Damar Hamlin EXPECTED BACK!

[Big Turk]

Damar getting a nice added bonus to his check for players on their rookie deals and being paid performance bonuses. Extra $652K!

 

 

[msw2112]

18 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

I thought Hamlin was pretty good last year.  Not great, but showed some promise.  Definitely happy to have him back as depth.

 

It's not realistic to have starter-caliber players as backups at every position.  Hamlin is a solid backup player who knows the system and is on a cheap 6th-round rookie contract.  He also seems to be a good character guy.  I'd welcome him back if he is fully cleared by the doctors.

[MJS]

18 hours ago, ngbills said:

Nice story. At best he is a back up S. 

 

18 hours ago, Airseven said:

Perhaps best that everyone moves on from this in separate directions.

You two need to get a room.

[LABILLBACKER]

42 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Now tell me about Poyer and Hyde's first few years in the league. Heck, do Poyer's first FOUR years in the league when he couldnt crack the starting lineup of the Cleveland Browns, even when they went 4-28 over his last 2 years.

 

Hamlin should be the backup this year, to learn behind Poyer and Hyde. But for a 2nd year guy last year, I thought he played as well as could be expected and where he should be in his development.

 

Johnson on the other hand, needs to be straight up cut. That was his 4th season and it was BRUTAL.

I can easily tolerate the Bills keeping Hamlin in his backup role. Albeit not great but I can see him improve.  And as for Johnson I would've cut him ages ago. He is flat out awful in every aspect of safety play.

[BigAl2526]

19 hours ago, ngbills said:

Nice story. At best he is a back up S. 

Yeah.  He's done nothing to demonstrate starter potential.  He's a better backup than Jaquan Johnson though.  If the Bills pick up another safety and Hamlin is able to come back next season, Johnson is the guy I'd cut.

[Logic]

2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

My stance is that I would have understood if he never played again after what he went through.

 

I still think we draft a guy in the later rounds

"I understand if he never plays again" and "I hope he doesn't play again" are worlds apart, and there seem to be way too many in the latter camp for some reason.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

On 3/16/2023 at 9:04 PM, Airseven said:

I think he’s more of a distraction than a health risk. That story got so far off the rails…

But that isn’t Damar Hamlin’s fault. There isn’t a single person on this board that wouldn’t take the opportunities offered to him because of what happened. It will help him potentially when his professional football career is over. I don’t get the Buffalo Bills fans wanting to punish him with distraction. Sean “Mr 13 seconds” McDermott is a distraction for not taking responsibility for losing the Kansas City Chiefs playoff game throwing anyone under the bus for self job preservation. If a Buffalo Bills fans want to talk about real distractions. Damar Hamlin had a freak play that was one in a million chance it will happen a second time. If Damar Hamlin passes the physical sure why not. If it’s his play in training camp fine cut him but distraction isn’t valid excuse because he isn’t a distraction. Terry Pegula is another distraction wanting $850 million dollars along with PSL’s if we want to talk about Buffalo Bills distraction with his sick cheapness to insisted on playing outside in the snowy Buffalo winter along with expensive PSL’s to pay for a seat license we already paid for when we bought a Bills football ticket read the back of a ticket it says this is a license so we pay twice Terry Pegula is the biggest distraction of all the Buffalo Bills the bum in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Nextmanup]

On 3/16/2023 at 7:25 PM, BeastMaster said:

Not a good player, and is a major health risk

 

I'd wish him well and let him know that we will be releasing him

Yep!  Well, not the health risk part, but he's not very good.

 

I wonder when enough time will have passed for this to be an acceptable comment here at TBD!

 

LMAO

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Johnson on the other hand, needs to be straight up cut. That was his 4th season and it was BRUTAL.

 

No need to cut him. He's a Free Agent and I don't see them jumping through hoops to re-sign him. And for good reason. They preferred putting converted CB Cam Lewis in his place.

 

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Yep!  Well, not the health risk part, but he's not very good.

 

I wonder when enough time will have passed for this to be an acceptable comment here at TBD!

 

LMAO

 

Is he Poyer or Hyde? No. But to say he's not very good isn't fair. For a 2nd year Safety who barely saw the field and was getting his first real action, he was doing a good enough job to be 2nd on the team in tackles and the team was 10-3 with him playing 100% of the snaps.

 

You can do a LOT worse than him at Backup Safety, as we saw with guys like Jaquan Johnson, Cam Lewis, and Dean Marlowe. And he has room to grow into a better player than he already is.

Edited March 18, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[ArtVandalay]

On 3/16/2023 at 11:03 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

Commotio Cordis. Classic case.

That's pure speculation, his cause had never been started and when asked point blank in the Strahan interview he declined to answer.

 

And it's not classic, it's exceptionally rare. 

 

I thought mods were removing speculation/misinformation on this incident?

