Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Andrews is a beast but he came into the nfl as rookie with Lamar after being drafted in the 3rd round. So apparently he wasn’t that much of a beast to nfl teams. Lamar deserves credit for soem of his success. Isiah’s likely stepped in when Andrews got hurt and also was successful.

Lamar and Mark Andrews have a real good connection together.  The 15 yard crossing route Andrews loves to run from right to left across the field to the sideline has worked wonders for them.  

 

But even with that, the Bills have owned Lamar in all 3 games they played against him.  Even the one in Buffalo that we lost during the regular season.

[Southern_Bills]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Lamar deserves a contract bigger than Watson's.

 

Lamar is a better QB, a more dynamic threat, was league MVP, and hasn't had off the field issues and suspensions. 

 

That, plus contracts always go up over time= give Lamar what Watson got, plus some % on top of that. 

 

I'm always going to be for the players getting paid. If Lamar had torn his knee RGIII style in the playoffs this year the Ravens would say "gosh that's awful" and pay him pennies on the dollar or cut him loose and he wouldn't see a fraction of the $$ he deserves. 

 

IF Lamar was a free agent, some team would give him what he wants, maybe more than 1. Why should he settle?

 

You are correct somewhat, but the hangup is a fully guaranteed contract.

 

The Browns did it but I'm not sure the rest of the league is ready to do it.

 

Doesn't really matter to me, not my money, but it will change the dynamics of the salary cap. The players that are on the backend of the 53 will have to take less money.

[Don Otreply]

13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Lamar doesnt have an agent, and is handling ever aspect of this himself. He majored in Communications, and did not graduate. So not sure how suited he is to run this, or make decisions.

Exactly my point, now what’s the excuse that the Ravens have for making such an absurd offer to begin with?? Being that Lamar has peaked performance wise and is injury prone, and has missed a lot of games because of those injuries???

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Exactly my point, now what’s the excuse that the Ravens have for making such an absurd offer to begin with?? Being that Lamar has peaked performance wise and is injury prone, and has missed a lot of games because of those injuries???

 

He's still a franchise QB. I'm not a big fan or believer but he's definitely top half of the 32 starters, and that is simply the money those guys command. I dont think $20M less than Allen's guaranteed money is that far off from accurate.

 

The Ravens' other option would be letting him walk for nothing which would be the worst case scenario for them. At the very least they need to tag and trade.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Lamar deserves a contract bigger than Watson's.

 

Lamar is a better QB, a more dynamic threat, was league MVP, and hasn't had off the field issues and suspensions. 

 

That, plus contracts always go up over time= give Lamar what Watson got, plus some % on top of that. 

 

I'm always going to be for the players getting paid. If Lamar had torn his knee RGIII style in the playoffs this year the Ravens would say "gosh that's awful" and pay him pennies on the dollar or cut him loose and he wouldn't see a fraction of the $$ he deserves. 

 

IF Lamar was a free agent, some team would give him what he wants, maybe more than 1. Why should he settle?

 

What that means is Watson didnt deserve the contract he got.  He got it because of a desperate franchise that wasnt even on Watsons radar until that point.  It doesnt mean all QBs should start getting fully guaranteed contracts.

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Lamar deserves a contract bigger than Watson's.

 

Lamar is a better QB, a more dynamic threat, was league MVP, and hasn't had off the field issues and suspensions. 

 

That, plus contracts always go up over time= give Lamar what Watson got, plus some % on top of that. 

 

I'm always going to be for the players getting paid. If Lamar had torn his knee RGIII style in the playoffs this year the Ravens would say "gosh that's awful" and pay him pennies on the dollar or cut him loose and he wouldn't see a fraction of the $$ he deserves. 

 

IF Lamar was a free agent, some team would give him what he wants, maybe more than 1. Why should he settle?

Lamar has Baltimore in a bad position and I support him in getting every dollar he can. The more money he gets the better the Josh deal looks.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Lamar and Mark Andrews have a real good connection together.  The 15 yard crossing route Andrews loves to run from right to left across the field to the sideline has worked wonders for them.  

