SCBills Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, SCBills said: He should he’s twice the QB Watson is 2 1 9 2 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: He should he’s twice the QB Watson is Two things can be true. 1) He is twice the QB Watson is. 2) Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. 10 1 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidiehard Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Injury history is enough to not put that option on the table. 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: since he only plays half the season that like 100 million per season 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) Prime Watson is a much better QB than prime Jackson. I don't think prime Watson is coming back and I think Jackson's best years are behind him. Edited February 23, 2023 by Jauronimo 7 2 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: This is why the owners were so upset with the Browns, and I agree with them. Giving this pervert a guaranteed huge contract was moronic!! I don't blame Lamar at all. A healthy Lamar is worth more than Watson, but he made a big mistake stepping on the field last year without a new contract in place. Now this makes two years in a row he got hurt and couldn't finish the season. The ravens have just two decisions: Pay him a fully guaranteed contract or trade him for as much as you can get. I doubt he plays under a franchise tag. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: Ravens front office is not as good as I thought making that offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I have that much more respect and appreciation for Josh Allen who understood he is a valued commodity, was paid commensurate with his success and still left meat on the bone that allows us to build a team around him. Lamar is on drugs...or another GM is on drugs who signs him to that type of money. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle and freddy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I forgot …how many playoff games /Super Bowls has he won ? Must be several to ask for that … 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Good luck with that Lamar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Out of any player on the market this year, I feel he will be the most disappointed by the interest he receives from teams. Like Aaron Rodgers-level disappointment as he fell to 24th in the 2005 draft. I don't think the Ravens are interested, and I suspect teams know about whatever health issues he has that have been kept under wraps. IMO, I think his body is toast insofar as it being able to handle the rigors of playing in the NFL. The offers will be heavy on incentives, light on anything guaranteed. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, SCBills said: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: This is why the owners were so upset with the Browns, and I agree with them. Giving this pervert a guaranteed huge contract was moronic!! I don't blame Lamar at all. A healthy Lamar is worth more than Watson, but he made a big mistake stepping on the field last year without a new contract in place. Now this makes two years in a row he got hurt and couldn't finish the season. The ravens have just two decisions: Pay him a fully guaranteed contract or trade him for as much as you can get. I doubt he plays under a franchise tag. The problem is Lamar not been healthy the last two seasons but the NFL is a passing league first and Lamar doesn't fit that mold. Edited February 23, 2023 by The Jokeman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: I have that much more respect and appreciation for Josh Allen who understood he is a valued commodity, was paid commensurate with his success and still left meat on the bone that allows us to build a team around him. Lamar is on drugs...or another GM is on drugs who signs him to that type of money. Plus I'm sure Josh will renegotiate to create cap room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Lamar should have taken the 250M/133M guaranteed. 4 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) I'm sure Lamar knows that some team will give him something like 50M per, fully guaranteed, 6-7 year contract. Easy for us to say that's crazy, given we have Josh Allen, but I'm sure quite a few would pay whatever it takes to someone like Lamar Jackson when we were wandering in the QB wilderness after Jim Kelly. Let's hope the Jets are that team. Kill their cap and deplete their picks... Woody Johnson said he'd do whatever it takes to bring in a top tier QB, didn't he? Lamar, debatable, but most would say he's that. Edited February 23, 2023 by SCBills 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Watson has proven to be a much better passer than Jackson. I’m not sure I pay that if I’m the Ravens, and they could get multiple first round picks in return for him. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: The problem is Lamar not been healthy the last two seasons but the NFL is a passing league first and Lamar doesn't fit that mold. I agree with you about his health issues. I do think he's a better passer than given credit for though 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: The problem is Lamar not been healthy the last two seasons but the NFL is a passing league first and Lamar doesn't fit that mold. Which is why he wants that guarantee money and the Raven's are smart and not budging. Idk who will play running back for them if he doesn't return though. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 If I'm Baltimore, I'm tagging Lamar and telling him to come play 1 more year with the new OC, and if it goes well, I'll give him $300M all guaranteed. And if not, we'll let him hit FA and never tag him again. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Why should he take less than Watson? I’m sure Hurts and Herbert are asking for the same thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Is it possible that Lamar Jackson's career is over because he's just plain stubborn and unrealistic? 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 'Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract' * (It must be 'pick on Haslam day') 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: If I'm Baltimore, I'm tagging Lamar and telling him to come play 1 more year with the new OC, and if it goes well, I'll give him $300M all guaranteed. And if not, we'll let him hit FA and never tag him again. Lamar Jackson controls everything. Ravens aren’t going to tag him exclusively, cap hit too high. If they tag him non exclusive he can negotiate with other teams and get the deal he wants. You know someone will pay him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Is it possible that Lamar Jackson's career is over because he's just plain stubborn and unrealistic? Possible, sure. Especially with no agent or anyone else guiding him with these business decisions. Hope he saw that recent Le'Veon Bell interview where he said holding out and sitting out was the biggest mistake of his life and he shouldve just signed the Steelers original offer. If Ravens tag him and he sits out, it's all downhill. I still think they tag him and ultimately trade him to Atlanta tho. And Arthur Blank WILL give him $275M all guaranteed. 