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

That's pure speculation, his cause had never been started and when asked point blank in the Strahan interview he declined to answer.

 

And it's not classic, it's exceptionally rare. 

 

I thought mods were removing speculation/misinformation on this incident?

 

Oh, I see. Report the posts then, and take your temper tantrum to PPP.

[T master]

That's awesome & i heard on 1 Bills live that his play last year warranted him $650k bonus last season so he will be a welcome sight in more than 1 way to the Bills to know they have him back & is a player that can pull his weight in the locker room & on the field . 🙌

 

 

[Beck Water]

On 3/17/2023 at 12:41 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Now tell me about Poyer and Hyde's first few years in the league. Heck, do Poyer's first FOUR years in the league when he couldnt crack the starting lineup of the Cleveland Browns, even when they went 4-28 over his last 2 years.

 

Hamlin should be the backup this year, to learn behind Poyer and Hyde. But for a 2nd year guy last year, I thought he played as well as could be expected and where he should be in his development.

 

Johnson on the other hand, needs to be straight up cut. That was his 4th season and it was BRUTAL.

 

No need to cut Jaquan Johnson.   As you noted, it was his 4th season.  He was a FA, and we moved on.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Agreed but I wonder what changed in the last 2 years where there is concern a healthy kid is going to have a heart attack. And it's not covid.. The "safe and effective " treatment of covid.. 

I believe it's recognition of the same issue that likely caused Hamlin's heart issue is most prevalent in youth sports. Dozens of kids a year die when struck in that particular way with a baseball, softball, knee, whatever in just the right spot. Kids are obviously smaller and less developed physically and therefore at higher risk. Having the equipment and training available within minutes may save lives, in addition to the random teacher or janitor having a coronary attack. 

Look, I don't know if it's a good idea relative to cost or not (there are lots of things to spend money on to save lives or prevent accidents) but I think Hamlin's situation raised awareness of this issue, and therefore dialogue on it is natural. 

[ColoradoBills]

I got no problem with Hamlin competing for a depth position at Safety.

[chongli]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

or just saying no to the insertion of a politically charged topic being interjected to this discussion, which is what i took it for?

 

i took it as being a protest to bring this topic to a political discussion involving POTUS. i am against that.

 

No, it was just a post I saw on PFT about a Hamlin recognition, and I researched it more to get the original sources (which happened to be a POTUS tweet). I didn't want to start a new thread just for this; so I posted it here. No politics at all---how is this political?? This is nuts.

 

I had no idea that a simple Biden tweet (whom I don't follow, btw) about a non-controversial issue (AED's and CPR) and a Hamlin recognition would bring out divisiveness on a sports forum. People everywhere (not referring to you) need to stop being so political and divisive about everything. This is a sports forum. My only concern is the Bills winning the SB and Bills players representing along the journey. 

Edited March 31, 2023 by chongli

[Simon Says]

No rush...Bills got Poyer back and added Rapp and Anderson. Safety is the least of their concerns now.

[boyst]

10 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

No, it was just a post I saw on PFT about a Hamlin recognition, and I researched it more to get the original sources (which happened to be a POTUS tweet). I didn't want to start a new thread just for this; so I posted it here. No politics at all---how is this political?? This is nuts.

 

I had no idea that a simple Biden tweet (whom I don't follow, btw) about a non-controversial issue (AED's and CPR) and a Hamlin recognition would bting out divisiveness on a sports forum. People everywhere (not referring to you) need to stop being so political and divisive about everythung. This is a sports forum. My only concern is the Bills winning the SB and Bills players representing along the journey 

Sadly, amongst many it will. i would get drawn into it too, so i'm not innocent either lol

 

but yeah, its gotten old that people like to beat their chest.

[nosejob]

The thing I don't get is, if ... in the mindset of an owner of a company that employs people in a physical labor area.....What about liability? How do you insure a person like this?....and what are the chances of mental and physical recovery that warrant the position and salary?

 

I had to change careers 3 times due to injuries/surgeries.

[chongli]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

Sadly, amongst many it will. i would get drawn into it too, so i'm not innocent either lol

 

but yeah, its gotten old that people like to beat their chest.

 

Hey, as long as you're a Bills fan, you're good in my book! 😃

[papazoid]

On 3/16/2023 at 6:53 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

 

"intention"...lots of wiggle room there. first of all its in his best interest to recover while an nfl player under their medical plan. he may or may not already know the risks and likelihood of playing again, but no reason to make any announcements now. 

 

who knows, he may or may not get doctors approval after his recovery is complete to play again.

