Sean Payton going to Broncos country - for a 2023 first and 2024 2nd - get Saints 2024 Third

[Nextmanup]

Denver's ownership group is the richest in the NFL; they have unlimited money.

Why not throw some around and see if you can make the most out of the Wilson situation with a guy who is supposed to be an offensive genius?

 

 

[H2o]

So.......the Broncos have zero draft capital for the next 2 years pretty much, a craptastic phony for a QB they are tied to until 2026, but hey, they have Sean Payton. 

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, Bills Fan in MD said:

You have to wonder about an organization that throws away first round draft picks like they're water in exchange for an over-the-hill QB and a head coach whose success depends on the play of that QB.

What could go wrong?

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I think they are screwed unless he can find a QB. Honestly, I think Russ is toast.

They are screwed. just dont know it yet

[GETTOTHE50]

What choice did the broncos have. They have to get the most out of that Wilson contract some how. This is double or nothing 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

What choice did the broncos have. They have to get the most out of that Wilson contract some how. This is double or nothing 

doubling down is not always wise though

[WyoAZBillfan]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Broncos may be the dumbest pro sports organization on the planet. And that's say a lot.

Beating out Cleveland for the title?

[bills6969]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

What’s funny is the guy literally has almost the exact same record as Mike McCarthy who most of the Dallas fanbase wants run out of town. 
I hope he at least makes that division more competitive but I really have my doubts that Russell’s problems are fixable.

Disagree with Russ’ problems not being fixable.  I think his problem this year was coaching.  There’s no way he goes from his play in Seattle to a dud in Denver.  The issue was a coach that couldn’t adjust his offense to tailor to his QBs strengths.  Pete Carroll was a master at this.  I mean look what he’s doing with Geno and how he’s getting the max out of him.

[TheCockSportif]

3 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

Disagree with Russ’ problems not being fixable.  I think his problem this year was coaching.  There’s no way he goes from his play in Seattle to a dud in Denver.  The issue was a coach that couldn’t adjust his offense to tailor to his QBs strengths.  Pete Carroll was a master at this.  I mean look what he’s doing with Geno and how he’s getting the max out of him.

Russ's problems are fixable so long as he is actually interested in playing actual football again, not the marketing campaign that talks about him playing football, but like actual grinding, and no offense to any fan of Tinder or Grindr on this board.

[78thealltimegreat]

8 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

Disagree with Russ’ problems not being fixable.  I think his problem this year was coaching.  There’s no way he goes from his play in Seattle to a dud in Denver.  The issue was a coach that couldn’t adjust his offense to tailor to his QBs strengths.  Pete Carroll was a master at this.  I mean look what he’s doing with Geno and how he’s getting the max out of him.

That’s the thing he did this under Pete Carroll…Sean hasn’t shown he can really develop any QB not named Drew Brees and Drew wasn’t really needing development as when the Chargers traded him there a bunch of people who wanted him to start over Phillip Rivers 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Interestingly though the people who saw him the most - Schneider and Carroll - were ready to move on for a few years for the right deal. I always thought that was mad but maybe there was something to it. 

You are correct Gunner Chris Mortenson swears they wanted to trade him to Cleveland in 2018 for the number one pick so Pete could take one Josh Allen. But Cleveland nixed the deal and we are all better for Cleveland’s ineptness 

[TheCockSportif]

42 minutes ago, H2o said:

So.......the Broncos have zero draft capital for the next 2 years pretty much, a craptastic phony for a QB they are tied to until 2026, but hey, they have Sean Payton. 

We shall see.  Payton went to the Saints and turned that moribund franchise around.  Yeah, he's been out of the game for a bit, but we'll see.  I'm kinda thinking that he's going to be the ghost of Mike Ditka, but maybe there's a precious Dick Vermeil season or two in him.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

38 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

What could go wrong?

Remember that line from 'Laverne and Shirley'?

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Sarcasm, it is.

With some of the takes on this board lately, I can't always tell.  😄

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

We shall see.  Payton went to the Saints and turned that moribund franchise around.  Yeah, he's been out of the game for a bit, but we'll see.  I'm kinda thinking that he's going to be the ghost of Mike Ditka, but maybe there's a precious Dick Vermeil season or two in him.

He's been out of the game for a year, not a long time like those other two were. I'm just talking about the situation he's walking into. No draft capital, a crappy/phony/diva QB, and in the same division as Mahomes and Herbert. 

[C.Biscuit97]

May not work and Russell might be cooked (I think they should draft a guy to develop anyway). But one thing I respect about Denver is they constantly are going for it. 
 

also, Elway is an awful decision maker. 

[Might Rather]

43 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Broncos may be the dumbest pro sports organization on the planet. And that's say a lot.

Beating out Cleveland for the title?

I agree this is the dumb organization but it's going to take way more to take the title from Cleveland. 

