Stadium Renderings Part 2

[Mikie2times]

If this ends up being it, sort of reminds me of Seattle with how vertical it is. Extreme noise. Great views. Harder for the older fans. 

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, I've read that about Tottenham.  I'm only seeing a few similarities however.  And why aren't they releasing more renderings.  If they're getting close to ground-breaking then the archtectural renderings are already long done.  I don't understand why they won't put more out, particularly of the concourses etc.  

 

I'm less into those modern impressions than most are, someone mentioned Lucas Oil Stadium, which IMO as I mentioned would look a lot better in Orchard Park than this thing.  That brick facade just seems to fit the region better.  I guess to me, being the Finger Lakes region and all, more or less over there, something more traditional would fit in better.  The existing pics look as if they'd fit better downtown.  

 

I forgot about one thing that you implied, I keep forgetting that Rich is primarily underground but that the new one will be entirely above ground.  That alone will make a huge impression that people should be able to see from notably farther away even with the lightly rolling terrain.  

 

Pegula needs to sign the lease extension too.  

 

 

Architectural style is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I'm guessing the Pegulas wanted to break away from the industrial-style motif that many mentioned they like at Indianapolis. And, as I mentioned in an earlier email, I'm guessing that they're not quite happy with the interior Concourse designs yet....but based on the higher quality image of this latest aerial rendering, we should see something really, really soon.

[Bob Jones]

Like a lot of folks in this thread, I also think the new place is "nothing special", and am also on the "they should be building a dome" bandwagon. LOL

 

Sure, it'll be new, and anything new is usually cool, but it's akin to buying a new house built by KB Homes or Pulte. 🙄

 

The way that the Pegulas are getting everybody but them to pay for it is also astounding. Like someone already said in this thread, NY taxpayers are paying a ransom to keep the Bills in WNY. With the PSLs, when all is said & done, will the Pegulas be paying anything at all toward this new place?

[Mrbojanglezs]

Without it being indoor and multipurpose, it's a complete waste of money. So the hallways will have a nicer cost of paint and fancier more expensive food.

 

Will all the fans be happy paying a PSL to freeze their butts off, at least the wind will be confused

[major]

So I’ve tried to remain positive this entire time with the stadium design. I keep telling myself that at least we have a stadium coming and we didn’t move, etc… However, this is a lower tier college stadium design. I like college football and this design is eerily similar to McClane stadium in Waco Texas (for Baylor). If this was for the university of Buffalo, I would understand the design 

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, major said:

So I’ve tried to remain positive this entire time with the stadium design. I keep telling myself that at least we have a stadium coming and we didn’t move, etc… However, this is a lower tier college stadium design. I like college football and this design is eerily similar to McClane stadium in Waco Texas (for Baylor). If this was for the university of Buffalo, I would understand the design 

Yep it has seats and a field alright. 😉 Other than that I’m definitely not seeing the Baylor connection…and I was just in Waco a few months ago. 

[bobobonators]

17 minutes ago, major said:

So I’ve tried to remain positive this entire time with the stadium design. I keep telling myself that at least we have a stadium coming and we didn’t move, etc… However, this is a lower tier college stadium design. I like college football and this design is eerily similar to McClane stadium in Waco Texas (for Baylor). If this was for the university of Buffalo, I would understand the design 

You can disapprove of it not having a dome, but to say this Stadium reminds you of a college stadium is ludicrous. 
 

And Baylor? Come on man. 

[gflande1]

On 2/25/2023 at 8:49 PM, Wacka said:

Saw something pertaining to a dome on the news this week. Minneapolis was expecting a record snowfall of 25 inches. The previous record was 17 inches. That's the one that deflated the dome. How much($)  and thick would a dome be to survive a 77 inch snowfall ?

SU has a dome they just replaced. Maybe Bills should call SU before they throw the old one out

[Since1981]

I thought only offense FA skill players cared 😕

“It would nice to be warm,” Poyer said today. 

 

We are stupid to build open in the snow rain wind tundra. This is an IQ test for WNY. 