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lamar Jackson controls everything. Ravens aren’t going to tag him exclusively, cap hit too high. If they tag him non exclusive he can negotiate with other teams and get the deal he wants. You know someone will pay him. See above. I think tag and trade is what ultimately happens. Just theorizing on what else they could do. That new OC throws an interesting wrinkle in. I do disagree that he controls everything. He controls himself and whether he plays or not. But the team has options too. Edited February 23, 2023 by DrDawkinstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Tag and Trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, SCBills said: I understand that he is trying to maximize himself due to his past accomplishments, as well as the importance of the position he plays, and the fact he totes the rock more than any other QB. Still, this is 13 on the Wonderlic type stuff. The Browns were stupid. There are 31 other franchises that are not the Browns, and therefore carry themselves accordingly. BUT, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets would do something irrational if given the opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Ravens front office is not as good as I thought making that offer. Eric DeCosta is NO Ozzie Newsome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 55 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'm sure Lamar knows that some team will give him something like 50M per, fully guaranteed, 6-7 year contract. Easy for us to say that's crazy, given we have Josh Allen, but I'm sure quite a few would pay whatever it takes to someone like Lamar Jackson when we were wandering in the QB wilderness after Jim Kelly. Let's hope the Jets are that team. Kill their cap and deplete their picks... Woody Johnson said he'd do whatever it takes to bring in a top tier QB, didn't he? Lamar, debatable, but most would say he's that. I hope it's not the jets. Even a best up Lamar is better than what they had last year and the rest of their team is pretty solid top to bottom. A better than average QB would make them better. As far as the cap hell, yes I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Calidiehard said: Injury history is enough to not put that option on the table. Do you really believe he couldn't have played at the end of the season? He didn't owe the organization anything. They weren't negotiating with him in full sincerity. Their offer to him was putrid. Honestly, he shouldn't have played at all. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, SCBills said: I'm sure Lamar knows that some team will give him something like 50M per, fully guaranteed, 6-7 year contract. Easy for us to say that's crazy, given we have Josh Allen, but I'm sure quite a few would pay whatever it takes to someone like Lamar Jackson when we were wandering in the QB wilderness after Jim Kelly. Let's hope the Jets are that team. Kill their cap and deplete their picks... Woody Johnson said he'd do whatever it takes to bring in a top tier QB, didn't he? Lamar, debatable, but most would say he's that. The Jets also told Derek Carr that if he came to NY he'd be a first ballot hall of famer, so the Jets do have a history of being completely insane and living in an alternate reality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Do you really believe he couldn't have played at the end of the season? He didn't owe the organization anything. They weren't negotiating with him in full sincerity. Their offer to him was putrid. Honestly, he shouldn't have played at all. I would boycott and never play football again.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidiehard Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Do you really believe he couldn't have played at the end of the season? He didn't owe the organization anything. They weren't negotiating with him in full sincerity. Their offer to him was putrid. Honestly, he shouldn't have played at all. He missed final 4 games the season before as well. The fact he sat for a playoff game says everything about his character and he doesn't deserve a fully guaranteed contract. Also not saying Watson should have gotten that either. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Do you really believe he couldn't have played at the end of the season? He didn't owe the organization anything. They weren't negotiating with him in full sincerity. Their offer to him was putrid. Honestly, he shouldn't have played at all. They offered him what is overwhelmingly considered to be a fair and generous offer and he turned it down. I do not fault the Ravens if they are no longer interested in wasting their time negotiating with a delusional amateur who insists on representing himself to his own detriment. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Kyle and freddy said: I forgot …how many playoff games /Super Bowls has he won ? Must be several to ask for that … how many has Watson won? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Calidiehard said: He missed final 4 games the season before as well. The fact he sat for a playoff game says everything about his character and he doesn't deserve a fully guaranteed contract. Also not saying Watson should have gotten that either. He showed his character by playing at all. He risked playing and got injured believing the Ravens were going to do right by him. Lamar is a better QB than Murray/Wilson. The Ravens offered him a contract less than theirs. Total disrespect IMO. Lamar Jackson is the main reason Ravens stadium is filled. That alone should warrant the money 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 He must be high af. Nope. Not with that face 🤣 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 I’m not mad at him. He’s know there’s multiple teams that would be willing to pay him. He’s obviously going to get tagged if Baltimore doesn’t want to pay him just trade him and move on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: how many has Watson won? One, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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