[C.Biscuit97]

8 minutes ago, H2o said:

He's been out of the game for a year, not a long time like those other two were. I'm just talking about the situation he's walking into. No draft capital, a crappy/phony/diva QB, and in the same division as Mahomes and Herbert. 

If they scored like 19 points or something in all their game this year, I believe they would have had 12 wins or something like that. There’s a lot of talent on that team and a small ipgrade from a god awful offense will make them very, very tough. 

16 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

We shall see.  Payton went to the Saints and turned that moribund franchise around.  Yeah, he's been out of the game for a bit, but we'll see.  I'm kinda thinking that he's going to be the ghost of Mike Ditka, but maybe there's a precious Dick Vermeil season or two in him.

Ditka might be the most overrated coaches in nfl history. He lived off Buddy Ryan building a dominant defense.

 

offensive coaches with a system csn definitely have success else where. 

[bobobonators]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

If you're trying to right the ship with Russ, then I don't think there's a better move that can be made.  

 

They don't need much of anything on offense.  Just a mind to get the most out of Wilson.  

This is not directed at you. I just find it funny when we look at other teams rosters compared to our own. 
 

DENVER doesn’t need much of anything on offense but the Bills need an entire new OL, 2 WR, a TE and a RB. 🤣

[KDIGGZ]

This is what you call doubling down. They dug a hole getting Wilson and now they have to take another big swing to try and salvage it. The desperation is strong

[frostbitmic]

The Broncos need to carry pepper spray on their late night walks along the streets of Denver. They've been getting assaulted badly.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

So is this correct, or is the subject line of this thread saying Saints 2023 third correct?

 

 

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

Adam Schefter on Twitter: "Former 49ers’ defensive coordinator DeMeco Ryans and the Houston Texans reached agreement today on a six-year deal, per sources. Texans have their new head coach. https://t.co/1CvFSLvZY5" / Twitter

 

Texans have their new HC as well.

 

So Rapoport is reporting that Denver actually tried hard to recruit Demeco Ryans

 

 

Meanwhile, the 49ers are trying to backfill their newly-opened DC position from the Panthers:

 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think they are screwed unless he can find a QB. Honestly, I think Russ is toast.

 

It's a good question, isn't it: can Sean Payton revive Russ's career?

 

I think it's all in the "Let Russ Cook" stuff.  Russ has always had the moon shots, but the moon shots/let Russ cook stuff went to his head

I think Carroll got fed up with trying to get him to work within an offensive system.

 

And from various expert analysis, that was a lot of the problem in Denver, too - there would be guys open, and Russ was just not making the correct defensive read and going to the same place to hit the open man (there were other things too, like receivers not helping him out, and not always having guys open or protection, but there was more "meat on the bone" than he showed.)

[Big Blitz]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So is this correct, or is the subject line of this thread saying Saints 2023 third correct?

 

 

 

 

Fixed.  
 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Billsflyer12]

53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

May not work and Russell might be cooked (I think they should draft a guy to develop anyway). But one thing I respect about Denver is they constantly are going for it. 
 

also, Elway is an awful decision maker. 

Elway was an awful GM, but we wasn’t involved in this.  The current GM is just as awful though.  He traded 2 1st, 2 2nds, 3 players for Russ and then gave him the worst contract in NFL history 2 years before he was even due for an extention.

 

Just brutal

Edited February 1, 2023 by Billsflyer12

[PetermansRedemption]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Denver's ownership group is the richest in the NFL; they have unlimited money.

Why not throw some around and see if you can make the most out of the Wilson situation with a guy who is supposed to be an offensive genius?

 

 

If it was just money, I’d be all on board if I was a Broncos fan. For a first and a second when your team is trash with little cap space? No thank you. 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

What’s funny is the guy literally has almost the exact same record as Mike McCarthy who most of the Dallas fanbase wants run out of town. 
I hope he at least makes that division more competitive but I really have my doubts that Russell’s problems are fixable.

 

I agree.  I wonder if Wilson got approval on hire.

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

So is this correct, or is the subject line of this thread saying Saints 2023 third correct?

 

 

 

So Rapoport is reporting that Denver actually tried hard to recruit Demeco Ryans

 

 

Meanwhile, the 49ers are trying to backfill their newly-opened DC position from the Panthers:

 

Crap. I was really hoping Buffalo would hire Wilks to replace Frazier.

 

He was the guy McDermott originally wanted to be his DC when he was first hired but Carolina promoted him to keep him. I thought with him available maybe there was a chance McDermott would move on from Frazier for him. 

4 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Good...now Fangio to SF and the Dolphins are SOL.

Didn’t Miami already hire Fangio and make him the NFL’s highest paid coordinator? What am I missing? Did the deal fall through?

 

edit - never mind I see now the deal wasn’t finalized yet.

Edited February 1, 2023 by BillsFan4

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

So Rapoport is reporting that Denver actually tried hard to recruit Demeco Ryans

 

 

Twitter wars between Rapoport and Schefter:

 

 

Both these guys are usually credible and have good sources

[transplantbillsfan]

Ummmm... between the Russell Wilson trade and now this do the Broncos have ANY draft picks for the foreseeable future?

[Scott7975]

A coach that couldnt do anything with prime Brees is going to turn around a team with washed Wilson.  Im not buying it like I bought it last season.

[PetermansRedemption]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Ummmm... between the Russell Wilson trade and now this do the Broncos have ANY draft picks for the foreseeable future?

And they have minimal cap space as well. And the same roster that went 5-12. I get that Hackett was a terrible coach, but what does Payton really get you when the GM can’t even improve the roster? Maybe 8-9, 9-8? 

[ALLEN1QB]

Think we could get a 7th for McD?

[Matt_In_NH]

48 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Think we could get a 7th for McD?

9-8 playoff record for Payton, 4-5 for McD.  Payton had Brees the whole time and every resource to do whatever it took yet he got to one SB total.  Not saying he is a bad coach but Payton is a tad bit overrated IMO.  He helped run that team into the ground and the are still digging out.

[Buffalo Junction]

13 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Twitter wars between Rapoport and Schefter:

 

 

Both these guys are usually credible and have good sources

Seems as though one is getting info from the Broncos front office, and the other is getting info from agents. 

[Alphadawg7]

Bahahahaha this is so stupid.

 

Peyton is the most overrated Coach I’ve ever seen.  He struggled to even make the playoffs and missed them many times with Prime Drew Brees throwing for near or over 5000 yards.  
 

Broncos in the past 12 months have now invested 3 first round picks (two of which are top nine picks), 3 second round picks, a 5th round pick, 3 players (Including two who were very good starters for Seattle this year) and a butt load of money for:  An old Russel Wilson and an overrated coach.  
 

That is without question the worst use of draft capital (not to mention the other resources like players and cap space from Wilson’s deal) I have seen since Ditka traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams or since Minnesota sent all those picks to Dallas for that insane moron Herschel Walker.  
 

You can rebuild a franchise with all those picks, cash, and players.  Yet they chose to spend it on Wilson on the downside of his career and a HC whose record is underwhelming considering he had the 2nd most prolific passer in NFL history most in his prime during his career as a HC.  
 

This is why I kept telling all the ridiculous posts on here there was ZERO percent chance Peyton was coming here because Beane would never be so stupid to trade that kind of capital to get an overrated HC.

 

For all that offense, they didn’t win much and didn’t make the Super Bowl but one time (during hurricane Katrina) the lone season they had motivation and actually had a good defense to go with the good offense.  

Edited February 1, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

19 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

What’s funny is the guy literally has almost the exact same record as Mike McCarthy who most of the Dallas fanbase wants run out of town. 
I hope he at least makes that division more competitive but I really have my doubts that Russell’s problems are fixable.

 

And a worse record than McDermott

[Low Positive]

17 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

If it was just money, I’d be all on board if I was a Broncos fan. For a first and a second when your team is trash with little cap space? No thank you. 

Exactly. This isn't baseball where you can buy your way out of problems. At least the Rams got productive players for their picks.

[KHAN]

17 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Crap. I was really hoping Buffalo would hire Wilks to replace Frazier.

 

He was the guy McDermott originally wanted to be his DC when he was first hired but Carolina promoted him to keep him.

The report says they asked permission to talk to him. They didn't hire him. But if Sean asks for permission to talk to him he needs a backup plan, because Frazier would be gone.

 

I think McD and Frazier are good enough coaches to fix the defense. It's the philosophy that needs to change. 2 years of getting torched in the playoffs has to be a wake up call to address this. If not, it doesn't matter who the coordinator is if Sean wants this type of defense.

[Dr. Who]

4 hours ago, KHAN said:

The report says they asked permission to talk to him. They didn't hire him. But if Sean asks for permission to talk to him he needs a backup plan, because Frazier would be gone.

 

I think McD and Frazier are good enough coaches to fix the defense. It's the philosophy that needs to change. 2 years of getting torched in the playoffs has to be a wake up call to address this. If not, it doesn't matter who the coordinator is if Sean wants this type of defense.

I have zero confidence that McD and Frazier are going to change their philosophy. The best I am hoping is that the FO feels enough heat that they truly devote most of the draft and limited fa assets to improving the oline and helping Josh out. Josh and Dorsey also need to get together and decide who is going to be the grown up in the room. I hate this feeling that we are wasting prime years of the franchise qb we waited a generation for to replace Kelly.

[Richard Noggin]

On 1/31/2023 at 6:03 PM, GETTOTHE50 said:

What choice did the broncos have. They have to get the most out of that Wilson contract some how. This is double or nothing 

 

On 1/31/2023 at 6:05 PM, 3rdand12 said:

doubling down is not always wise though