 

But even with that, the Bills have owned Lamar in all 3 games they played against him.  Even the one in Buffalo that we lost during the regular season.

Agreed. We matched up really well against Lamar. Speedy LBs. 

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

What that means is Watson didnt deserve the contract he got.  He got it because of a desperate franchise that wasnt even on Watsons radar until that point.  It doesnt mean all QBs should start getting fully guaranteed contracts.

Watson before all the allegations was a top 5 qb. He was amazing playing on a crappy Houston team. But the browns giving him that much and guaranteed is so wild because he had no real leverage.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Watson before all the allegations was a top 5 qb. He was amazing playing on a crappy Houston team. But the browns giving him that much and guaranteed is so wild because he had no real leverage.

 

Sure he did.  The leverage was going to another team.  They desperately wanted him and when it was announced that the Browns were out of the running for him voila, the deal got done.  It sort of reminds me of how the Pegulas got the Bills, i.e. asking what it would take to get it done and writing a check for that amount.

 

As for Lamar, I wonder if he'd have agreed to a reasonable deal around the time Josh got his?  If so, the Ravens might have made a mistake not giving him one then.  Then again, he hasn't been able to finish the last 2 seasons.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Doc

[TheFunPolice]

I still say that if Lamar were a free agent, some team would give him a fully guaranteed contract in order to get him to sign, maybe more than 1.

 

Therefore, why should he settle? 

 

He holds all the cards, ultimately. He is a star QB, former MVP, and could sit out an entire season if need be and still be the #1 free agent a year from now. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I still say that if Lamar were a free agent, some team would give him a fully guaranteed contract in order to get him to sign, maybe more than 1.

 

Therefore, why should he settle? 

 

He holds all the cards, ultimately. He is a star QB, former MVP, and could sit out an entire season if need be and still be the #1 free agent a year from now. 

 

I can see him looking at what happened with Watson and saying "I want that."  But like with Watson, it's caveat emptor.  As I said above he hasn't finished the last 2 seasons and he does no good if he can't even play in the playoffs, not that his playoff record is that great. 

[Mr. WEO]

Meanwhile, the Browns are thinking of restructuring Watson...

[Ramza86]

Guy is always hurt, doesnt throw a football like an elite qb.

 

Im telling ya man. That Watson contract was the worst thing that could have happened.

 

They might have to make QB salaries partial or separate from the cap.

[Teddy KGB]

22 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Lamar deserves a contract bigger than Watson's.

 

Lamar is a better QB, a more dynamic threat, was league MVP, and hasn't had off the field issues and suspensions. 

 

That, plus contracts always go up over time= give Lamar what Watson got, plus some % on top of that. 

 

I'm always going to be for the players getting paid. If Lamar had torn his knee RGIII style in the playoffs this year the Ravens would say "gosh that's awful" and pay him pennies on the dollar or cut him loose and he wouldn't see a fraction of the $$ he deserves. 

 

IF Lamar was a free agent, some team would give him what he wants, maybe more than 1. Why should he settle?

what about the part where he sucks in the playoffs or stays hurt ? 

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Meanwhile, the Browns are thinking of restructuring Watson...

 

Right but either way Watson is not giving up a penny of guaranteed money, which is the point with Jackson's contract. 

 

I get that it's crazy money, but it's how things work. Cleveland gave out that contract and now any elite QB should consider it the starting point for discussions. Even if the entire contract is not guaranteed, agents will demand Watson's guaranteed money plus whatever else that may or may not be guaranteed. 

 

I feel 0 sympathy for billionaire owners who, if the roles were reversed, would also demand every penny they could get. 

 

Someone will give Lamar a fully guaranteed deal, so why would the player accept anything less? Whether it's a good idea for the team or not is sort of irrelevant to the conversation.