 

who knows, even if he gets doctors approval for full nfl contact, he may or may not want to except the risk of playing and have this happen again

 

at this point, its all about completing rehab and further evaluations ...i have yet to hear him say they have ruled out any and all pre-existing conditions and his heart is 100% strong and normal. that the chances of this happening again to him,  is no greater than the rest of the players in the league

 

just my opinion, i have the impression, he will never play football again. his calling in life will be his foundation to help kids. but, anything is possible

 

having said that, if he gets medically cleared and he wants to give it a go...god bless him

[chongli]

1 hour ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

I believe it's recognition of the same issue that likely caused Hamlin's heart issue is most prevalent in youth sports. Dozens of kids a year die when struck in that particular way with a baseball, softball, knee, whatever in just the right spot. Kids are obviously smaller and less developed physically and therefore at higher risk.

 

They make this device for youth (and adults too) to wear around their chest to protect from hits. I saw it at Sports Authority (before they went out of business):

 

[wppete]

We have some great depth at Safety with signing Poyer and Rapp. can’t see a position for Hamlin next year. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

Hey, as long as you're a Bills fan, you're good in my book! 😃

as many differences as we all have - it's nice to share something in common. evidently it's not good enough we all agree on the best team in the world!

 

people get way too serious about too many things to be able to take things lightly and it sucks.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

2 hours ago, chongli said:

 

They make this device for youth (and adults too) to wear around their chest to protect from hits. I saw it at Sports Authority (before they went out of business):

 

I wore something like that when I was a catcher in baseball, but it was lower on my torso. 

[KDIGGZ]

Hamlin is a mascot at this point. There's zero chance he plays this year and very slim that he ever plays. Do you think he wants to make $700k as a 3rd string safety? His future is like Kapernick, he can make more money doing appearances like today

[Airseven]

What actually happened with Hamlin’s donation money? Did any media follow that $9 million? Thanks in advance.

[Beck Water]

17 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Hamlin is a mascot at this point. There's zero chance he plays this year and very slim that he ever plays. Do you think he wants to make $700k as a 3rd string safety? His future is like Kapernick, he can make more money doing appearances like today

 

OK, let's break this down.

 

Hamlin wasn't the 3rd string safety, he was the leading backup before he went down.

He made $1.45M last season (with playing time bonuses)

He is scheduled to make $940k this season and $1.055M next season. 

Granted these amounts aren't hugely higher, but they are higher than $700k - between 34% and 200% higher, which is real $ to most of us

 

I don't know if Damar's appearances pay, or what appearances pay, but those $$ seem high for appearance money for medical groups like AHA, and his appearances aren't likely to last as next season rolls on.

 

We don't know (and probably Hamlin doesn't know) if he can play again.  Still completing medical evaluations and follow ups, probably still working with a pulmonologist to try to improve lung function and capacity, then he needs to get back into his best football shape and see if he still has it, athletically.  Then there's the mental aspect - can he cheerfully deal out and receive hits after what he went through?  Does he want to?

 

We don't know how the Bills view him relative to Rapp, but like any elite athlete (and make no mistake - backups and PS guys in the NFL are very elite athletes), if he does play, doubt Hamlin is conceding he's 3rd string to Rapp.

 

I think if there were genuinely zero chance, he'd know it and McDermott would know it and they'd just announce it.  JMO.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

OK, let's break this down.

 

Hamlin wasn't the 3rd string safety, he was the leading backup before he went down.

He made $1.45M last season (with playing time bonuses)

He is scheduled to make $940k this season and $1.055M next season. 

Granted these amounts aren't hugely higher, but they are higher than $700k - between 34% and 200% higher, which is real $ to most of us

 

I don't know if Damar's appearances pay, or what appearances pay, but those $$ seem high for appearance money for medical groups like AHA, and his appearances aren't likely to last as next season rolls on.

 

We don't know (and probably Hamlin doesn't know) if he can play again.  Still completing medical evaluations and follow ups, probably still working with a pulmonologist to try to improve lung function and capacity, then he needs to get back into his best football shape and see if he still has it, athletically.  Then there's the mental aspect - can he cheerfully deal out and receive hits after what he went through?  Does he want to?

 

We don't know how the Bills view him relative to Rapp, but like any elite athlete (and make no mistake - backups and PS guys in the NFL are very elite athletes), if he does play, doubt Hamlin is conceding he's 3rd string to Rapp.

 

I think if there were genuinely zero chance, he'd know it and McDermott would know it and they'd just announce it.  JMO.

 

 

Reasoned analysis.   A sip of water in the desert of hot takes.

[mrags]

On 3/31/2023 at 1:23 PM, chongli said:

 

Hey, as long as you're a Bills fan, you're good in my book! 😃

That’s why we’re all here. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

On 3/31/2023 at 1:40 PM, chongli said:

 

They make this device for youth (and adults too) to wear around their chest to protect from hits. I saw it at Sports Authority (before they went out of business):

 

I've seen kids wear this in youth baseball and softball games.

 

Usually pitchers and infielders were this incase they are struck in the chest by a hard line drive.

