Yantha Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I actually don’t think there is any team in the entire NFL that would trade anything (like not even a conditional 7th round pick) for him. Amazing how this guy has fallen. I fault the Rams. They misused him to a very frustrating degree. I think the Rams offensive playcalling was incredibly pedestrian and it's THE reason the team fell apart. I'm surprised there were no coach firings after that one. Robinson deserves a shot and yes, I'd happily give up a 6th rounder for his services. He's GOT to be hungry and mad at his situation this year. Cam Akers's situation was revealing as well. Man was "ticked".... with coaching. I'll stop now, before I get too accusatory about the Head coach, but maybe you know where I'm going with this... Yes to Robinson if the $ and draft pick are reasonable. 13 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Hardman has not lived up to his draft billing. He's started in less than half the games he played in KC and has 2088 yards in his 4 seasons. People who hate on Davis lack of production, should really hate on Hardman as he's a former 2nd Rounder If I'm signing an UFA I looking for a lower tier slot guy in the Ritchie James/Olamide Zaccheaus type that won't break the bank but bring more to the table than McKenzie and then draft someone to compete on the first few days of the draft. As to me the only WRs that bring back are Diggs, Davis and Shakir. Hardman's issue has been durability, and I'd share the concern there for sure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I always thought he screwed himself by chasing the money and going to Chicago. Same with Golladay in NY. The Rams offensive philosophy, as has been stated, was terrible in trying to get Robinson involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 10 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: theyre clearly heading towards a full rebuild whether they like it or not, seems like theyre finally admitting it. rumors of moving ramsey, stafford approaching retirement. donald is getting up there in age. i wouldnt factor this in too much. side note, will Snead learn to value draft picks now? not at all talking him down, he set a goal and accomplished it. just interesting to think about a guy whos traded more picks than anyone ever, now having to do the inverse He went all in a got a super bowl so he was right. The danger is when you do that and don't succeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 There really is no such thing as an undervalued veteran free agent. These guys are well vetted by 32 pro scouting staffs, and the market for pricing is pretty efficient. Not sure another older receiver is a good use of any Salary Cap. Rather role with hoping Gabe Davis gets better. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) On 3/6/2023 at 9:50 PM, nucci said: you can pretty much do anything with the cap if you want to. You really can not. Unfortunately. There is some flexibility that smart GMs can take advantage of. But you can absolutely screw yourself. Which the Rams did, and that's why they're looking at options like this. The Bills are under the cap roungly $17M for this year, but for next year still over by about $14M, though that will go down as they fiddle with extensions and such to get under for this year. The Rams on the other hand are under the cap for $14M this year and already under the cap for next year by $19M. They're in trouble. And you can get there - quick - by making enough dumb moves. On 3/7/2023 at 10:36 AM, Chaos said: There really is no such thing as an undervalued veteran free agent. These guys are well vetted by 32 pro scouting staffs, and the market for pricing is pretty efficient. Not sure another older receiver is a good use of any Salary Cap. Rather role with hoping Gabe Davis gets better. Sorry, man, that's simply not true. Was Geno Smith undervalued? The answer is an obvious yes. The new contract tells you how wildly undervalued he was. There are plenty of undervaued guys. Scouting is a very imperfect enterprise as it depends a lot on factors like scheme fit, player motivation, situation fit and plenty of others. Edited March 8, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Was Geno Smith undervalued? The answer is an obvious yes. Was Geno Smith undervalued? The answer is an obvious no. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: You really can not. Unfortunately. There is some flexibility that smart GMs can take advantage of. But you can absolutely screw yourself. Which the Rams did, and that's why they're looking at options like this. The Bills are under the cap roungly $17M for this year, but for next year still over by about $14M, though that will go down as they fiddle with extensions and such to get under for this year. The Rams on the other hand are under the cap for $14M this year and already under the cap for next year by $19M. They're in trouble. And you can get there - quick - by making enough dumb moves. Sorry, man, that's simply not true. Was Geno Smith undervalued? The answer is an obvious yes. The new contract tells you how wildly undervalued he was. There are plenty of undervaued guys. Scouting is a very imperfect enterprise as it depends a lot on factors like scheme fit, player motivation, situation fit and plenty of others. The scouts miss all the time. As a Bills fan they should know this. Look at all of the Hall of Famers that were drafted after Mike Williams. Fred Jackson was UDFA. Keeping Corday Ford over Wyatt Teller. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. scouts are human and they miss plenty of undervalued played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I’ll overlook the fact that he was an absolute killer on my fantasy teams last season and say yes to a WR2 spot here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 He’s reminds me of Stevie Johnson. Had good numbers on a terrible Bears team because he was the only option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mynamemike said: He’s reminds me of Stevie Johnson. Had good numbers on a terrible Bears team because he was the only option. Nothing like Stevie Johnson. Stevie would burn CBs and sank Revis Island because he would adjust routes doing what he needed to get to points rather than run conventional routes. He developed synchrony with Ryan Fitzpatrick when both were backups and Fitzpatrick understood route adjustments he would make. He had 3 1000 yard consecutive seasons doing that. Andre Reed made comments on what an fantastic adaptive WR he was. I had discussion with Andre Reed and Charlie Taylor (bless his soul) about Stevie at our tailgate, Edited March 8, 2023 by Limeaid 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Limeaid said: Nothing like Stevie Johnson. Stevie would burn CBs and sank Revis Island because he would adjust routes doing what he needed to get to points rather than run conventional routes. He developed synchrony with Ryan Fitzpatrick when both were backups and Fitzpatrick understood route adjustments he would make. He had 3 1000 yard consecutive seasons doing that. Andre Reed made comments on what an fantastic adaptive WR he was. I had discussion with Andre Reed and Charlie Taylor (bless his soul) about Stevie at our tailgate, SPT SCORES STEVIE JOHNSON Wide Receiver CAREER STATS REC 381 YDS 4,764 TD 34 AVG 12.5 Allen Robinson Career rec 528 yars 6,748 avg 12.8 td 43 What? Stevie was so “creative”because he was aloud to run around until he got open. He was so creative he was out the league two years after we got rid of him. good dude and decent player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I drafted him on my fantasy team the last two years so I watched a lot of his play. He just isn't playing good ball, not getting separation, and couldn't get target share on two different teams. I think he might have hit the wall. In the words of Randy Jackson, "That's a no from me dog..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 On 3/6/2023 at 7:06 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: He can play inside and outside. Based on the compensation, which I couldn’t imagine it being anything thing too hefty seeing that the Rams are looking to shed Robinson’s salary and are willing to pay some of his contract, this could be a great solution. Rumor has it that the Giants are interested in Beasley and also trading for Davis. If there is any truth to that I’d be all for trading for Robinson, retain Beasley and trade Davis. The line up then would look like Diggs, Robinson as the #1 and #2 WRs, keep Beasley in the slot, retain Smoke Brown and also have Shakir as the 4th and 5th WRs. To me that would be a pretty impressive line up for WRs. Having Knox and possibly drafting someone like Georgia TE Washington in the 2nd rd would be quite the solid line up for Josh. Of course I’m hoping that the Bills are going to draft Texas RB Bijan Robinson. Adding a potentially great blocking/pass catching TE like Washington would be awesome, especially someone like him would help our OL. WRs like the above mentioned and adding Bijan Robinson and James Cook for RBs would make this offense pretty lethal imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Ask one question, why does he last 1 or 2 years everywhere he plays if he is so talented? It’s either mental, effort, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Bump. Still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) On 3/8/2023 at 11:14 AM, Chaos said: Was Geno Smith undervalued? The answer is an obvious no. Yeah, if you don't have a clue, I guess you might look at it that way. Even the clueless might be hard-pressed to come up with something that obviously wrong. The guy's last five contracts before his new deal were each one year deals, for $805K, $895K, $1.187M, $1.212M and $3.5M. Anyone thinking he wasn't undervalued isn't worth paying attention