In a 3 year period, how did we end up with so many holes on this team.

[Mango]

40 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Milano is very good and White was great, but I think Dawkins is the most overrated played on the Bills. He is so slow and gets beat by speed all the time. Question is, why does McD get credit for this draft but Beane is the one for everything else? I think he gets too much credit for player personnel and too little for the people he hires. 

Beane was not an employee of the Buffalo Bills or PSE at the time of the draft. He was working in the front office of the Carolina Panthers….That is why Beane doesn’t get credit. 

 

The Bills OL would be much better if Dawkins was our weakest link. I agree he can be upgraded. This isn’t a strong tackle draft, but if the Bills find a LT they love I’d be ok with kicking Dawkins inside. 

 

 

[Julio Hopkins]

Extremely poor drafting.  

 

I'm not giving up hope on the 2022 draft.  I'm curious to see Elam, Cook, and Shakir with better coaching.  

 

2021, 2020, and 2019 all look generally bad.  Rousseau, Epenesa, and Basham look like complete nonfactors.  Ed Oliver was a bust for a ninth overall pick.  Cody Ford was a total bust.  Spencer Brown and Devin Singletary might turn out to be a decent third rounders.  Gabe Davis and Dawson Knox are the only good looking picks.  

 

2018 is the only solid looking draft.  Allen, Edmunds, Philips, Johnson, and Teller are all great picks especially for their draft positions.  

 

Way too much priority on the defense.  Not nearly enough for the offense in an offensive driven league.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said:

Extremely poor drafting.  

 

I'm not giving up hope on the 2022 draft.  I'm curious to see Elam, Cook, and Shakir with better coaching.  

 

2021, 2020, and 2019 all look generally bad.  Rousseau, Epenesa, and Basham look like complete nonfactors.  Ed Oliver was a bust for a ninth overall pick.  Cody Ford was a total bust.  Spencer Brown and Devin Singletary might turn out to be a decent third rounders.  Gabe Davis and Dawson Knox are the only good looking picks.  

 

2018 is the only solid looking draft.  Allen, Edmunds, Philips, Johnson, and Teller are all great picks especially for their draft positions.  

 

Way too much priority on the defense.  Not nearly enough for the offense in an offensive driven league.  

Yep….and when you look closer you’ll see that over that last half decade they found ONE offensive lineman. Note, O Line consumes the most players of any position on your entire roster. Result….a mess. 

[Bob in STL]

I really don't see a lot of holes, but I see it will be difficult to upgrade as much as needed.

 

 RB - If Singletary leaves we have Cook, can probably find someone in the draft around 4-5 and in free agency

WR - Top 3 spot, next year Shakir should be better and maybe Davis matures more as a full time starter

C/G - Top 3 pick needed,  probably gonna look at F/A as well

CB  - Elam and Benford both showed promise, Tre will be back so will Taron and Dane

S   - Poyer gone, Hyde may be back, Hamlin probably gone -  Top 3 pick here

LB - Edmunds will likely be tagged. 

DL - bring back the crew plow Von all season

[gobills404]

Let’s take a look at the Eagles holes this offseason:

 

1. DT (Everyone except Davis is a FA)

2. DT again

3. DE (Graham, Quinn are FA)

4. CB (Bradberry is a FA)

5. FS (Epps is a FA)

6. RG (Seumalo is a FA)

7. WR (their WRs suck outside of Smith and Brown)

 

Oh and they have $5m in cap space and need to pay Hurts big money in this offseason or next. This is just how it goes in the NFL.

 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Fallser said:

Terrel Bernard...like, What the Bleep???

if i had the pick over obviously id do it differently. that said he was drafted knowing year 1 would be a redshirt. i cant say i know what the vision is, but it was at a position we def werent reaching for. there must have been SOMETHING that stuck out about him. hoping he took/takes advantage of that redshirt year, and we get to see exactly what they saw.  supposedly a smart player, and he looked explosive blitzing.

 

100% not defending the pick at all, but there IS a plan (could be an awful one?).  wish we had a do over, next best thing is his red shirt gave us a tool of sorts

[BillsShredder83]

43 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said:

Extremely poor drafting.  

 

I'm not giving up hope on the 2022 draft.  I'm curious to see Elam, Cook, and Shakir with better coaching.  

 

2021, 2020, and 2019 all look generally bad.  Rousseau, Epenesa, and Basham look like complete nonfactors.  Ed Oliver was a bust for a ninth overall pick.  Cody Ford was a total bust.  Spencer Brown and Devin Singletary might turn out to be a decent third rounders.  Gabe Davis and Dawson Knox are the only good looking picks.  

 

2018 is the only solid looking draft.  Allen, Edmunds, Philips, Johnson, and Teller are all great picks especially for their draft positions.  

 

Way too much priority on the defense.  Not nearly enough for the offense in an offensive driven league.  

Ive seen this assumed many times in this thread. 8 sacks isnt exactly sexy, but i dont think it is anything to base analysis of a #30 overall pick on either. hes improved 2 years in a row and has been disruptive. fully expect him to continue developing, and see his potential as (hopefully) other pieces around him take shape

[Fallser]

1 hour ago, Julio Hopkins said:

Extremely poor drafting.  