 

If a team would do that for Watson, with all his off field baggage, then someone like Lamar, who is a bigger star and has accomplished more, can also get it. 

 

I hope he goes to the NFC and makes a Brinks truck load of cash. He's a great player and does things the right way. It's just that he isn't going to allow his career to go the way of RGIII where the team abuses him and leaves him busted up and without getting his big payday. 

 

I say good for Lamar. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Scott7975]

20 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Watson before all the allegations was a top 5 qb. He was amazing playing on a crappy Houston team. But the browns giving him that much and guaranteed is so wild because he had no real leverage.

 

I mean he kind of did. Watson told Cleveland no until they made that offer. Cleveland was desperate to get him.  Thats leverage.

[Pecos Bills]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Right but either way Watson is not giving up a penny of guaranteed money, which is the point with Jackson's contract. 

 

I get that it's crazy money, but it's how things work. Cleveland gave out that contract and now any elite QB should consider it the starting point for discussions. Even if the entire contract is not guaranteed, agents will demand Watson's guaranteed money plus whatever else that may or may not be guaranteed. 

 

I feel 0 sympathy for billionaire owners who, if the roles were reversed, would also demand every penny they could get. 

 

Someone will give Lamar a fully guaranteed deal, so why would the player accept anything less? Whether it's a good idea for the team or not is sort of irrelevant to the conversation.

 

If a team would do that for Watson, with all his off field baggage, then someone like Lamar, who is a bigger star and has accomplished more, can also get it. 

 

I hope he goes to the NFC and makes a Brinks truck load of cash. He's a great player and does things the right way. It's just that he isn't going to allow his career to go the way of RGIII where the team abuses him and leaves him busted up and without getting his big payday. 

 

I say good for Lamar. 

I really don't think one guaranteed contract from one of the worst-run franchises in professional sports will become a binding precedent for all major QB negotiations going forward.  Agents (or QB moms) are free to ask for whatever they want, but I expect the Watson contract will prove to be an outlier (if not an outright cautionary tale).

[TheFunPolice]

Rodgers signed a 3 year, 150 million dollar contract last offseason that is 100% guaranteed. 

 

So I think it will become somewhat of a "thing" for top tier guys. 

[ColoradoBills]

25 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Rodgers signed a 3 year, 150 million dollar contract last offseason that is 100% guaranteed. 

 

So I think it will become somewhat of a "thing" for top tier guys. 

 

They're talking about Rodgers on NFLN right now.  Rodgers just said, "I'll make a decision soon enough".

 

The guy is so full of himself.  As to his contract and future I hope it messes up the Packers, so others won't follow suit.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, BayBuck said:

I really don't think one guaranteed contract from one of the worst-run franchises in professional sports will become a binding precedent for all major QB negotiations going forward.  Agents (or QB moms) are free to ask for whatever they want, but I expect the Watson contract will prove to be an outlier (if not an outright cautionary tale).

It might not be, if there’s a bidding war for a QB. 

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Meanwhile, the Browns are thinking of restructuring Watson...

The Browns are restructuring Watson for the same reason the Bills will restructure Allen. Both need cap space and both players have big salaries in an early year of a long contract - and the money being restructured in both cases is guaranteed anyway. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

They're talking about Rodgers on NFLN right now.  Rodgers just said, "I'll make a decision soon enough".

 

The guy is so full of himself.  As to his contract and future I hope it messes up the Packers, so others won't follow suit.

 

It is odd that those are the 2 guys with fully guaranteed QB contracts. One can't decide if he even wants to play, or where, or for how long, and obviously the other comes with serious off the field issues. 

 

If I'm Burrow I'm asking "where's my guaranteed contract?" 

 

[benderbender]

3 hours ago, BayBuck said:

I really don't think one guaranteed contract from one of the worst-run franchises in professional sports will become a binding precedent for all major QB negotiations going forward.  Agents (or QB moms) are free to ask for whatever they want, but I expect the Watson contract will prove to be an outlier (if not an outright cautionary tale).

