Josh Allen is number 1

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

[GunnerBill]

That's a bad stat, however, be good to know if it means games that were 1 score at the time of the turnover or 1 score games at the end?

[Big Turk]

Now imagine how many points we would score if he cut down on that even by 15 or 20%?

 

We would literally be unstoppable.

[gordong]

cut the bum

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

That's a bad stat, however, be good to know if it means games that were 1 score at the time of the turnover or 1 score games at the end?

Someone posted a record of 13-10 in those games. Not sure how accurate it is. It’s definitely something he needs to clean up.

[Gregg]

Bad OL up to this point. One elite level player on offense with him (Diggs) forces Josh to play "hero ball" too much. When it works it's great but when it doesn't then this is what you get. Some of those turnovers Josh had last year had me saying WTF. The game at MetLife when Josh threw that awful pick on the 1st drive of the game. Then the game against GB when he threw another awful pick inside the 5. Josh is a great QB, but he has to clean up this part of his game.

[Arkady Renko]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Someone posted a record of 13-10 in those games. Not sure how accurate it is. It’s definitely something he needs to clean up.

500 is the norm for one score games. So I don’t think that’s concerning.  

[MJS]

This is a misleading stat at best. Josh Allen plays in more one score games than most because the Bills are always in the games and never being blown out.

[JESSEFEFFER]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

That's a bad stat, however, be good to know if it means games that were 1 score at the time of the turnover or 1 score games at the end?

Over the last 3 years, the Bills have not played many games that ended within one score so it has to be related to game situation.  I would look at this more in terms of 4th quarter/OT turnovers in one score games.  That's more of what they might have been trying to measure.

Edited May 25, 2023 by JESSEFEFFER

[Coastie]

That stat is incomplete at best.  How many games did each have? Not good by any means but if our Mr. Allen played more one score games then it isn't as bad,  if we had fewer then it is more concerning.  Also,  in how many passes? Without amplifying information it is simply incomplete.

[CincyBillsFan]

Judas Priest, this crap gets old.  What has the Bills regular season and playoff record been the last 3 seasons:

 

Regular season = 37 - 12

 

Playoffs = 4 - 3

 

Show me a stat that actually matters not one that can be used as a backdoor jab at Allen.

 

 

 

 

[DCofNC]

A) Josh has made some awful mistakes in big moments.

 

B) He has to be the guy to make it all happen, when the team relies 100% on you to win a game, the 3% of the time you screw up, it’s magnified. 
 

C) Look at the list, it’s QBs making up for deficit of talent around them.  (Hurts 2020, not 2021).

[eball]

Talk about using a completely out-of-context stat to try and make a point.  🙄

 

In order to evaluate this statistic we need so much more information.  Suffice it to say that every QB's job is to limit turnovers, and Josh is no different.

[JESSEFEFFER]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

Talk about using a completely out-of-context stat to try and make a point.  🙄

 

In order to evaluate this statistic we need so much more information.  Suffice it to say that every QB's job is to limit turnovers, and Josh is no different.

 Agree.  First quarter turnovers have a great chance to be in one score context.  But, they are not game deciders and are far from "clutch" situations which the stat seems to imply is what is being measured.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

27 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Judas Priest, this crap gets old.  What has the Bills regular season and playoff record been the last 3 seasons:

 

Regular season = 37 - 12

 

Playoffs = 4 - 3

 

Show me a stat that actually matters not one that can be used as a backdoor jab at Allen.

 

 

 

 

 

BOOST ^^^^^^^^

[BarleyNY]

9 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 Agree.  First quarter turnovers have a great chance to be in one score context.  But, they are not game deciders and are far from "clutch" situations which the stat seems to imply is what is being measured.

 

Not great, but how about they show all of the important stats for QBs during one score games? Show me yards, TDs, QBR, PFF rating, WAR, etc. Something (heck, anything) that gives a sense of the whole picture. I’m not one to sugar coat negatives - and I do think Allen needs to improve in the turnover area - but there’s not much context here. Shrug.

Edited May 25, 2023 by BarleyNY

[Bangarang]

Why do I get the impression that some intern threw this together. Are we supposed to form an opinion with this out of context number? 

[Matt_In_NH]

This is just meant to rile people up....I believe one way JA gets "better" is by keeping his output while reducing turnovers.  Lets see the win/loss records in those games, I think that is important context.

 

He is also probably #1 in overall turnovers the last three years and while that is not good, the overall results are outstanding.  They are not losing because of his turnovers at any kind of a concerning rate.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Matt_In_NH

[Airseven]

No other upper echelon QB panics and presses quite like Allen. His implosion factor is part of the reason why, despite obvious physical ability, he hasn’t achieved anything.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

This is all McDermott's fault and we all know the posters on here that believe it.

 

Allen: Coach, should I give the ball to the defense?  Is that the best way to win?

McDermott: Yes

[Heitz]

3 minutes ago, Airseven said:

No other upper echelon QB panics and presses quite like Allen. His implosion factor is part of the reason why, despite obvious physical ability, he hasn’t achieved anything.

 

Yup first in turnovers, but only second in wins over three years - what's wrong with this guy!?  

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Now imagine how many points we would score if he cut down on that even by 15 or 20%?

 

We would literally be unstoppable.

Absolutely.  That's his only weakness.  Not taking easy yards with check downs, if he incorporates that in his game,  he'll be unstoppable 

 

It kills me seeing Mahomes do this multiple times a game for 100+ yards

[Airseven]

4 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Yup first in turnovers, but only second in wins over three years - what's wrong with this guy!?  