[Doc Brown]

On 2/25/2023 at 8:49 PM, Wacka said:

Saw something pertaining to a dome on the news this week. Minneapolis was expecting a record snowfall of 25 inches. The previous record was 17 inches. That's the one that deflated the dome. How much($)  and thick would a dome be to survive a 77 inch snowfall ?

KeyBank would pry be the blueprint.  I got a kick out of this tweet.

 

 

[Augie]

21 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

I thought only offense FA skill players cared 😕

“It would nice to be warm,” Poyer said today. 

 

We are stupid to build open in the snow rain wind tundra. This is an IQ test for WNY. 

 

No. No, it is not. Unless, of course, you have an extra billion or so to throw into the pot. 

 

Here’s a test for you:  how do Cleveland, Pittsburg, Chicago, Green Bay, Cincinnati, Jets, Giants and Cheaters*, and Kansas City survive? It’s just a financial reality. . 

 

It will NOT be a dome. Get over it. That ship has sailed. 

[mrags]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

No way that roof overhang keeps 65% of seats dry

That’s because that roof overhang isn’t responsible for keeping 65% of the stadium seats dry. It will likely cover about half of the 500 level seats. Then you will have levels 200, 300, and 400 that will have over 50% of the seats covered and heated just like the club seats in the current stadium. Then you’ll have a few overhangs in the end zones in multiple levels, as well as a few spots in the 100s that are also covered by an overhang with heat. 
 

the misconception is that the roof overhangs will keep “62%” (a number confirmed by the Bills at one point) fry. It won’t. So just like the club seats now, unless you plan on bucking up big money for a club type seat, good luck getting out of the elements. 
 

this is my biggest issue with the stadium. I’ve been a ST holder for 17 years. If I’m going to spend the kind of money they want to charge for the new seats and PSLs, I want to be dry and warm while I’m there. 
 

my personal opinion is that a huge number of Bills Mafia will be priced out of season tickets. Which I also think may be a good thing. The nfl, the team, the city, doesn’t want drunk 20 year olds jumping through flaming tables and doing butt chugs in the parking lots before games. Making the entire fan base look like a bunch of Neanderthals that just got out of moms basement for the first time. They want families feeling safe and spending entire paychecks on tickets and merchandise as well as food and beverages during their game day experience. Or corporate money from local business and national businesses alike buying high priced suites and club tickets. 
 

the fan experience of Bills Mafia as we know it today will be a thing of the past once this new stadium is complete. You heard it here first. 

[PBF81]

17 minutes ago, mrags said:

That’s because that roof overhang isn’t responsible for keeping 65% of the stadium seats dry. It will likely cover about half of the 500 level seats. Then you will have levels 200, 300, and 400 that will have over 50% of the seats covered and heated just like the club seats in the current stadium. Then you’ll have a few overhangs in the end zones in multiple levels, as well as a few spots in the 100s that are also covered by an overhang with heat. 
 

the misconception is that the roof overhangs will keep “62%” (a number confirmed by the Bills at one point) fry. It won’t. So just like the club seats now, unless you plan on bucking up big money for a club type seat, good luck getting out of the elements. 
 

this is my biggest issue with the stadium. I’ve been a ST holder for 17 years. If I’m going to spend the kind of money they want to charge for the new seats and PSLs, I want to be dry and warm while I’m there. 
 

my personal opinion is that a huge number of Bills Mafia will be priced out of season tickets. Which I also think may be a good thing. The nfl, the team, the city, doesn’t want drunk 20 year olds jumping through flaming tables and doing butt chugs in the parking lots before games. Making the entire fan base look like a bunch of Neanderthals that just got out of moms basement for the first time. They want families feeling safe and spending entire paychecks on tickets and merchandise as well as food and beverages during their game day experience. Or corporate money from local business and national businesses alike buying high priced suites and club tickets. 
 

the fan experience of Bills Mafia as we know it today will be a thing of the past once this new stadium is complete. You heard it here first. 