Yes every team is hoping that every agent forgot. You can’t un-ring that bell. And the fact that THE worst guy got the first guaranteed deal is the straw that broke the back.

 

Lamar is a talented QB but he’s a franchise leader who gives back to his community. He’s worth more than Watson in PR alone and he knows it. It’s not his fault the market got reset. The cost of eggs is $8 a dozen and QB contracts are guaranteed.

[AuntieEm]

On 2/23/2023 at 3:29 PM, first_and_ten said:

 

Plus I'm sure Josh will renegotiate to create cap room 

 

   Well gotta consider that Josh took his bonus money and invested it into his family's farm to plant a orchard of pistachio trees that once bearing nuts should be giving his family a yearly 6 million or so in produce to sell at today's prices give or take.  It really depends on the individual.  So yes Josh planned with his windfall of cash to set his family up to reap benefits going forward independent of his football skills.  So when he decides to call it a career he still has a nice bit of coin coming in from his farming endeavors. 

[97bills]

On 3/1/2023 at 3:51 PM, TheFunPolice said:

 

It is odd that those are the 2 guys with fully guaranteed QB contracts. One can't decide if he even wants to play, or where, or for how long, and obviously the other comes with serious off the field issues. 

 

If I'm Burrow I'm asking "where's my guaranteed contract?" 

 

There some QB I wouldn’t mind paying a guaranteed contract too… Allen mahomes burrow. 

[Mr. WEO]

wait, he wants more guaranteed under-the-towel finishes than Watson gets from the Browns??

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/4/2023 at 11:52 AM, Figster said:

Cliffs cropped off...

wth is this tweet about?

[Figster]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

wth is this tweet about?

I originally thought this was Lamar Jackson's tweet. My mistake.

 

Someones idea of a bad joke. 

 

(I deleted it on twitter )

Edited March 6, 2023 by Figster

[machine gun kelly]

1.  He’s out of his mind if he thinks he can bully a well run organization like Baltimore.

 

2. He’s just trying to force his way out,

amd making unreasonable demands as he wants to go to Miami or another destination which would be stupid as Baltimore built their offense around Lamar’s skills.

 
Even if he made it to Miami, will he be exposed not being able to throw accurately outside the hashes to Hill and Waddle.  I’m not saying he’s not a good QB, just has some limitations as opposed to Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Burrow.  When Harbaugh tried to make him into a pocket passer, Lamar had the 32nd ranked passing attack in the NFL.

 

3.  The obvious point is he needs an agent from a major firm. To think he, his mom, and the NFLPA, can do better than what a top notch firm can do to save the 2% in agent fees is dumb and wreckless.

 

Bottom line is he’s not getting a fully guaranteed contract.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

1.  He’s out of his mind if he thinks he can bully a well run organization like Baltimore.

 

2. He’s just trying to force his way out,

amd making unreasonable demands as he wants to go to Miami or another destination which would be stupid as Baltimore built their offense around Lamar’s skills.

 
Even if he made it to Miami, will he be exposed not being able to throw accurately outside the hashes to Hill and Waddle.  I’m not saying he’s not a good QB, just has some limitations as opposed to Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Burrow.  When Harbaugh tried to make him into a pocket passer, Lamar had the 32nd ranked passing attack in the NFL.

 

3.  The obvious point is he needs an agent from a major firm. To think he, his mom, and the NFLPA, can do better than what a top notch firm can do to save the 2% in agent fees is dumb and wreckless.

 

Bottom line is he’s not getting a fully guaranteed contract.

 

I'm not sure how much an agent will help when he's demanding a fully-guaranteed contract and won't budge.  

[BarleyNY]

https://theathletic.com/4277824/2023/03/06/ravens-lamar-jackson-franchise-tag-free-agency/?amp=1

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/

 

Good article on the whole Ravens situation. I also linked their cap numbers from Spotrac because the article only talks in general terms. The big take away is that the difference between the non-exclusive and exclusive franchise tags for Lamar is about $13 million ($32M & $45M). They’ve got $25M in space now and they could get to $32M with only a little pain, but getting to $45M will cut a lot deeper. They are going to lose some good players if they have to do that.

