RD 2, Pick 59: G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I think my biggest concern with him is his weight. He dropped 17 lbs to get down to 330 LBS? That concerns me over time. Is he one of “those guys”? 

 

On the flip side, he doesn’t give up sacks and went all year without a penalty. That sounds like a disciplined guy, and that is encouraging. Let us hope this is a pick we are rejoicing over a decade from now. 

Actually, I was referring to the top-heavy wife

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Actually, I was referring to the top-heavy wife

 

Oh, I was afraid to go to the ex. I fear what terrible things I might do wrong if I went down that road. 

[Sierra Foothills]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

I think my biggest concern with him is his weight. He dropped 17 lbs to get down to 330 LBS? That concerns me over time. Is he one of “those guys”? 

 

 

Thankfully he's not "one of those guys."

 

From "The Beast:"

 

... weighed over 420 pounds when he started high school and completely changed his nutrition and life habits to carry a comfortable weight... A massive but lean-muscled blocker

 

Also it's pretty obvious from still photos and video that he's not fat.

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2023/04/28/buffalo-bills-2023-nfl-draft-grade-ocyrus-torrence/

 

 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

15 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I think my biggest concern with him is his weight. He dropped 17 lbs to get down to 330 LBS? That concerns me over time. Is he one of “those guys”? 

 

On the flip side, he doesn’t give up sacks and went all year without a penalty. That sounds like a disciplined guy, and that is encouraging. Let us hope this is a pick we are rejoicing over a decade from now. 

 

At guard, I don't mind so much about him being a player with weight issues. At tackle is where you run into problems with those guys, like Becton and Cody Ford for example.

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

At guard, I don't mind so much about him being a player with weight issues. At tackle is where you run into problems with those guys, like Becton and Cody Ford for example.

You don’t want it at guard either.  Or d-line.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

You don’t want it at guard either.  Or d-line.

 

It's not ideal obviously

[Prospector]

9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

You don’t want it at guard either.  Or d-line.

But it's a good thing that's not what we have here.

[John from Riverside]

18 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Thankfully he's not "one of those guys."

 

From "The Beast:"

 

... weighed over 420 pounds when he started high school and completely changed his nutrition and life habits to carry a comfortable weight... A massive but lean-muscled blocker

 

Also it's pretty obvious from still photos and video that he's not fat.

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2023/04/28/buffalo-bills-2023-nfl-draft-grade-ocyrus-torrence/

 

 

Thank you for pointing that out. He had a weight problem whenever he was a kid and has spent years working on it.
 

Which means that he has work ethic and then you’re about to get him with professional strength and conditioning trainers for an NFL team

 

Except for the fact that you’re not gonna see this guy, downfield, throwing defensive backs, left and right on screens there’s literally nothing not to like about this guy

 

Stud

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

At guard, I don't mind so much about him being a player with weight issues. At tackle is where you run into problems with those guys, like Becton and Cody Ford for example.

We have a RT that can’t keep weight on!

[NickelCity]

On 5/4/2023 at 10:09 PM, Sierra Foothills said:

weighed over 420 pounds when he started high school

 

Holy crap is that true?

[TOboy]

51 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Holy crap is that true?

It is. Got himself into shape to play football.

[Augie]

10 hours ago, TOboy said:

It is. Got himself into shape to play football.

 

Would you happen to have any photos of him sitting at a middle school desk in 8th grade as a 400 pounder? That might require some special engineering. 

 

I still concerns me a bit if he can blow up like that, but I hope he stays disciplined for football, and for life. You don’t want to be one of the people on a scooter in the grocery store (oh, the irony!) while still in his 20’s. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Would you happen to have any photos of him sitting at a middle school desk in 8th grade as a 400 pounder? That might require some special engineering. 

 

I still concerns me a bit if he can blow up like that, but I hope he stays disciplined for football, and for life. You don’t want to be one of the people on a scooter in the grocery store (oh, the irony!) while still in his 20’s. 

 

Torrence tells the story of how the high school football coach constantly asked him to go out for football.

He went on to say he had low self-esteem but finally relented and tried out.  When he saw himself transitioning into the man

he is now he said it was a life changing moment.  He thanks and praises his HS coach.

 

I see a young man with a lot of inner strength.

[RenoNVBillsfan]

Just watched the ‘23 Senior Bowl again, this time focusing exclusively on right OG, Torrence. Gents….the guy completely stone-walled ever DT he faced. It wasn’t even close. Not only did Torrence completely stand-up every DT but he ACTIVELY sought out other DL to shift over to once he had his primary target contained. His QB didn’t even get a sniff from a DL or pass rusher that was on Torrence’s side. In fact, there seemed to be a noticeable drop off when Torrence rotated out. He also had nimble feet in the pocket and even helped pull when the running game called upon. I watched every snap and came away thoroughly impressed with his dominance…vs draft likely talent. He may not start right away but WOW! Matter of time. 

Edited May 7, 2023 by RenoNVBillsfan

[HappyDays]

Sorry if already posted. I like this breakdown of Torrence I found on YouTube:

 

 

I don't think it's crazy to imagine him as the starter in week 1. He already has NFL size and power, just needs a little technique refinement.

[Snappysnackcakes]

Agreed. Based on the overall performance of last year’s OL, it won’t take long for him to seize the moment. I sure hope he’s the answer at RG for the next 15 years. 

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, RenoNVBillsfan said:

Just watched the ‘23 Senior Bowl again, this time focusing exclusively on right OG, Torrence. Gents….the guy completely stone-walled ever DT he faced. It wasn’t even close. Not only did Torrence completely stand-up every DT but he ACTIVELY sought out other DL to shift over to once he had his primary target contained. His QB didn’t even get a sniff from a DL or pass rusher that was on Torrence’s side. In fact, there seemed to be a noticeable drop off when Torrence rotated out. He also had nimble feet in the pocket and even helped pull when the running game called upon. I watched every snap and came away thoroughly impressed with his dominance…vs draft likely talent. He may not start right away but WOW! Matter of time. 

 

Where did you find that game? Did you have it recorded? Is it on YouTube or some other source? I’d enjoy taking a look. 

 

Thanks for the encouraging report. I hope he’s a day one starter and stays there a decade plus. 

[Mr. WEO]

Remember when EJ dominated the Senior Bowl?

 

good times…

[Cheesus]

25 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Where did you find that game? Did you have it recorded? Is it on YouTube or some other source? I’d enjoy taking a look. 

 

Thanks for the encouraging report. I hope he’s a day one starter and stays there a decade plus. 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

26 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Where did you find that game? Did you have it recorded? Is it on YouTube or some other source? I’d enjoy taking a look. 

 

Thanks for the encouraging report. I hope he’s a day one starter and stays there a decade plus. 

I was gonna post it but someone beat me to it

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Sorry if already posted. I like this breakdown of Torrence I found on YouTube:

 

 

I don't think it's crazy to imagine him as the starter in week 1. He already has NFL size and power, just needs a little technique refinement.

 

He should start. Unless he really tanks in camp which I am sure he won't. Because talent wise he is in a different league to Bates.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He should start. Unless he really tanks in camp which I am sure he won't. Because talent wise he is in a different league to Bates.

Torrence is a beast. I can’t see him sitting for long if he doesn’t win the job outright in camp.

[Doc]

Plug him in at starting RG from the beginning.  Make him prove he can't keep the job.

[colin]

if he and mcgovern show out, and brown is healthy, that's potentially 3 of 5 positions improved on the oline, w the other two being our by far best lineman holding it together for another season.

 

it could fail, but i really think the bills FO are addressing our issues (offensive weapons, blocking especially interior, d coaching/mindset).  given our cap and such we basically need the majority of our FA signings and picks to hit this year tho, so it's gonna fall on the coaches.

[RyanC883]

14 hours ago, Cheesus said:

 

 

good advertising.  Every time I see this I want a Reese’s. 

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He should start. Unless he really tanks in camp which I am sure he won't. Because talent wise he is in a different league to Bates.

seems like his issue is first step aggression.  Should be able to fix that. 

[Warcodered]

 

[3rdand12]

52 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

I just get the vibe , this Kid is going to become a beast for Us er uh  Bills !
Watched the Kincaid presser as well
These Kids seem happy and comfortable and very Truly positive with their words and expressions

Go Bills 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Seeing the rookie mini camp pics, he is not a chubby 347. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

On 5/8/2023 at 4:49 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

He should start. Unless he really tanks in camp which I am sure he won't. Because talent wise he is in a different league to Bates.

Glad to see you coming around on him, Gunner!

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Glad to see you coming around on him, Gunner!

 

I didn't mind him as a 2nd round pick. I still think the fit is odd for the Bills offense but as I said in my day 2 debrief at the draft I have no idea what the Bills want their identity to be on the offensive line, it makes no sense to me they flip flop so often. 

 

I would have hated it as a first round pick. You don't take a guard in round 1 unless you think he has perennial all pro like potential. That isn't Torrence for me. He is a two contract above average starter, but he isn't a potential star. 

[newcam2012]

On 5/8/2023 at 1:49 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

He should start. Unless he really tanks in camp which I am sure he won't. Because talent wise he is in a different league to Bates.

Wasn't that the sentiment on the Cody Ford pick too? 

 

Let's wait and see how the youngster performs vs NFL men before he's anointed the starter. 

 

The man dropped to 59 which does present some concern. 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Wasn't that the sentiment on the Cody Ford pick too? 

 

Let's wait and see how the youngster performs vs NFL men before he's anointed the starter. 

 

The man dropped to 59 which does present some concern. 

A poster on the message board giving their opinion.

 

another poster on the message boards not to give their opinions, but to wait.  
 

as if a poster on a message board could anoint him…. Or have any sort of impact on the future 

 

 

[without a drought]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:40 PM, Cheesus said:

 

 

I was hoping to see more of Cuppy, but it was mostly just boring football.

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Wasn't that the sentiment on the Cody Ford pick too? 

 

Let's wait and see how the youngster performs vs NFL men before he's anointed the starter. 

 

The man dropped to 59 which does present some concern. 

 

I mean, my post clearly left room for him struggling to perform against men and not being the starter. I am just confident it won't happen.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean, my post clearly left room for him struggling to perform against men and not being the starter. I am just confident it won't happen.

More than fair opinion. You have a much much much better eye for college talent than I. So I will defer...

[Shaw66]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean, my post clearly left room for him struggling to perform against men and not being the starter. I am just confident it won't happen.

I agree with you. His game is solid, and I will be surprised if he isn't a long term starter in the league.  I disagree about potential star.  I think that second round picks are by definition potential stars.  They have special talent.  Most don't become stars, but they have the potential.  I think Torrrence is in that category.  Probably not a star, but potential?  Yes.  

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree with you. His game is solid, and I will be surprised if he isn't a long term starter in the league.  I disagree about potential star.  I think that second round picks are by definition potential stars.  They have special talent.  Most don't become stars, but they have the potential.  I think Torrrence is in that category.  Probably not a star, but potential?  Yes.  

 

I don't think all second round picks are potential stars. Rounds 2 and 3 are generally where you get a real mix between high floor, low ceiling, and low floor, high ceiling. I think Torrence is in that first camp. I can see him going to a few pro bowls, he might sneak an all pro somewhere along the line but he isn't going to be a perennial all pro type.

[Dr. Who]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think all second round picks are potential stars. Rounds 2 and 3 are generally where you get a real mix between high floor, low ceiling, and low floor, high ceiling. I think Torrence is in that first camp. I can see him going to a few pro bowls, he might sneak an all pro somewhere along the line but he isn't going to be a perennial all pro type.

Yes, probably, but I'll take reliably competent and plays with aggression at G over what we've had there for years it seems. Not only do they appear to never settle on a coherent approach to the line, they so value versatility (I understand why it is important) that the end result has been less than mediocre folks manning most of the spots and barely decent oline play as the ceiling for the units they've put out there. Hopefully this will change starting now. 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't mind him as a 2nd round pick. I still think the fit is odd for the Bills offense but as I said in my day 2 debrief at the draft I have no idea what the Bills want their identity to be on the offensive line, it makes no sense to me they flip flop so often. 

 

I would have hated it as a first round pick. You don't take a guard in round 1 unless you think he has perennial all pro like potential. That isn't Torrence for me. He is a two contract above average starter, but he isn't a potential star. 

I totally get what you are saying, however with offensive line play across the NFL being what it is, a two contract OG is in that Pro Bowl mention range more often than not and even vying for NFL All Pro honors be it even second or third team. I would take that from a 2nd round pick at any position.

 

I do also think he has room to grow. He seems very coachable and I do believe landing in Buffalo may be one of the best places he could have landed for it with the organization having the growth mindset.