That’s a good point (despite not noting the turnovers were in close games). It seems his ceiling is solidifying. Can he achieve a level of composure and consistency to beat the best when it counts? Not sure. 

[JerseyBills]

9 minutes ago, Airseven said:

No other upper echelon QB panics and presses quite like Allen. His implosion factor is part of the reason why, despite obvious physical ability, he hasn’t achieved anything.

Except broke multiple nfl records. Universally considered a top 3 QB , 2 years 2nd place in mvp voting.  He's going into year 6, he'll stack up some Lombardis.  His work ethic and determination is phenomenal 

[Heitz]

5 minutes ago, Airseven said:

That’s a good point (despite not noting the turnovers were in close games). It seems his ceiling is solidifying. Can he achieve a level of composure and consistency to beat the best when it counts? Not sure. 

 

Yeah, its solidifying with him as a top 1 - 3 QB in the league, will he EVER be good enough to win?  🤔

Edited May 25, 2023 by Heitz

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

That's a bad stat, however, be good to know if it means games that were 1 score at the time of the turnover or 1 score games at the end?

 

From what I remember, many of our one score games could have been blow outs or comfortable wins if not for our self imposed mistakes. Look at Baltimore, Green Bay, every Miami game, and Minnesota from last year.  You don't have a record like ours the last 3 years by choking away close games.

[JJGauna]

Wrong Josh strikes again lol

[Aimee75]

2 hours ago, gordong said:

cut the bum

Yess!!! Back to the QB drawing board/carousel we go!!

[thenorthremembers]

The fumbles are frustrating but I think the stat is overinflated.   Now go back and normalize the statistic by dividing that number by the number of plays the player had the ball in their hand from start to finish.  What I mean is, Josh is throwing and passing a lot more than the other guys on that list.   Just another example of the Bills offense being overly dependent on Allen.  Very good that they did a lot to help the running back game this offseason.

[Cray51]

24 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

From what I remember, many of our one score games could have been blow outs or comfortable wins if not for our self imposed mistakes. Look at Baltimore, Green Bay, every Miami game, and Minnesota from last year.  You don't have a record like ours the last 3 years by choking away close games.

That's a fair point, however you could say teams frankly win or lose on self imposed mistakes.  Football is a game of execution.  So if we are winning most of our games, our execution in aggregate is strong.  Do self imposed mistakes lead to close games?  Of course.  However, as you mention, we don't choke away close games often.  Most of the time, we are coming out on top.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Thread title is misleading. Josh Allen actually wears #17 NOT #1. We have been over this people.

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

That's a fair point, however you could say teams frankly win or lose on self imposed mistakes.  Football is a game of execution.  So if we are winning most of our games, our execution in aggregate is strong.  Do self imposed mistakes lead to close games?  Of course.  However, as you mention, we don't choke away close games often.  Most of the time, we are coming out on top.

Normally, these self imposed mistakes lead to lopsided losses.  Its actually impressive that our WTF performances last year were almost all winnable at the very end.  Its a testament to the potency of our offense that even when everything goes wrong we can still be in position to win. No deficit is too big.

[Cray51]

Josh this year:

 

6-3 in one score games

Roughly 2400 Passing Yards

Roughly 525 Rushing Yards

17 TDs Passing

5 TDs Rushing

6 INTs

4 Fumbles Lost

 

 

Talk about cherry picking...  Josh was great in one score games this year.  Prorated to 12-5/11-6 With over 5500 total yards, 40+ touchdowns, and 18ish turnovers

 

That's better than in his blowouts lol

[Lost]

Someone get Josh Rosen on the horn.   He may be able to save us.

[Cray51]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Normally, these self imposed mistakes lead to lopsided losses.  Its actually impressive that our WTF performances last year were almost all winnable at the very end.  Its a testament to the potency of our offense that even when everything goes wrong we can still be in position to win. No deficit is too big.

Absolutely - our offense has proven that even shooting itself in the foot doesn't always lead to losses.  Limiting mistakes will only show the top end ability of this team more and more.

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Judas Priest, this crap gets old.  What has the Bills regular season and playoff record been the last 3 seasons:

 

Regular season = 37 - 12

 

Playoffs = 4 - 3

 

Show me a stat that actually matters not one that can be used as a backdoor jab at Allen.

 

 

 

 

 To add to this:

 

Chargers: 26 - 24  Playoffs: 0 - 1

Raiders: 24 - 26     Playoffs: 0 - 1

Cowboys: 30 - 20  Playoffs: 0 - 2

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by The Wiz

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Now imagine how many points we would score if he cut down on that even by 15 or 20%?

 

We would literally be unstoppable.

Or maybe the risk taking pats off massively and that is why we are a top 3 offense with only two top tier players in Allen and Diggs

[jethro_tull]

room to improve- and he will.  

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

 To add to this:

 

Chargers: 26 - 24  Playoffs: 0 - 1

Raiders: 24 - 26     Playoffs: 0 - 1

Cowboys: 30 - 20  Playoffs: 0 - 2

 

This is a much more striking and interesting stat then the one to kick off this thread.  It's just another example of Allen being a unicorn when it comes to judging him by using conventional stats.  The guy is still blowing up all of mathematics!

 

And I would argue that the offensive talent (skill players & O line) on these three teams is better then the Bills. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

This is probably a meaningless stat and lacks context. Bills also won 41 games over the last 3 seasons soo….
 

Anyone who watches him knows he doesn’t have the Ryan Fitzpatrick turnover gene. 

Edited May 25, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy