waited too long and that window has closed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 38 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Following the league’s annual head coach accelerator program. So much for spending time at home and taking the year off to assess. https://sports.yahoo.com/former-bills-coach-leslie-frazier-144540446.html That's literally the purpose of the program. Way to report absolutely nothing 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 35 minutes ago, Gugny said: The most polite firing of all time. of course that is public. who knows what was said face to face lol. by him taking a "year off" just makes him look that much better not worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, wppete said: What is the head coach accelerator program??? I don’t get it. Frazier has already been a HC in the league and has experience as a Head coach. Yes he has but they have had minorities who were head coaches, interim and full coaches, before in it. https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/INAUGURAL-NFL-COACH-AND-FRONT-OFFICE-ACCELERATOR-PROGRAM-SLATED-FOR-SPRING-LEAGUE-MEETING-MAY-23-24-IN-ATLANTA.aspx Quote As part of the NFL's ongoing commitment to promote greater coach and C-suite level diversity among clubs, the League announced plans today to host its inaugural Coach and Front Office Accelerator on May 23-24 at the Spring League Meeting in Atlanta. The Accelerator will convene more than 60 diverse head coach and general manager prospects from all clubs and the League with ownership representation from all 32 clubs. The program will provide senior women and minority prospects with leadership development sessions with football operations experts and facilitators, as well as time spent networking directly with club owners. The effort is designed to continue building a diverse hiring pipeline for future head coach and general manager positions throughout the League. It does remind me of a job interview I had. After interviewing first day I was told by interviewer that I was best candidate he interviewed but there is pressure from management to hire a veteran, handicapped, woman or minority and better that if candidate filled more than one category. He then asked me about my foot and glasses and asked if I ever applied for handicapped status and I said no except post surgery for parking permit. He said good luck but you have little chance of getting position. Interview was multiple days so rather than taking another day off work I called company I was interviewing and said I was cancelling rest of interview for job had urgent matter for me. Next there was an opening I was called by an internal recruiter (originally I was referred to by external recruiter) and said that they were interested in finishing interview and I said no. I was aware of policy and the number I saw on desk and not going to interview unless my time was paid for. Last time I interviewed part of the interview was problem solving which I was told was real problem they were having so they had a free consultation already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Big Turk said: That's literally the purpose of the program. Way to report absolutely nothing 😂 Hey, I’m just relaying the news 😅 But what it shows overall is that he’s not stepping away from the game like he initially suggested. He was all in on this accelerator program from the outset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Hey, I’m just relaying the news 😅 But what it shows overall is that he’s not stepping away from the game like he initially suggested. He was all in on this accelerator program from the outset. He is in a sense he isn't going to be coaching, it's more like a learning year for him so he can experience what other teams do, etc. Basically he is either going to be a HC or retire next year from what it sounds like. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, JayBaller10 said: Hey, I’m just relaying the news 😅 But what it shows overall is that he’s not stepping away from the game like he initially suggested. He was all in on this accelerator program from the outset. You are not just relaying the news. You are acting like some reporters do who report something and then state what they think is going on as a fact. He is taking a hiatus which is stepping away from coaching this year. Coaching positions take a lot of hours which is why many players do not go into coaching post career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Leslie Frazier is a good man and a good football coach. I think he’s kidding himself about getting another shot as a HC but I respect him pursuing his dream. I do believe he has coached his last game for the Bills. 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Is there a team with a HC on the hot seat in 2023 with a terrible culture situation that could use a washed-up 65 year old fully-endorsed Tony Dungy protege if said hot seat coach were to find himself in a hookers/cocaine+arrest-or-social-media-video scenario? If so, it might be time for Bills Mafia to raise some funds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He is in a sense he isn't going to be coaching, it's more like a learning year for him so he can experience what other teams do, etc. Basically he is either going to be a HC or retire next year from what it sounds like. Leslie Frazier has been in football longer than I have been alive. He’s halfway to 70 years old. Do you buy the “learning year”? Do you think he really believes that bailing on a coordinator position to do the NFL rounds as an unattached coach is the best path to a head coaching position? Maybe he’ll get hired as a head coach next season because of this accelerator program, but if Vegas had odds on it, it wouldn’t be pretty. 14 minutes ago, Limeaid said: You are not just relaying the news. You are acting like some reporters do who report something and then state what they think is going on as a fact. He is taking a hiatus which is stepping away from coaching this year. Coaching positions take a lot of hours which is why many players do not go into coaching post career. I don’t dispute your second point. Coaches are notorious for sleeping in offices and being around their players/assistants far more than their own family. But as to the bolded, what have I said that was stated as factual but wasn’t? Edited June 6, 2023 by JayBaller10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Leslie Frazier has been in football longer than I have been alive. He’s halfway to 70 years old. Do you buy the “learning year”? Do you think he really believes that bailing on a coordinator position to do the NFL rounds as an unattached coach is the best path to a head coaching position? Maybe he’ll get hired as a head coach next season because of this accelerator program, but if Vegas had odds on it, it wouldn’t be pretty. I don’t dispute your second point. Coaches are notorious for sleeping in offices and being around their players/assistants far more than their own family. But as to the bolded, what have I said that was stated as factual but wasn’t? This. It is your conclusion not what his reasons are. Maybe you made it too general which makes it looks like an interpretation. I am old (2 years less than Leslie) and used to be an editor (UB) & assistant to the editor (Courier Express) so I tend to look at what is fact and what is speculation more than others. Quote But what it shows overall is that he’s not stepping away from the game like he initially suggested. https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/leslie-frazier-coach-packers-team-vists/ Quote As for why he’s visiting various teams during organized team activities (OTAs) and training camp, “It just gives me a chance to see things from a different perspective, get recharged again and reenergized,” Frazier said in the May 30 story. “And then in the fall, I will really begin to take a look at what’s happening around the league, make sure I stay up on any new trends, anything that’s changing.” Quote “Hopefully, an owner will give me a chance to talk to him about an opportunity,” the ’85 Bears legend said. “If that doesn’t happen, I’m good. I’ve had a good career. I’m good. My goal is to be a head coach. I know I don’t have much time left. I’m at an age where it seems like owners are going younger and younger, but I think I have some things I can bring to the table. We’ll see what happens.