 

I'm not giving up hope on the 2022 draft.  I'm curious to see Elam, Cook, and Shakir with better coaching.  

 

2021, 2020, and 2019 all look generally bad.  Rousseau, Epenesa, and Basham look like complete nonfactors.  Ed Oliver was a bust for a ninth overall pick.  Cody Ford was a total bust.  Spencer Brown and Devin Singletary might turn out to be a decent third rounders.  Gabe Davis and Dawson Knox are the only good looking picks.  

 

2018 is the only solid looking draft.  Allen, Edmunds, Philips, Johnson, and Teller are all great picks especially for their draft positions.  

 

Way too much priority on the defense.  Not nearly enough for the offense in an offensive driven league.  

I keep suppressing the fact that Oliver was the 9th overall pick that year, while he’s a nice player, he’s not been a difference maker/foundational player…this years draft needs to be solid, especially since we draft 28 or whatever the heck spot we’re in…

[PrimeTime101]

4 minutes ago, Fallser said:

I keep suppressing the fact that Oliver was the 9th overall pick that year, while he’s a nice player, he’s not been a difference maker/foundational player…this years draft needs to be solid, especially since we draft 28 or whatever the heck spot we’re in…

he needs to hit a homerun first 3 picks.

[SydneyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

They absolutely have to now. The Bills were damn lucky that Josh survived the entire season. If he gets injured…they’re toast! How does everyone think Brady is still playing at his age? It is NOT because of his diet! It’s because over the course of a season he almost never gets touched. 
 

The Bills need to draft a young O Line that’ll give Josh physical and salary protection for the next five years. 

 

What I don't get is how we all see it - and have seen it for the past 2-3 years  - but they don't.

 

It's irritating and perplexing beyond belief.

[Tipster19]

5 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

Poor drafting. 
 

Bean has invested so much on the defense particularly the d line and has not had an ROI

 

While also not investing enough on the offensive line and receivers

 

Doesn’t help at all that Zay Jones was drafted in the 2nd round which could have been used on someone who is still on the team and not just contributing but making a difference.

 

The same goes for Cody Ford and Zach moss.

 

you can only mask drafting poorly for so long before it slaps you in the face. This isn’t a one off season fix.

Point well taken. Jones, Ford and Moss, that’s 2 2nd rders and Moss was a 3rd rder in 5 drafts that were just pissed away. I love Beane but just those 3 picks alone are proven to be mistakes. 

[PepeSilvia]

I just don’t understand why it’s hard to accept that the Bills have Brandon Beane and Sean McDemott problem.

 

Too many wasted high draft picks that aren’t difference makers

 

For a defensive minded head coach, the defense has gotten absolutely torched the past two post seasons

 

He’s also been out coached and out played in all 4 playoff appearances 

 

He’s Tony Dungy. Good enough to get you to the playoffs and win a game or two, but not good enough to beat the great teams and great coaches when it matters. 
 

We’re going to regret if not already regret letting Schoen and Daboll go to Giants. they got impact players in their first draft and maximized the minimal talent they have on their roster.  

 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by PepeSilvia

[Mango]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yep….and when you look closer you’ll see that over that last half decade they found ONE offensive lineman. Note, O Line consumes the most players of any position on your entire roster. Result….a mess. 

We roll with 5 DB’s as well, but I get your pint. 

18 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

 

We’re going to regret if not already regret letting Schoen and Daboll go to Giants. they got impact players in their first draft and maximized the minimal talent they have on their roster.  

 

 

 

What are the rules on interviewing?

 

Can we request an interview for Super GM and Senior Mega HC?

[Dopey]

6 hours ago, Fallser said:

JA17 covered up a lot of holes for us and he was injured this year and couldn't cover all the slack that was on this team: OL a mess, secondary a mess. Epenesa, Basham, Elam and others are disappointing picks.  NFL = Not For Long...

What are you talking about? Josh got hurt vs the jets. We went 8-1 after that, before the loss to the bengals. He was throwing a bunch of red zone picks and the team still did enough to win. The bengals loss was a complete team loss, Josh included. 

[davefan66]

8 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

1. HB. For the sake of argument, likely Singletary is going to be gone

2. Guard. say no more.

3. Tackle. no doubt.

4. WR Shakir deserves his shot as #3 next year and this WR team not getting younger.

5. DT

6. Its likely we do not pay Edmunds what he want unless he accepts a home team contract.

7. FS. I love Poyer but we need speed here.

 

We have a decision to make. We start the year at 4 mil to the good. Do we go all in on The O'Line or do we continue to draft aged vets to fil holes and live with what we got?

 

Change is needed but how do we move forward? Outside of coaching, what is your game plan? Fix one group or what?

Agree we need safety help. Found out the depth isn’t that great.  WR? Hope Davis finds his groove and expect Shakir to step up.  Could use a number 3 and change. Dawkins and Brown are our tackles, will be fine. Guard? Yeah, Saffold has to go for sure, or just be a backup.We lose Edmunds and that’s a decent hole to fix.