 

I don't see a lot of levels overhanging too many seats to keep heated either in those renderings.  

 

Completely agree with you on the experience of Bills Mafia as we know it being gone.  You can tell just by looking at how manicured the lots are.  Not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.  I haven't been to nearly as many recent games as you and others, but there were a lot of drunks, mostly if not all young (under 30-ish), that didn't do the experience any favors, both in and outside the stadium.  

 

I'm not sure that there are the number of families in WNY that will drop that kind of scratch though.  Based on what someone else said, your statement about businesses, thinking national businesses, may be more accurate.  At some point though, what's the point of having a team if locals are priced out in favor of national businesses and resale agencies and have to watch from home anyway.  That entire scenario seems kind of weird.  

[mrags]

55 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I don't see a lot of levels overhanging too many seats to keep heated either in those renderings.  

 

Completely agree with you on the experience of Bills Mafia as we know it being gone.  You can tell just by looking at how manicured the lots are.  Not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.  I haven't been to nearly as many recent games as you and others, but there were a lot of drunks, mostly if not all young (under 30-ish), that didn't do the experience any favors, both in and outside the stadium.  

 

I'm not sure that there are the number of families in WNY that will drop that kind of scratch though.  Based on what someone else said, your statement about businesses, thinking national businesses, may be more accurate.  At some point though, what's the point of having a team if locals are priced out in favor of national businesses and resale agencies and have to watch from home anyway.  That entire scenario seems kind of weird.  

As weird as it may be. That’s what’s going to happen. Etch it in stone now and tell me I’m right in about 5-10 years. 
 

look at the renderings again closely. Anywhere there’s red will be overhangs that will have heat. Like I said, similar to the current clubs now. There’s going to be 5 levels so there’s going to be 4 levels of coverage with heat in some capacity. The levels between the 200 and 400 are stacked almost on top of each other so the overhang and coverage will be fairly significant. Again, for club level types. 

[purple haze]

On 2/26/2023 at 9:56 AM, Jrb1979 said:

I'm fine with no dome but it still should be more state of the art. Instead what we got screams small market. I guess all that matters is that they are staying in Buffalo 

What exactly do you want and what exactly can you tell from 4 of 5 pictures?    

4 hours ago, major said:

So I’ve tried to remain positive this entire time with the stadium design. I keep telling myself that at least we have a stadium coming and we didn’t move, etc… However, this is a lower tier college stadium design. I like college football and this design is eerily similar to McClane stadium in Waco Texas (for Baylor). If this was for the university of Buffalo, I would understand the design 

Many college stadiums are pieced together section add-ons or older stadiums.  You are really on here trying to equate this stadium design with that?

Nah. 

[Since1981]

I’ll end up justifying just 2-3 games yearly with family. If the bills suck in 2028, 20 yr old drunk college table jumpers buy cheap. 
 

I am glad the wind seems to have been heavily addressed. They better not screw that wind up or Bills are doomed in tomorrow’s offensive FA  NFL. 

[BillsFan2313]

22 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

I’ll end up justifying just 2-3 games yearly with family. If the bills suck in 2028, 20 yr old drunk college table jumpers buy cheap. 
 

I am glad the wind seems to have been heavily addressed. They better not screw that wind up or Bills are doomed in tomorrow’s offensive FA  NFL. 

 

[Since1981]

50 yrs later a full covering will cost  $20,000 per yr. The wear and tear of the outdoor elements on the interior—that alone has to be a ton.
 

I just don’t understand why you’d build a three season room on your house but not put the top panels on it. 

[May Day 10]

I don't like how blocky and segmented the seating areas appear, along with voids.  Those gigantic blue facades seem unsightly too.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I think these new renderings  inadvertently released the Bills Free agent plans.. Is that Cole and Devin on the field..  🤔 

 

[John from Riverside]

So I don’t have a dog in the fight because I’m 3000 miles away but I am wondering what the cost would have been to put a retractable dome

[Since1981]

There is actual sunshine in all the renderings. Nicely done! designed by distant Populous peeps showing fictional weather. That’s a beautiful sky, somewhere else. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Since1981

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

I’ll end up justifying just 2-3 games yearly with family. If the bills suck in 2028, 20 yr old drunk college table jumpers buy cheap. 
 

