4 Detroit Lions suspended for gambling violations

[1ManRaid]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

No. But, what kind of message does it send when players with domestic violent and assault charges receive less punishment

 

I don't really follow this kind of stuff, but is that still really the case?  I could have sworn I've heard about DV players getting outright cut and whatnot.

[That's No Moon]

57 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

There are also huge signs in the stadiums advertising betting, also areas in some stadiums where you can legally bet.  Just seems like a ridiculous rule for the nfl. I mean what if you see a great chance to live bet the game but you're getting in the cold tub for treatment?  Certainly not walking outside in your towel to the street so you can make bet.

We all have workplace rules to deal with. NFL players are amply compensated to deal with theirs. If you are in that situation and and can't not make the bet, knowing the potential consequences you have a problem.

 

The better question to ask is how any of this came to light. What aroused suspicion?

[Radar]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

No. But, what kind of message does it send when players with domestic violent and assault charges receive less punishment

Risk to the game and league vs something that is a question of a persons personal conduct. Agree with you gambling vs domestic abuse in general is not as serious offense. One is against the law for good reason.

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’ve wondered how long this would take. 
Back in My Day, if you gamble, you’re gone. Alex Karras and Golden Boy Paul Hornung shook up the NFL landscape being suspended for a year for gambling. 
Now, with gaming organizations involved deeply in NFL marketing, this will likely jut be the tip of the iceberg..

 

I’m not above quoting my own posts. 🤷‍♂️
 

Newspaper clip from the Karras gambling suspension

 

[BillsfaninSB]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I place bets at work daily 

Half the working male population would be fired if participating in an NCAA basketball tournament bracket pool was banned. 

[aristocrat]

41 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

We all have workplace rules to deal with. NFL players are amply compensated to deal with theirs. If you are in that situation and and can't not make the bet, knowing the potential consequences you have a problem.

 

The better question to ask is how any of this came to light. What aroused suspicion?

All the books have all the names of players in the leagues so any time they bet they’re flagged. That’s how Ridley got caught. But I read the lions had staff members get fired as well so this is all strange. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

All of they Lions say they are innocent of the charges.

 

And they say the odds are 3:1 that they'll be back in the league in 2023. 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

All of they Lions say they are innocent of the charges.

 

And they say the odds are 3:1 that they'll be back in the league in 2023. 

I'll take that

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Honestly why does the NFL care about that so much when they don't care about women abusers? 

The league makes BILLIONS from Gambling.  Hypocrisy 

You answered this yourself. I honestly do 100% think this is stupid bc college, but there is a billion dollar industry at stake for both the NFL and sportsbooks.

 

You know that rule your mom taught you as a kid, that if youre alone with a girl you dont know, in a strange place, you get up and leave to a room with other people in it..... that was because any allegation, no matter how false, diminishes your reputation. once its made, theres a certain % of people youll never EVER win back no matter what.

 

This is how the league handles it, and the players are stupid af to not recognize it and handle it the same way.  you either dont, or be a helluva lot smarter than to do it in your name, at the facility... college or not... because you can be certain theyve all been in multiple meetings stressing EXACTLY what is and isnt ok

[4merper4mer]

Another way for a Bama player to bust.  Oh, wait no.  This bust method has already been used by Bama.

[John from Riverside]

Damn Jameson Williams 

That’s gonna hurt

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

They weren't even betting on nfl games? The only issue was it was done in the facility?  This seems a little ridiculous

especially when they build sportsbooks right inside the stadiums now. The Bills’ new diggs will have one I’d bet 😉

[BananaB]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

Seriously? You want to turn the NFL into something where players are throwing games?

The way I see it the league already does that with their officials

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

No. But, what kind of message does it send when players with domestic violent and assault charges receive less punishment

dude cmon. the nfl doesnt give a isht about anything but profit, at all.

DV, costs them a bad headline

The appearance, unproven or not, of a player even shaving points/yards, would cost both organizations Billions

 

its honestly extremely easy to figure out

[LittleSammy]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

Has the ax fallen or is just getting sharpened?  Is Detroit the only team with a major problem or will we see more issues from now to trainign camp?

The axe has to be just getting sharpened. It's hard to believe out of a population of 1,600+ plus players that only 5 were involved. But, then again, not sure the NFL wants this to get fully exposed for the reasons noted elsewhere in this thread.