to. Edited March 21, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/12/2023 at 11:50 AM, Locomark said: Ask one question, why does he last 1 or 2 years everywhere he plays if he is so talented? It’s either mental, effort, or both. Four years, four years and one year. But I hear you. Why didn't Chicago try harder to keep him? Same with L.A. It may not be mental, effort or both. But the last two years two teams have easily let him go, and IMO it's probably not a coincidence that he managed 410 yards and 339 yards respectively those two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I’d give them a 5th if they ate the entire salary. Im more interested in Donald. The team is obviously just going all in for Caleb or Drake- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udubalum07 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 If they take 10 million of the salary and give them a 5th, I think would be worth a shot. That would be less than 5 on the cap for a receiver that just in 2020 had close to 1300 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 hours ago, NewEra said: I’d give them a 5th if they ate the entire salary. Im more interested in Donald. The team is obviously just going all in for Caleb or Drake- who? next years qbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Is it the worst idea if he's really cheap? Probably not. It's a flyer move for a guy who massively underperformed last season. I wouldn't hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/8/2023 at 4:13 PM, Limeaid said: Nothing like Stevie Johnson. Stevie would burn CBs and sank Revis Island because he would adjust routes doing what he needed to get to points rather than run conventional routes. He developed synchrony with Ryan Fitzpatrick when both were backups and Fitzpatrick understood route adjustments he would make. He had 3 1000 yard consecutive seasons doing that. Andre Reed made comments on what an fantastic adaptive WR he was. I had discussion with Andre Reed and Charlie Taylor (bless his soul) about Stevie at our tailgate, On 3/8/2023 at 9:39 PM, Mynamemike said: SPT SCORES STEVIE JOHNSON Wide Receiver CAREER STATS REC 381 YDS 4,764 TD 34 AVG 12.5 Allen Robinson Career rec 528 yars 6,748 avg 12.8 td 43 What? Stevie was so “creative”because he was aloud to run around until he got open. He was so creative he was out the league two years after we got rid of him. good dude and decent player Stevie didn’t run routes- he played street ball with Fitz. it pissed off guys like Revis who were high level tacticians. He’d basically do some stuff that got him to the rim on the basketball court and Fitz would find him. Never understood why another team paid him in FA hoping to fit him into a system offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Stevie didn’t run routes- he played street ball with Fitz. it pissed off guys like Revis who were high level tacticians. He’d basically do some stuff that got him to the rim on the basketball court and Fitz would find him. Agree. That's fundamentally what Chan Gailey taught in his version of E-P offense - "beat your man, get to the spot". There's a downside, though, which was that when Stevie did something Fitz didn't expect or they weren't on the same page, we got some awful interceptions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Four years, four years and one year. But I hear you. Why didn't Chicago try harder to keep him? Same with L.A. It may not be mental, effort or both. But the last two years two teams have easily let him go, and IMO it's probably not a coincidence that he managed 410 yards and 339 yards respectively those two years. 1 hour ago, Udubalum07 said: If they take 10 million of the salary and give them a 5th, I think would be worth a shot. That would be less than 5 on the cap for a receiver that just in 2020 had close to 1300 yards. 5 hours ago, NewEra said: I’d give them a 5th if they ate the entire salary. Im more interested in Donald. The team is obviously just going all in for Caleb or Drake- Robinson is a net negative imo. He straight up quit on the Bears in his last year there. That isn't very process like and someone I don't want near the team. I don't think Diggs would tolerate it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Why waste a spot ? he is washed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 ranked #55 best wr by five thirty eight......i guess that makes him a wr2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ his cap hit is $18 mil this year and next....even if the rams ate half this year......still too much next year is he any better than the 2 guys we just added for team friendly $$ ? i'm a NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Amazing how some fans hang on to one or 2 good seasons. Maybe the guy who has gotten 700 yards, including one with the SB champs and one of the best offensive minds in the nfl, the last 2 seasons just sucks now? what if I told you there was a place