I am glad the wind seems to have been heavily addressed. They better not screw that wind up or Bills are doomed in tomorrow’s offensive FA  NFL. 

tomorrow's?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It should be eye opening for the Bills that this stadium is generating very little excitement.

 

 

[May Day 10]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It should be eye opening for the Bills that this stadium is generating very little excitement.

 

 

 

They have given very little though other than some very broad/general concept art designs.  I wouldn't even classify these as renderings.  We really have seen nothing other than some far-away shots of the seating area, the roof, and some of the facade.  No amenities or specific seating areas/concepts have been provided at all.  

[HOUSE]

On 2/25/2023 at 8:36 PM, JaCrispy said:

Where’s the roof?

Looks like an easy dome job in 2028

 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

So I don’t have a dog in the fight because I’m 3000 miles away but I am wondering what the cost would have been to put a retractable dome

A lot of different numbers have been thrown around but I suppose the easiest comparison would be Tennessee’s recently proposed enclosed stadium, since it will be constructed at the same time as the Bills’. It is reported to cost $2.2 billion. Compare that to the $1.4 billion for the Bills’. (Tennessee’s I believe is just enclosed, not retractable.)

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, mrags said:

That’s because that roof overhang isn’t responsible for keeping 65% of the stadium seats dry. It will likely cover about half of the 500 level seats. Then you will have levels 200, 300, and 400 that will have over 50% of the seats covered and heated just like the club seats in the current stadium. Then you’ll have a few overhangs in the end zones in multiple levels, as well as a few spots in the 100s that are also covered by an overhang with heat. 
 

the misconception is that the roof overhangs will keep “62%” (a number confirmed by the Bills at one point) fry. It won’t. So just like the club seats now, unless you plan on bucking up big money for a club type seat, good luck getting out of the elements. 
 

this is my biggest issue with the stadium. I’ve been a ST holder for 17 years. If I’m going to spend the kind of money they want to charge for the new seats and PSLs, I want to be dry and warm while I’m there. 
 

my personal opinion is that a huge number of Bills Mafia will be priced out of season tickets. Which I also think may be a good thing. The nfl, the team, the city, doesn’t want drunk 20 year olds jumping through flaming tables and doing butt chugs in the parking lots before games. Making the entire fan base look like a bunch of Neanderthals that just got out of moms basement for the first time. They want families feeling safe and spending entire paychecks on tickets and merchandise as well as food and beverages during their game day experience. Or corporate money from local business and national businesses alike buying high priced suites and club tickets. 
 

the fan experience of Bills Mafia as we know it today will be a thing of the past once this new stadium is complete. You heard it here first. 

 

 

That's the BS I was calling out.

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Is it too late to hire a new design team and start over on the stadium?

 

I don't even care if it's dome but this just looks really bad. 

 

Such is the life of an architect. 😂

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

There is actual sunshine in all the renderings. Nicely done! designed by distant Populous peeps showing fictional weather. That’s a beautiful sky, somewhere else. 

That was for Poyer

[SoCal Deek]

Yesterday I mentioned the yet to be revealed Concourse areas, and after looking at the renderings close up it’s clear that a good portion of them are indeed NOT enclosed (heated/cooled). If you look through the openings in the grandstand areas you can clearly see the exterior glass skin of the stadium itself. So…while they’ll surely be wider, they aren’t going to be truly out of the elements…which to me will be rather disappointing. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Airseven]

On 2/26/2023 at 8:28 AM, Einstein said:

 

This is where i’m at. Seems underwhelming for $1.4 billion or whatever the cost is at right now.

 

The Vikings got that taj mahal of a stadium for about the same price, albeit 5 or so years ago.

 

Axthally, the more I look at it the more I really dislike it. No real discernible features. Looks like a soccer stadium mixed with MetLife. 

