Warcodered Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Tuco said: Because he has a $15.5 million salary with the Chargers in 2023, plus some prorated cap bonuses for a total cap charge in 2023 of $21.7 million for the Chargers. If he becomes a cap casualty and the Chargers cut him (not saying they will but whatever), they save $14.8 million in cap space in 2023. Allen becomes an unrestricted free agent who will. at the age of 30, presumably sign a new contract for a cap charge much lower than the $21.7 million the Chargers are strapped with. Could the Chargers move some of that hit down the line and extend him though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I mean we won’t get that but we need to hit on a rookie contract WR that can develop into a top 2 WR. I don’t think we can expect a late 1 or 2 round WR to impact much next year. We might have to sign a WR with talent that has upside. Someone in the $8-10 million range who has upside as a WR2 this upcoming season. A DJ Chark possibly. Make the 1st year cap hit low. I would love for the Bills to target DJ Chark this offseason. A more realistic option than Jakobi Meyers. I like Keenan Allen too, but he will more likely be too expensive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Not a big fan. We need a speed threat / Metcalf type weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Billz4ever said: He's probably going to want at $15M per and may very well want a multiyear deal. That's exactly what we can't have and Beane has said as much for next season. Signing high priced FA's is not a sustainable or a wise model for building a team. The Bills need to develop players through the draft that are on rookie contracts. Just wishful thinking on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Just wishful thinking on my part. If we could afford him, I'd take him, but not sitting the greatest with the cap right now with a lot of holes to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: I would sign him. Don't need him to be a star, just need him to be a solid #2. Also we need our coaches and medical staff to manage him in a way where he is healthy for the playoffs. I felt that was the plan for Von, it just sadly went south unexpectedly. This. We don't need Diggs 2.0 on the other side of him. We need a 1B or 2A, that is a big target, reliable hands and has an actual route tree. Gabe Davis fits perfect in the #3 as a deep threat. Edited February 7, 2023 by BillsFan2313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 This is great, the Bills are immune from cap ramifications. They can magically sign every FA to huge contracts no problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Out 12 games? Lol, that's more missed games than he's had in the last 6 seasons combined. That being said, a hard pass on Keenan, we don't need more old players. We need to get players who are younger and cheaper. He missed 7 with a hamstring last year. It was definitely sarcastic lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: This is great, the Bills are immune from cap ramifications. They can magically sign every FA to huge contracts no problem. Would be nice, eh? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Allen is going to get a bag of money. He isn't coming to Buffalo for pennies. Plenty of contenders can use a WR like him who several easily have the cap space to pay him. My fear is he will somehow end up in KC though, lets just hope that doesn't happen. He will have a lot of suitors if he becomes a cap casualty. The funny part is that he so much better than Mike Williams who is hurt more often and wildly inconsistent. If I was the Chargers, I would rather keep Allen and ditch Mike Williams. I said immediately when they signed Mike Williams to that new contract they would regret it and it was gonna cost them other good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 hours ago, BBills_88 said: Can we stop with the old band aides and continue to draft younger and healthier WR's We can and should do both, hes a top WR in the nfl, and the anti Davis. Dude will catch 5-10 balls game after game. Gives Allen an outlet to get the ball out fast, keep the chains moving, attention of off Diggs. Have 2 guys methodically catching balls, THATS how Gabe gets to be the player hes best at being too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Don't want him. If there's a 5 mph wind, he'll fall over and spend 8 weeks on IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: We need a Chase/ Waddle young speed wr on a 5 yr rookie contract. Players like Hopkins or Allen don't interest me anymore. Willing to give up 3 high picks this year and 1 or 2 more next year? If we didnt need to gut our OL sure, but we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 If they’re spending real money I’d rather see it spent on the offensive line. Heck, if Allen is gonna cost $20MM then Beane could probably get Allen Lazard and a starting guard for that same price which would improve our run and screen blocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Allen Td pass to Allen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 His contract has a bit of a balloon salary in 2024 but for a trade, his 2023 number is not awful, I wonder if there is a potential trade out there. Definitely not the Bills but someone could trade and commit to 15 million-ish for 2023 and they could waive him after for a 2.7M dead cap hit. Or possibly extend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Multiple reports hinting Keenan Allen as a potential cap casualty due to Chargers cap situation. Would be a solid WR opposite of Diggs, having two of the best route runners in the NFL. Probably will get paid more than we want to pay if he's released, but an intriguing situation nonetheless. https://theathletic.com/4154672/2023/02/06/chargers-keenan-allen-salary-cap-casualty/ Spend the money on the offensive line and get better at WR through the draft. No person could argue that if your offensive line was top 10 or better, we would be in the SB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) Love him as a player. Hate him as an injury risk. There's too much on the line to risk not having a WR2 again come playoff time because Keenan Allen is injured when it matters. 