[TheFunPolice]

I used to think the Ravens were a well run organization, but then that NFLPA report came out and a bunch of current and former Ravens started dunking on the team on social media. they seemed more than happy to embarrass the Ravens organization. 

 

Reading between the lines, this whole Lamar deal is Lamar trying to force his way out, for whatever reason. 

[Don Otreply]

On 3/1/2023 at 4:51 PM, TheFunPolice said:

 

It is odd that those are the 2 guys with fully guaranteed QB contracts. One can't decide if he even wants to play, or where, or for how long, and obviously the other comes with serious off the field issues. 

 

If I'm Burrow I'm asking "where's my guaranteed contract?" 

 

If I’m Cincinnati, I tell My QB that is fine we will just have to trade/cut most of your protection and weapons to afford it, balls in your court Joe…, 

[TheFunPolice]

10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

If I’m Cincinnati, I tell My QB that is fine we will just have to trade/cut most of your protection and weapons to afford it, balls in your court Joe…, 

 

Great point. One one hand I get guys maximizing their value. On the other, there's a limit.

 

Would a QB like Burrow or Lamar accept a 5 year $200 million contract if it was 100% guaranteed, rather than a longer term, higher $$ deal without as much guaranteed? 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Is there any chance this guy does not get tagged?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Is there any chance this guy does not get tagged?

 

Only if they can workout a long-term deal.  Otherwise no chance.

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 2/28/2023 at 5:28 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agreed. We matched up really well against Lamar. Speedy LBs. 

Watson before all the allegations was a top 5 qb. He was amazing playing on a crappy Houston team. But the browns giving him that much and guaranteed is so wild because he had no real leverage.

Watson looked lousy when he came back late last season.  He should be better next season.  But still QB's seem to still go to die in Cleveland.  Baker was nothing special with them.  And he was the first pick that year.  He was overdrafted.  But playing with Hue Jackson and then Freddy Kitchens as your head coach is tough.  And Stefanski hasn't done a whole lot better.  I dare say that the height of Cleveland Browns football in the modern era was their win over the Bills in the 1989 wild card game.  A game for the ages.  Maybe they should have never left Memorial Stadium even when they came back to the NFL in 1999.  LOL.

 

  

[Punching Bag]

On 2/27/2023 at 12:11 PM, The Jokeman said:

Remember how John Brown looked with Lamar in 2018 and then bolted the next season for Buffalo and performed better with Josh Allen?

 

Well yea but he had a QB throwing to him not a RB so of course his performance with increase.

[TheFunPolice]

Ravens should put the non-exclusive tag, let Lamar go find another team's best offer, then just match it and say "see, you got top market $$"

 

Theoretically, could another team sign Lamar to an offer sheet that, for example, gave him a $5 million bonus for every game played in Baltimore as a poison pill to stop the Ravens from matching? 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Watson looked lousy when he came back late last season.  He should be better next season.  But still QB's seem to still go to die in Cleveland.  Baker was nothing special with them.  And he was the first pick that year.  He was overdrafted.  But playing with Hue Jackson and then Freddy Kitchens as your head coach is tough.  And Stefanski hasn't done a whole lot better.  I dare say that the height of Cleveland Browns football in the modern era was their win over the Bills in the 1989 wild card game.  A game for the ages.  Maybe they should have never left Memorial Stadium even when they came back to the NFL in 1999.  LOL.

 

  

Pretty sure beating the hated Steelers in the 2020 playoffs ranks higher for Browns fans …

[NeverOutNick]

Looks like they did the non exclusive franchise tag. I think that’s smart to let him see what he can get and then match if you like it. If not you get a couple first rounders and we all know Baltimore knows how to draft