 

Hamlin may need this

[JoPoy88]

On 4/1/2023 at 2:04 AM, Airseven said:

What actually happened with Hamlin’s donation money? Did any media follow that $9 million? Thanks in advance.

while the entity has been a registered not-for-profit in PA for a few years, it has only recently (Jan 2023) formally organized the fund and secured a charitable sponsor to help organize everything, including registering with the IRS. So I doubt much of the money has been distributed to anyone yet. But go ahead and insinuate all you want.

 

https://www.charitywatch.org/charity-donating-articles/damar-hamlins-chasing-ms-foundation-what-to-know

[Warriorspikes51]

On 4/1/2023 at 2:04 AM, Airseven said:

What actually happened with Hamlin’s donation money? Did any media follow that $9 million? Thanks in advance.

 

I would be interested to hear about that as well 

[bubba_2ba]

On 3/31/2023 at 1:00 PM, chongli said:

 

No, it was just a post I saw on PFT about a Hamlin recognition, and I researched it more to get the original sources (which happened to be a POTUS tweet). I didn't want to start a new thread just for this; so I posted it here. No politics at all---how is this political?? This is nuts.

 

I had no idea that a simple Biden tweet (whom I don't follow, btw) about a non-controversial issue (AED's and CPR) and a Hamlin recognition would bring out divisiveness on a sports forum. People everywhere (not referring to you) need to stop being so political and divisive about everything. This is a sports forum. My only concern is the Bills winning the SB and Bills players representing along the journey. 

100% agree.

 

[bubba_2ba]

On 4/1/2023 at 2:04 AM, Airseven said:

What actually happened with Hamlin’s donation money? Did any media follow that $9 million? Thanks in advance.

 

You could google search this for yourself... but if you want stories about an NFL players using their charities for personal gain...

 

https://www.mediaite.com/sports/tom-brady-allegedly-used-his-charitys-funds-to-pay-for-his-for-profit-company/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brett-favre-scandal-explained-ex-nfl-qb-is-accused-of-misusing-of-mississippi-state-welfare-funds/

 

[boyst]

Just now, bubba_2ba said:

 

You could google search this for yourself... but if you want stories about an NFL players using their charities for personal gain...

 

https://www.mediaite.com/sports/tom-brady-allegedly-used-his-charitys-funds-to-pay-for-his-for-profit-company/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brett-favre-scandal-explained-ex-nfl-qb-is-accused-of-misusing-of-mississippi-state-welfare-funds/

 

That's the backbone of Non Profs my friend. They are great avenues for income to make people stacks of money. Jessica Lunsfords dad is a millionaire a few times over to head her Non profit, for example. 

[4merper4mer]

On 3/31/2023 at 8:52 PM, KDIGGZ said:

Hamlin is a mascot at this point. There's zero chance he plays this year and very slim that he ever plays. Do you think he wants to make $700k as a 3rd string safety? His future is like Kapernick, he can make more money doing appearances like today

Your first sentence is one of the most disgusting, cynical things I’ve ever seen written.

[Pirate Angel]

what will the media ramifications be if Damar was released? with Hyde, Poyer, and Rapp, Benford possibly, I can see been drafting a safety or picking one up off the waiver wire. Hamlin has a great story but ultimately isnt that great of a player at an aging position.  

[JoPoy88]

54 minutes ago, bubba_2ba said:

so... have you google'd Damar's non-profit? 

 

Jessica Lunsford... <sigh>... did Q tell you about this?  Please link a citation for Mark Lunsford's net worth... and how he's trafficking adrenochrome to Hillary and Obama.

I mean, he is right about a lot of charities being shady. That’s why orgs like CharityWatch exist. 
 

There’s been nothing untoward about Hamlin’s charity yet. I doubt they’ve even used any of the money at this point. Up until his injury it was a simple gofundme with a goal of $2,500 to be used to buy some kids presents at Christmas. Now they have $9mil to manage and from reports (from CharityWatch, see my link above) he and his people are going through the proper steps to manage those kinds of donations. 

 

 

[bubba_2ba]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

I mean, he is right about a lot of charities being shady. That’s why orgs like CharityWatch exist. 
 

There’s been nothing untoward about Hamlin’s charity yet. I doubt they’ve even used any of the money at this point. Up until his injury it was a simple gofundme with a goal of $2,500 to be used to buy some kids presents at Christmas. Now they have $9mil to manage and from reports (from CharityWatch, see my link above) he and his people are going through the proper steps to manage those kinds of donations. 

 

 

Sure, there are shady charities.. and CharityWatch is an estimable organization that I endorse...

 

...however...

 

...the example given was "Jessica Lunsfords dad".  Seeing that juxtaposed with Damar's  charity doesn't make you a bit uncomfortable?

Edited April 4, 2023 by bubba_2ba