8 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Prior to this year, he missed two games in five years. Not advocating one way or the other, just putting it out there. That's a pretty generous view of him. Here's the actual write-up: https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/keenan-allen/6678 Edited February 7, 2023 by Rigotz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Love him as a player. Hate him as an injury risk. There's too much on the line to risk not having a WR2 again come playoff time because Keenan Allen is injured when it matters. That's a pretty generous view of him. Here's the actual write-up: https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/keenan-allen/6678 Prior to 2022, your link says 3 games in the past five years - same thing I stated. I agree with all those stating he is injury prone. I saw the news and thought it was worth sharing. When healthy, he's still pretty damn good is all I am getting at, and I wouldn't want to pay him very much either. However, if it was on the cheap it would be worth entertaining, but some team will overpay for him more than likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: We can and should do both, hes a top WR in the nfl, and the anti Davis. Dude will catch 5-10 balls game after game. Gives Allen an outlet to get the ball out fast, keep the chains moving, attention of off Diggs. Have 2 guys methodically catching balls, THATS how Gabe gets to be the player hes best at being too. We don't need to spend $15M on a guy to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Billl said: Will he sign for -$20,000,000? Seems to work for the Congress of these United States! 🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Trade Gabe Davis for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Process said: Yuck. Allen is solid. We need a playmaker. If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Mango said: If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. I think on Keenan Allen, I'd like him but if you sign him at this stage you sign him as a big slot, use his crafty route running inside and you draft a speed guy outside. Let the speed guy run deep and try and soften teams up for Diggs and Allen to operate in those intermediate zones. Your deep guy can be your #3.... he can catch 35/40 balls at 16/17 yards per clip but if he is enough of a threat to force teams to respect the speed Diggs and Allen could eat underneath if Josh can just stay patient enough 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Mango said: If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. Scoring 10 points in a playoff game happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Mango said: If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. The red and blue sentences go together. You're right that we need to hit on a second receiver on their rookie contract. We thought we did that with Davis, and we were wrong. Hence the freak-out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Mango said: If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. It's the fact that Beane hasn't provided Allen with the "2 out of 3" that the other QB's he's facing off against have. Burrow has an elite WR1 and an elite WR2. Mahomes has an elite WR1 (Kelce) and an elite OL. Allen has an elite WR1 and.... Knox, Davis, Shakir, MVS, Juju, Moore, Boyd, Hurst, Mixon, Singletary, Perine, Cook, Pacheco, McKinnon... throw all those guys in the pot.... each team has a similar supporting cast of guys, but it's very evident that Allen is missing the 2nd of 3 pieces (WR1, WR1a, OL) that Mahomes and Burrow have. Allen is elite. He also needs to be given weaponry and/or protection on par with those on his level. We can't really say he has a better defense, because the defense never shows up against those guys in the playoffs. Beane, thus far, has failed him.. and he's fighting his elite peer QB's with one hand tied behind his back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 We definitely need to bring in more weapons for Josh but no on Keenan Allen. He commands too high a cap number for what we can expect from an oft-injured 30 year old wr, and in relation to our other team needs. I also dont like paying out big contracts to players over 30. We have a few players in that situation & I'd rather we get someone younger personally. Especially at positions where speed is important & youth is available elsewhere. A team that commits big money to older players ends up being handcuffed by those contracts. We're seeing it already with our present cap situation. Jakobi Meyers could work, DJ Chark or even Marquise Goodwin can be had cheap & both have speed. If people are set on Keenan, i'd offer Marvin Jones Jr for a fraction of the cost. Not the potential upside of Keenan but relatively comparable wrs & production. Keenan might work out on Madden but i dont know how we can address all our needs