The toilet seat is discernible.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yesterday I mentioned the yet to be revealed Concourse areas, and after looking at the renderings close up it’s clear that a good portion of them are indeed NOT enclosed (heated/cooled). If you look through the openings in the grandstand areas you can clearly see the exterior glass skin of the stadium itself. So…while they’ll surely be wider, they aren’t going to be truly out of the elements…which to me will be rather disappointing. 

 

So far we know:

 

- The stadium resembles a bedpan

- The wider concourses won’t be shielded from the elements

- There is no real discernible standout features to the stadium

- The roof overhang doesn’t appear to cover much

- Radiant heating will only be in the VIP areas 

- The scoreboards appear oddly small (like one of those weird widescreen monitors)

- The entrances look like you’re going into a department store

- The sections are very blocky and jagged. There is probably a good reason for this (crowd control?) but it looks ugly.

 

I am so bummed that this is all they can do with $1.4B

 

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Edited February 28, 2023 by Einstein

[teef]

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

[Figster]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

Season ticket holders need to voice their concerns IMO.

 

To me it looks like the partial roof overhang may become a problem in the winter with ice coming down from above IMO.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Figster

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

So far we know:

 

- The stadium resembles a bedpan

- The wider concourses won’t be shielded from the elements

- There is no real discernible standout features to the stadium

- The roof overhang doesn’t appear to cover much

- Radiant heating will only be in the VIP areas 

- The scoreboards appear oddly small (like one of those weird widescreen monitors)

- The entrances look like you’re going into a department store

- The sections are very blocky and jagged. There is probably a good reason for this (crowd control?) but it looks ugly.

 

I am so bummed that this is all they can do with $1.4B

 

.

so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs?  amazing.

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Season ticket holders need to voice their concerns IMO.

sure, but we have people complaining with knowing very little specifics.  just because the esthetic isn't what some wanted, there's immediate crying.  

 

 

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs?  amazing.

sure, but we have people complaining with knowing very little specifics.  just because the esthetic isn't what some wanted, there's immediate crying.  

 

 

They go by what they are shown so far.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

That's the BS I was calling out.

That’s why I added it up originally. The 62% people are thinking is that the overhang will come over and over half of the fans. Just not true. It’ll cover likely over half of the 500 level. Then each level will have its own overhang that will likely cover 50% or more like the clubs in our current stadium. Every level will have coverage in some capacity. I’m not sure the 62% is supposed to be total, or up to 62% of each section. It’s statistical numbers that could be skewed in any way they want to make it sound better, which it did at the time. Now the renderings show different. Which is odd because if you look at Tottenheim stadium, the pictures show that the overhang is much larger and covers what appears to be every single seat. This is probably what bothers me the most. 
 

https://www.designboom.com/architecture/new-tottenham-hotspur-stadium-london-populous-04-02-2019/

13 minutes ago, teef said:

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

No. It just sucks. They are going to spend 1.4B of the taxpayers money on a new stadium that didn’t really address any issues of the old stadium besides concourse width, bathrooms, and vending areas. Not sure how anyone would be ok with that. 

[Einstein]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs?  

 

The same things that go into every stadium, you mean? We just saw Minnesota build the taj mahal with the same budget a few years ago.

[Figster]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

That’s why I added it up originally. The 62% people are thinking is that the overhang will come over and over half of the fans. Just not true. It’ll cover likely over half of the 500 level. Then each level will have its own overhang that will likely cover 50% or more like the clubs in our current stadium. Every level will have coverage in some capacity. I’m not sure the 62% is supposed to be total, or up to 62% of each section. It’s statistical numbers that could be skewed in any way they want to make it sound better, which it did at the time. Now the renderings show different. Which is odd because if you look at Tottenheim stadium, the pictures show that the overhang is much larger and covers what appears to be every single seat. This is probably what bothers me the most. 
 

https://www.designboom.com/architecture/new-tottenham-hotspur-stadium-london-populous-04-02-2019/

What does this overhang accomplish, If anything. A safety hazard in the winter from above IMO.