PrimeTime101 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 guys lol relax. These are micro coaching positions that are taught by higher ups what they want to be worked on. #1. Only Current coaching staff knows if our last Safety's coach was doing his job. Performance does not really dictate anything in a position like this. #2. Realistically half the micro coaches like this are not even listed on the Bills website. #3. It's who you know and how dedicated you are to putting the hard work in, and following through your job and again... only the staff would know if another coach were doing their job or not... Stats, Injuries and rankings have 0 to do with the job these micro processioning coaches do... IF say a DB or a LB coach or gets fired? its because they lost their dedication... lost their will to play for this organization. The S Coach that was fired? Had nothing to do with player performance on the field. Had everything to do with his teaching skills or his will to stay where he at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I love his wife! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: With a career history of the Texans, Jaguars, and Falcons how could we say no. Jags D looked pretty good against us in their most recent meeting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He coached in Tampa 2 for one year. He also coached in multiple 3-4 attacking defenses, and a 4-2-5 with zone and man concepts. He is a well traveled and multi-scheme coach. Dont blast him for one year in Houston. If the Bills are smart they will start getting away from Frazier and do more to be more multiple is their coverages. This may help with that. Like someone noted in another topic, where is that Jim Johnson defense that McDermott was raised in? That's what we need. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 There wasn’t anybody available in Carolina? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Just seems odd that the position coach who had to deal with injuries to Hyde, Poyer and then the Hamlin situation, is the ONLY coach on staff to be fired. And he was prior nickel coach who may have been part of developing Taron before this year. Screams scapegoat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 What a big splash to get us over the jump 🤣🤣🤣🙄🙄🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said: Houston had good safety play this past season. Jalen Pitre had himself a great rookie season. Was just about to say this. Every time I watched Pitre, he flashed. Being in Jacksonville before, you have to assume he helped develop Andre Cisco and Andrew Wingard. Wingard is a free agent and former teammate of Josh Allen's and mentioned on here a few times. Perhaps he is a fit that makes sense. I will say that the fact that Danna survived multiple coaching changes (namely two huge not so nice guys in Doug Marrone and Urban Meyer) says something about his perseverance and adaptability. He also learned a bunch under Perry Fewell, which means he is a Dick Jauron-Lovie Smith connect...that at least mean he is gonna know what Frazier wants. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Just seems odd that the position coach who had to deal with injuries to Hyde, Poyer and then the Hamlin situation, is the ONLY coach on staff to be fired. Maybe the new guy has a doctor in the family & the Bills want to be extra vigilant with their safeties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 You guys are about to B word and moan about the safety coach? Who cares who they hired to coach the safeties. Outside of HC only 5 coaches matter…..OC, DC, QBC, OLC and DLC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Interview went something like this: So when it’s 4th and 19, do you teach the secondary to knock the ball down or go for the interception? Take your time….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Interview went something like this: So when it’s 4th and 19, do you teach the secondary to knock the ball down or go for the interception? Take your time….. So tell me, Joe ... how do you feel about cushions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 We have no idea why Salgado was fired. The reasons may be beyond the performance of the safeties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: With how things went this season the Safety Coach position was definitely tested, I guess they weren't satisfied with how the absolute ***** ton of adversity was handled? Hamlin flashed. Johnson was a major liability. Both of them together was a huge problem for us. The Bills must believe they have starter quality depth in Hamlin/Johnson and coaching failed them? Otherwise I don't totally understand why we would move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I mean the guy has coached some pro-bowlers. But mainly as a DB Coach with guys like Revis and Jalen Ramsey. Has some versatility in terms of both zone and man schemes and at the very least has coached in the NFL. Salgado did a great job while he was here, but he had never coached at the NFL level before coming here. He had the advantage of having both Hyde and Poyer here. My guess is McDermott is looking for someone with more pro experience because the safety room is about to get a lot younger. It's strange that McD would toss aside an assistant who's been serving in the NFL under the HC for 6 seasons, was in year 1 as safeties coach and had been promoted twice before his latest role. But let's say it's more related to scheme diversity...that still points to this not being a focus for a few years and the HC shares in that. It shouldn't take 5+ seasons to understand that modern offenses going up against specific alignments in coverage are going to figure them out. Seems more like throwing a deck chair off the Titanic after their drubbing versus Cincinnati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: We have no idea why Salgado was fired. The reasons may be beyond the performance of the safeties. Almost certainly so. But that doesn’t mean that the fans can’t have a bit of fun with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Just seems odd that the position coach who had to deal with injuries to Hyde, Poyer and then the Hamlin situation, is the ONLY coach on staff to be fired. Alternatively, they fired a coach who had Hyde and Poyer to obscure things, while their backups spent 2 and 4 years under his wing and flopped badly when they hit the field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Interview went something like this: So when it’s 4th and 19, do you teach the secondary to knock the ball down or go for the interception? Take your time….. 