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

Seriously? You want to turn the NFL into something where players are throwing games?

I know, seriously that is the job of the officials, not the players. 

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

the whole NFL embracing legalized gambling will be a mess IMO....  its a problem that will come up over and over again with the players

 

I don't wasnt to see gambling parlors inside stadiums either, there will be lots of fan carnage from gambling addicition IMO

 

chasing every single penny you can get via gambling will have have a toll on the league

Nah, next player up gets a death sentence that will yet again reinforce this.... and most will be smart enough to avoid after that. Not worth it

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

For those calling the players idiots or saying they don't understand how they could do this, they must not know many problem gamblers.  I have more than a few gambling addicts in my friend and family circle, and they have ZERO impulse control on how many, how much and/or what type of bets they lay down.  Self destruction (and collateral damage) is their middle name.

Ive been a recovering addict 3+ years.  Getting drugs/booze was fairly easy, but i atleast had to put my shoes on, drive somewhere, have even just a few minutes to think it through... cant imagine having my drug in my pocket 247 at the push of a button and trying to recover. YIKES

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

especially when they build sportsbooks right inside the stadiums now. The Bills’ new diggs will have one I’d bet 😉

What would be the point of a sportsbook, when you can place bets on your phone, right from your seat?

[JoPoy88]

11 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What would be the point of a sportsbook, when you can place bets on your phone, right from your seat?

honestly I’m not sure because I agree with you but they are putting them in stadiums. I have not been inside one yet but I assume it’s a branded fan zone type deal with some staff to walk newbies through getting the app and placing bets, probably a bar in there of course too. 
 

edit: and some of them may have old school windows and kiosks like casino books do for people who don’t want to bet on their phones.

Edited April 21, 2023 by JoPoy88

[TheBrownBear]

15 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Ive been a recovering addict 3+ years.  Getting drugs/booze was fairly easy, but i atleast had to put my shoes on, drive somewhere, have even just a few minutes to think it through... cant imagine having my drug in my pocket 247 at the push of a button and trying to recover. YIKES

Congrats on your recovery, brother! 👍

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Pretty sure Jalen Ramsey is deep in the gambling world. He always seems to fall down in critical moments 

[That's No Moon]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

All the books have all the names of players in the leagues so any time they bet they’re flagged. That’s how Ridley got caught. But I read the lions had staff members get fired as well so this is all strange. 

That's what I was getting at. Proxies.

Just now, That's No Moon said:

That's what I was getting at. Proxies.

And if they get flagged immediately why did it take until now to discipline them?

[Bubba Gump]

How many more players have they not actually recognized yet that are gambling on games??? I bet close to 50% are doing so. Gambling is a fun thing to do. Especially if you have a disposable income. Vegas didn't build itself. NFL needs to focus more on wife beaters, kid beaters more than the gamblers. 

[Yantha]

Imagine if they drafted Quentin Johnston, and Zay flowers

3 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Imagine if they drafted Quentin Johnston, and Zay flowers

Would you trade a third for Jameson Williams?  Or even a second?

Edited April 21, 2023 by Yantha

[BobbyC81]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Honestly why does the NFL care about that so much when they don't care about women abusers? 

The league makes BILLIONS from Gambling.  Hypocrisy 

And how about the DraftKings and FanDuel ads at the stadiums and during the broadcast of games?  

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I'd be more concerned about the 'Part Time' Officiating crews, instead of players who make millions of dollars. This past Superbowl, had a very questionable call, in the last few minutes of the game. I'm not saying money was involved, but since Gambling is now part of the NFL fabric, it throws everything into question.

Or, and hear me out, years ago without technology and obvious partnerships it was super easy to gamble and influence stuff and currently might be one of the most challenging times in nfl history to get away with it. 

[NoSaint]

Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

I'm not so sure. That ridiculous call near the very end of the Superbowl, is 'exhibit A'.

That call, ruined a great game. (I had no interest in who won/lost) I don't know if money was involved. It sure looked like it, to me.

It was a 'judgement call'. Right????????????????????

Gambling will bring the ruin, to the NFL, in my opinion.

why didn’t it 30+ years ago? 

[BobbyC81]

11 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

Because that billions you mention is put in real jeopardy when the gambling companies and the shield can't guarantee that all games are played on the up-and-up.

Based on some referee calls/reviews, they seem to already have that problem.

[Richard Noggin]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I agree....but the punishments for this are more severe than real crimes committed by players 

 

Because the judicial system is already tasked with punishing REAL LIFE crimes, and so many of those crimes have no tangible impact on the integrity of the NFL product. Gambling is SO different in that it is an explicit part of the collectively bargained contracts under which NFL players are employed, and offenses could actually erode the integrity of the actual product. 

 

It's not about morality. It's about labor law/workers' rights. 

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

How many more players have they not actually recognized yet that are gambling on games??? I bet close to 50% are doing so. Gambling is a fun thing to do. Especially if you have a disposable income. Vegas didn't build itself. NFL needs to focus more on wife beaters, kid beaters more than the gamblers. 

 

Do you agree that ALL employers should do the same? Because there are certain professions many people in this country cherish and celebrate that have MUCH higher rates of domestic violence than the norm. It just seems odd to focus on this employer that isn't statistically significant when compared to actually important lines of work.

[Chandler#81]

5 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The stakes are WAY higher, now. But on the other hand, maybe it did. Go watch a tape of the Steelers/Seattle Superbowl. Something was rotten, about that game. (Again. No interest, in terms of who won/lost)

The point is, that Gambling, will potentially poison closely contested games, in the public mindset.

That is the difference, between now, and past era's of the game.

THAT was a terribly officiated game -at best.

[Don Otreply]

It’s to late, the genie is out of the bottle…, 

[NeverOutNick]

12 hours ago, Yantha said:

 

Would you trade a third for Jameson Williams?  Or even a second?

100% yes

[Yantha]

1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said:

100% yes

Do they need a DT?  Lol

[Tiberius]

Tip of the iceberg. This will totally get out of control. Players will--probably are--throwing games for a big pile of cash. 

 

With so many players being financially stupid and reckless, this will keep happening, no doubt. 

[Chicken Boo]

12 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I'd be more concerned about the 'Part Time' Officiating crews, instead of players who make millions of dollars. This past Superbowl, had a very questionable call, in the last few minutes of the game. I'm not saying money was involved, but since Gambling is now part of the NFL fabric, it throws everything into question.

 

I didn't even think the Super Bowl call was egregious, but anyone who thinks Tim Donaghy is or has been the only one are fools.  

[stuvian]

if they had only gone to Windsor

[BillsShredder83]

21 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

honestly I’m not sure because I agree with you but they are putting them in stadiums. I have not been inside one yet but I assume it’s a branded fan zone type deal with some staff to walk newbies through getting the app and placing bets, probably a bar in there of course too. 
 

edit: and some of them may have old school windows and kiosks like casino books do for people who don’t want to bet on their phones.

Yeah def for the old school bettors, aka the ones with money, who don't dig the whole phone thing or old school that carry around a few grand cash all the time lol

[Mr. WEO]

On 4/21/2023 at 2:07 PM, TheBrownBear said:

For those calling the players idiots or saying they don't understand how they could do this, they must not know many problem gamblers.  I have more than a few gambling addicts in my friend and family circle, and they have ZERO impulse control on how many, how much and/or what type of bets they lay down.  Self destruction (and collateral damage) is their middle name.

 

 

A problem gambler is someone who bets on the XFL

 

 

On 4/21/2023 at 11:51 AM, Augie said:

 

They don’t even have to throw games. The mere possibility is enough to shake people’s confidence in what they are seeing. “Look at that! He dropped that on purpose!” That can’t be allowed, IMO. You can’t have that thought lurking just beneath the surface in our minds. 

 

BTW - what’s Tim Donaghy up to these days? 

 

Like PEDs, only the dumbest abusers get caught.  It's too easy to believe a ton of NFL Players are laying bets on the NFL on accounts not in their own names. It would be impossible not to assume this.

 

On 4/21/2023 at 1:02 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Easy with the drafting a rapist punter...he was cleared for one, and two the Bills didn't draft him knowing he had those allegations, so they just drafted a punter...they did not draft a punter accused of rape.  That didn't come out until after the draft.

 

He wasn't cleared by anyone.  He just wasn't charged.  Big difference. Also, several teams knew about the allegations before draft day.

 

(AP): "Executives from two different teams told The Associated Press they became aware of Araiza’s involvement in an incident during the draft process, but neither person knew the extent of the allegations", meaning all the sordid details.