where you could get a guy who could be the next Diggs and it would be a lot cheaper than chasing washed up guys like Robinson or OBJ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Agree. That's fundamentally what Chan Gailey taught in his version of E-P offense - "beat your man, get to the spot". There's a downside, though, which was that when Stevie did something Fitz didn't expect or they weren't on the same page, we got some awful interceptions. He was primary receiver in an offense without major stars and he got 3 successive 1000 yard seasons. Chan Galley talked about this. There were points Stevie was supposed to get to and between points he was not supposed to be targeted. Mistakes are of course made but Stevie and Ryan worked most of this out when both were inactive and when both became active we saw the combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Agree. That's fundamentally what Chan Gailey taught in his version of E-P offense - "beat your man, get to the spot". There's a downside, though, which was that when Stevie did something Fitz didn't expect or they weren't on the same page, we got some awful interceptions. I mean that's just the FitzMagic experience 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Stevie didn’t run routes- he played street ball with Fitz. it pissed off guys like Revis who were high level tacticians. He’d basically do some stuff that got him to the rim on the basketball court and Fitz would find him. Never understood why another team paid him in FA hoping to fit him into a system offense. Exaclty. Stevie was not nearly as good as fan lore about him is. They cite his 1000 yard seasons, but they were barely 1000 yard seasons, like right at 1000 yards, which is not that great of an accomplishment, especially in a Chan Gailey offense who threw the ball constantly despite having good RB's. But, the absolute most important thing is that a huge portion of Stevie's season totals came at times in games that were blow out losses in garbage time. I posted plenty of stuff on this during that time where he would be a ghost through the first 3 quarters of a game where he would have little production, then in the final half the 4th quarter with the Bills down 3+ scores, he would get a single garbage time drive with like 4 catches for 55 yards and TD that make his game total look solid and pad his season stats. He might be the most over rated player in Bills history. He was the only WR on a bad team who played in a high volume passing offense. That is the only reason he even got to 1000 yards, and again, it was literally right at 1000 yards, not like he was having 1200+ yard seasons. There is a reason his career completely fell off the cliff as soon as he was out of Buffalo and with better QB's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, appoo said: I mean that's just the FitzMagic experience It reached its nadir in 2011 with the Bills. For most of the rest of his career, and especially after Bill O'Brien benched him in Houston, Fitz did a bit better with the picks. And for the most part, in the rest of the career, it was his brain writing a check his arm couldn't catch, not the "I expect you to run this route, but you ran that route" that we saw with Stevie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/6/2023 at 4:33 AM, Gregg said: Even with the Rams willing to pay a portion of the salary can the Bills still do this cap wise? Probably not. With the Sherfield & Harris signing we probably only have enough for the draft. Unless Tre & Dion restructure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 The last time he played a full season was 2020, some of you have stated that Gabe Davis' production was down yet this guy had 33 receptions, 339 yards and 3 TD and only had double digit TDs once in his entire career and it was back in 2015. No thank you there are plenty of guys like him out there for lot less and you wont have to give up a pick to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I think the Bills can use their resources better than this guy. He isn’t terrible but we need to do better around Allen than some cheap role players. This guy might not even be cheap but I view him as another role player caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) I'd like to add some size to our receiving group, but Robinson hasn't been very productive the past couple years and I'd rather draft a receiver than give up a pick for Robinson. I'd like to draft AT Perry in the mid rounds to give Josh a 6-4 red zone threat receiver. Edited March 21, 2023 by Allen2Diggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I doubt the Rams would be willing to eat enough cap to make it worth it for the Bills. Wouldn’t hate the move but I would look to the draft for help at WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Would rather try to get Kupp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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