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 My money is on the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Combination of age and being a DC for a HC that was a DC has done him in. Rightly or wrongly any success he has had will be attributed to McD and any failures will be assigned to him. It would take a very exceptional set of circumstances for him to get another HC job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, wppete said: Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. I can see a DC job coming his way, but HC will be hard given his age and the trend towards offensive coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I called it the day after the season … This was the best case scenario of how it went down Ya I think McD got in Beanes ear and said enough is enough and that he has the confidence he can take this D to another level, with full control. Which is hard considering how good they been but we all know they fell short in many big games Even looking at Fraziers demeanor, he rarely or never shows emotion or intensity and that showed through the years, even though they were a great unit. McD will bring that intensity Edited June 6, 2023 by JerseyBills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, transient said: Looking more and more like the Bills and Frazier tried to find a way of moving on while crafting a narrative that would be the least damaging to his future coaching prospects. Who are they sparring him damage from though? lol his family? Like other GMs are going to think he wasnt fired lol getting fired is hardly a death sentence anyway. Good coordinators get fired non stop. Glad we did him classy I guess, seems like a good dude, loved in locker room, but a move that needed to be done. Ill be cheering for him elsewhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: Who are they sparring him damage from though? lol his family? Like other GMs are going to think he wasnt fired lol getting fired is hardly a death sentence anyway. Good coordinators get fired non stop. Glad we did him classy I guess, seems like a good dude, loved in locker room, but a move that needed to be done. Ill be cheering for him elsewhere His contract ended. He was not fired. The reason given was reason he was not coaching this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Yeah, Leslie didn’t “step away”. He got shoved out. 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: You are not just relaying the news. You are acting like some reporters do who report something and then state what they think is going on as a fact. He is taking a hiatus which is stepping away from coaching this year. Coaching positions take a lot of hours which is why many players do not go into coaching post career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: Ya I think McD got in Beanes ear and said enough is enough and that he has the confidence he can take this D to another level, with full control. I don’t think McD needs Beane’s permission. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: Following the league’s annual head coach accelerator program. So much for spending time at home and taking the year off to assess. https://sports.yahoo.com/former-bills-coach-leslie-frazier-144540446.html Err, I think this proves exactly his point. He wanted to take time to do things that maximise his opportunity to be a Head Coach next year. He has done that by visiting three different teams, looking at how different staffs work and meeting three different ownership groups. He couldn't have done that if employed as the Bills DC. Far from contradicting the reason he gave for leaving, it actually supports it. 10 hours ago, wppete said: Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. If he wants a DC job he will walk into one. I doubt he will ever be a HC again and it sounds like it is that or retirement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 hours ago, Gugny said: The most polite firing of all time. followed only by Heath Farwell, who shouldn't have even been allowed onto the team plane after his screw up in 13 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 9 hours ago, eball said: Leslie Frazier is a good man and a good football coach. I think he’s kidding himself about getting another shot as a HC but I respect him pursuing his dream. I do believe he has coached his last game for the Bills. I agree with this comment and wishing him the very best as he moves forward. For the Bills at this point - it was addition by subtraction and it will be interesting to compare McD's results this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 hours ago, wppete said: Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. Oh, I think he very well could get a DC job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 So he doesn't want a year off? Basically he was politely fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 How many 70 year olds with 24 years of NFL coaching experience at every level were at the "accelerator" program? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 that was easily a very calculated soft landing firing. Seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 hours ago, nucci said: So he doesn't want a year off? Basically he was politely fired Yes he does. So that he can go and look at what other teams are doing. This is exactly why he wanted the year off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just fire the guy and own up to it. Bills haven't fooled anybody with this "taking a year off " crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 My question is who exactly do the Bills/Frazier think they're outsmarting? 31 NFL teams? Or one fanbase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Err, I think this proves exactly his point. He wanted to take time to do things that maximise his opportunity to be a Head Coach next year. He has done that by visiting three different teams, looking at how different staffs work and meeting three different ownership groups. He couldn't have done that if employed as the Bills DC. Far from contradicting the reason he gave for leaving, it actually supports it. If he wants a DC job he will walk into one. I doubt he will ever be a HC again and it sounds like it is that or retirement. I think this is ridiculous. He’s going to get a HC job by talking to other coaching staffs to see how staffs work? His best (and only) chance to be a HC would be to coach this D to a SB imo. Why step out of the league for a year at his age if is goal was How would that get him a HC? Talking to people? 🤷🏻♂️ doesn’t seem like a smart idea to me. I agree that he’ll have another DC position next year (if that’s what he wants). If he wanted a DC job….. he had one. A great one with a loaded D and SB aspirations. McD wanted to make changes to the D and call the plays. Leslie would’ve taken a hit to his reputation (and his chances of becoming a HC) if that was announced. I really can’t believe people think this was all Leslie’s decision. Do you believe this was Leslie’s decision and that McD is only calling plays due to the timing of it all? The writing was on the wall. It was time for change. McD wanted full control of the D. He has it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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