while acquiring him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I think on Keenan Allen, I'd like him but if you sign him at this stage you sign him as a big slot, use his crafty route running inside and you draft a speed guy outside. Let the speed guy run deep and try and soften teams up for Diggs and Allen to operate in those intermediate zones. Your deep guy can be your #3.... he can catch 35/40 balls at 16/17 yards per clip but if he is enough of a threat to force teams to respect the speed Diggs and Allen could eat underneath if Josh can just stay patient enough I like that plan, and if Jalen Hiatt is available he could be that speed guy. Fix the offensive line and we will be in great shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, BBills_88 said: Can we stop with the old band aides and continue to draft younger and healthier WR's We need to draft OLine. If affordable, Keenan is sure handed and would be a huge upgrade. Edited February 7, 2023 by foreboding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) Nice player but has rotted out rubber bands for hamstrings. Pass Edited February 7, 2023 by GolfandBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 15 hours ago, Mango said: If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. The thing that shifted is that outside of Diggs those guys all suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 12:20 PM, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Multiple reports hinting Keenan Allen as a potential cap casualty due to Chargers cap situation. Would be a solid WR opposite of Diggs, having two of the best route runners in the NFL. Probably will get paid more than we want to pay if he's released, but an intriguing situation nonetheless. https://theathletic.com/4154672/2023/02/06/chargers-keenan-allen-salary-cap-casualty/ I'm pretty sure Beane at the press conference said the cap will be tight and not to expect big named free agents if I'm not mistaken so I'm going to take him up on his word. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, foreboding said: We need to draft OLine. If affordable, Keenan is sure handed and would be a huge upgrade. I agree with the lineman, I don't trust Allen to stay healthy. Give me a younger cheaper option with more durability & great hands. I just hope this coaching staff stop with the distrust of rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 1:18 PM, Billl said: Will he sign for -$20,000,000? 😂 Go home, Billl. You've achieved a lot today and there is no reason to over do it, or wreck your stock value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 15 hours ago, Mango said: If you think Keenan Allen isn’t good enough to play opposite of Diggs then we don’t have a WR problem, we have a QB problem. I don’t think we have a QB problem. Allen is more than good enough. But I’ll say it for the millionth time; no team with a top 5 QB contract can afford a 1a/1b receiver duo unless you get production on a rookie deal. Keenan Allen isn’t a viable option. Early on the board raved about how Allen made guys like Robert Foster, Duke Williams, etc. but now the board is up in arms about how having Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Beasley, Brown, Hodgins, Shakir isn’t good enough and we need to spend big money on a second WR. It gives me pause. I’m not sure what shifted but something did. I think what shift it was expectations Fans have been listening since the beginning of the season that the bills were the favorites to win the Super Bowl then they didn’t win it so now everybody sucks 16 minutes ago, arcane said: The thing that shifted is that outside of Diggs those guys all suck you know it was interesting before this year. Gabe Davis didn’t suck. McKenzie was a fan favorite Dawson Knox was an up-and-coming tight end 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I'm pretty sure Beane at the press conference said the cap will be tight and not to expect big named free agents if I'm not mistaken so I'm going to take him up on his word. Not disputing your input; just putting this out there as newsworthy to chew on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Not disputing your input; just putting this out there as newsworthy to chew on. Totally understand I just don't think we have the coin to make such a move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: Totally understand I just don't think we have the coin to make such a move. I agree, I think he will command more than we want to pay; someone will overpay (if released). Edited February 7, 2023 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 On 2/6/2023 at 2:11 PM, Mr. WEO said: I get why the Chargers want him off the books. I don't see how he signs anywhere for less than 15 mil a year. Oh I see. Well 30 year old WRs who just missed 6 games in the previous season don't usually. And I never really expected that we would sign him. Just pointing out the team that does sign him sure won't be getting a $21 million cap hit. But yeah, anything we sign him for would certainly be cap issue - just like anybody we sign this offseason. On 2/6/2023 at 6:15 PM, Warcodered said: Could the Chargers move some of that hit down the line and extend him though? Sure they can. Any team can always do that. But with a cap hit of $25.8 mil in 2024 I'm not sure just how much or how far they can move enough to make a difference - and whether they think it would be worth it. Which, I'm assuming, is why they are considering him a cap casualty cut in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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