10-15 yards off the wrs with no press coverage? Is that the correct answer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, BillsVet said: It's strange that McD would toss aside an assistant who's been serving in the NFL under the HC for 6 seasons, was in year 1 as safeties coach and had been promoted twice before his latest role. But let's say it's more related to scheme diversity...that still points to this not being a focus for a few years and the HC shares in that. It shouldn't take 5+ seasons to understand that modern offenses going up against specific alignments in coverage are going to figure them out. Seems more like throwing a deck chair off the Titanic after their drubbing versus Cincinnati. It may be a negligible move, but I have a feeling the decision was in the works long before Cincinnati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 agree w teh above, does feel like a scapegoat move. i haven't heard that they re signed the ole turtle yet, so i still hold out hope that he's gone. im thinking they brought danna in because they expect to train up some new safeties which we will likely be drafting. i really hope it doesn't come at the expense of WR and OL help, but if it did i would be anything but shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 The only accountability for last season better not only fall on this safety’s coach. The guy’s responsibility is a drop in the bucket. Come on. Do better with this defense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Pretty incredible track record: https://pro-football-history.com/coach/2238/joe-danna-bio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I find it amusing how many people admit they know nothing about him but still say it’s a bad hire 😂 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, whorlnut said: Haha…he was a 2 year starter in college…at WR. This feels like one of our former coaches moving from WR coach to QB coach. Whatever I guess… Why are we hiring a college WR to be a safeties coach? Makes no sense. Ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 superbowl here we come SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Look out for this potential signing- Jonathan Owens, S Bio: 27, 5’11, Missouri West, undrafted and signed by the Texans in 2021 for a two year, $1.2M contract 2022 Stats: 17 game, 125 tackles, 1 sack, 4 passes defended. Keep or Release: Keep. Owens played the third most defensive snaps behind Christian Kirksey and Jalen Pitre. The husband to Olympic gold medalist Simone Biles also was second on the team in tackles. He was one of the most valuable players on the defense at just above $1M and would be inclined to sign a negotiated contract to stay in Houston. Whoever takes over for the defense will have a huge say, but at the right price Owens should stay. https://www.battleredblog.com/2023/1/24/23556551/houston-texans-2022-free-agent-evaluation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: It may be a negligible move, but I have a feeling the decision was in the works long before Cincinnati. Certainly. But you can't just blame the Safeties coach and use the injuries as a reason they weren't better defensively. Something's gotta give there. And hey, maybe it's to finally become a more scheme diverse unit and the incoming guy is better suited to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 The thought that this team looked at film and thought the defensive game plan was solid during the playoff the last couple of years is crazy to me. Yeah we won a lot of double digit games this year but we also made some subpar QBs look pretty good playing against the Bills. But ya cant say that during the season or you're a bad fan and should go cheer for the other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Tinkering around with safeties coaches suggests Frazier is back for next season. No matter what happens this offseason this will be the most disappointing news for Bills fans. It's disappointing that the Bills define a successful season as feasting on a largely mediocre league and getting punched in the face by the 1-2 decent teams come playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 welcome: JoeDanna...experienced and comes from a talented family... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I'm tired of McDermott's "Humble & Hungry" approach. It's weak. Sounds like a mission statement for the Boy Scouts. This is the NFL! I'd prefer "Scoundrels and Super Bowls" or "Troublemakers and Trophy's". This Bills lack toughness. They cower when punched in the face. EVERY big running back in the NFL runs OVER them. Bills need a change in attitude... Fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I have a friend that works for an NFL team (not the Bills) and he told me that this is a very good hire. He is known to be very good in the development of young players and to teach them to play in a disciplined system. With the strong likelihood of the Bills having a secondary with at least two first or second year starters, this makes perfect sense. Like most casual fans, I'm not qualified to pass judgement on the capability of an assistant coach. That's why I reached out to someone who is in a position to know. I hope this helps to ease the stress for the people that are out there with their "hair on fire" over this hiring. 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: I have a friend that works for an NFL team (not the Bills) and he told me that this is a very good hire. He is known to be very good in the development of young players and to teach them to play in a disciplined system. With the strong likelihood of the Bills having a secondary with at least two first or second year starters, this makes perfect sense. Like most casual fans, I'm not qualified to pass judgement on the capability of an assistant coach. That's why I reached out to someone who is in a position to know. I hope this helps to ease the stress for the people that are out there with their "hair on fire" over this hiring. I appreciate a rational post. While I would like to see other changes, this particular change may be a good one. The Bills have some areas to improve, based on the last half of this season and the playoffs, but they remain one of the top teams in the NFL and are not, contrary to what some on this board think, run by incompetent rubes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Boom. Between the ST's coach last year and this guy, we found our missing pieces. Good luck beating us next year Bengals! It won't even be close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 4 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I find it amusing how many people admit they know nothing about him but still say it’s a bad hire 😂 The miserable f#@$s moaning about positional coaches who couldn't name another safety coach in the league do not deserve happiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Gugny said: Pretty incredible track record: https://pro-football-history.com/coach/2238/joe-danna-bio Is this a coaching career that advanced? Seems like someone getting less and less defensive responsibilities. I wish him success... we need the help with a loss of veteran leadership backstopping our secondary. Edited February 3, 2023 by WideNine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 8 hours ago, jethro_tull said: the cincy game was enough of a coverage failure to justify the firing imho. there were other games too and it happened last season. It wasn't a SAFETIES coverage failure... it was a DEFENSIVE COVERAGE fsilure overall, which falls at the feet of Frazier. That's TWICE our defense has caved in two big playoff games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Warcodered said: With a career history of the Texans, Jaguars, and Falcons how could we say no. Another fall guy for Frazier next year! 9 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: This means we're stuck with Frazier?? Championship!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 15 years experience how much do you all have again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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