 

All in all, don’t see us having more holes than usual, or that other teams face. But those hole will be highly scrutinized based on trying to stay in the window.  The problem is the cap space and how do we stay relevant while working within the constraints of the cap? That’s the million dollar question.

 

Beane can restructure a few contracts and live on the edge again.  Can probably do that for a few more years, which other teams have proven that it is possible.  If you do it right, you can float for a bit.  Unless there is a down year and the cap doesn’t go up as much as planned, as it did this year.  I believe that’s what put a crimp in our cap situation.  Don’t think Beane expected the lower cap increase which can impact the next year, or two?

Edited January 26, 2023 by davefan66

[Trogdor]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

Beane was not an employee of the Buffalo Bills or PSE at the time of the draft. He was working in the front office of the Carolina Panthers….That is why Beane doesn’t get credit. 

 

The Bills OL would be much better if Dawkins was our weakest link. I agree he can be upgraded. This isn’t a strong tackle draft, but if the Bills find a LT they love I’d be ok with kicking Dawkins inside. 

 

 

I meant why doesn't Whaley get credit. It's like how people forget that he found Hyde and Poyer. Not a great drafter, but McD gets a lot of credit for stuff he probably didn't do, like have his team prepared. 

[PBF81]

15 hours ago, PepeSilvia said:

This isn’t a one off season fix.

 

Especially when the one doing the fixing is the one that created the mess.

 

Doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result ...

[SoMAn]

I assume it was a misspelling and the topic should have ready so many 'A holes on this forum'.

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

7. Safeties will be Hyde & Hamlin. We had drafted Hamlin and Johnson to replace Hyde and Poyer. As we found this year, Johnson aint it, but Hamlin wasnt too bad in his first year getting real reps.

I would be absolutely floored if Hamlin ever suits up again. First, he’d have to get right physicality and mentally. Then the Bills or another team would have to put him back out there and risk something else happening. I don’t know that either of those things happen and I seriously doubt both. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I would be absolutely floored if Hamlin ever suits up again. First, he’d have to get right physicality and mentally. Then the Bills or another team would have to put him back out there and risk something else happening. I don’t know that either of those things happen and I seriously doubt both. 

 

If it was such a fluky "perfect shot" and not a preexisting condition, then I could see the possibility. Especially with him being only 24 and in good shape prior.

 

That Premier League soccer player came back like 200 days later. Not an exact comparison, but a decent example.

 

Fingers crossed that it's 50/50.

[Jrb1979]

Why so many holes? This sums it up. 

 

This is from a tweet from Bruce Nolan

 

"Since the 2018 Bills draft that included Allen, Edmunds, and Taron Johnson, they have acquired, through draft or FA, 4 players I would consider to be no-brainer "sign them to market/close to market contracts when theirs are up":

 

Mitch Morse

Daquan Jones

Tyler Bass

Sam Martin"

Edited January 26, 2023 by Jrb1979

[newcam2012]

14 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

I really don't see a lot of holes, but I see it will be difficult to upgrade as much as needed.

 

 RB - If Singletary leaves we have Cook, can probably find someone in the draft around 4-5 and in free agency

WR - Top 3 spot, next year Shakir should be better and maybe Davis matures more as a full time starter

C/G - Top 3 pick needed,  probably gonna look at F/A as well

CB  - Elam and Benford both showed promise, Tre will be back so will Taron and Dane

S   - Poyer gone, Hyde may be back, Hamlin probably gone -  Top 3 pick here

LB - Edmunds will likely be tagged. 

DL - bring back the crew plow Von all season

You don't see a lot of holes? You have to be kidding me. You are as good as your last game. Did you see the last game the Bills played? Both lines got destroyed, the Bills secondary couldn't stop the pass and the line couldn't stop the run. The Bills offense scored 10 points. The best WR for the Bills was Cole Beasley. I did like the Bills punter though. 

14 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

if i had the pick over obviously id do it differently. that said he was drafted knowing year 1 would be a redshirt. i cant say i know what the vision is, but it was at a position we def werent reaching for. there must have been SOMETHING that stuck out about him. hoping he took/takes advantage of that redshirt year, and we get to see exactly what they saw.  supposedly a smart player, and he looked explosive blitzing.

 

100% not defending the pick at all, but there IS a plan (could be an awful one?).  wish we had a do over, next best thing is his red shirt gave us a tool of sorts

The guy gave the Bills zero production. When he sniffed the field he was bad. The pick was a huge reach and never made sense. Stop trying to see the glass half full here because it's empty. 

[colin]

it's true our drafting has been pure cheeks outside of josh, but that's not the whole answer.

 

our coaching seems like it is set and forget w josh rescuing us regularly to beat up on the weak and limited, but not enough adjusting/preperation for the big dogs in the playoffs.

 

in terms of roster tho, we don't develop/play rookies enough.  that LB having like one bad game and no other exposure, elam sitting so much, cook and shakir sitting behind motor and mckenzie because they made mistakes THAT THE STARTERS MAKE EVEN WORSE THAN THEY DO!  

 

i think we have a cultural like union ship mentality that is hurting us.  we don't give the new guys enough of a shot (i remember peterman starting over allen, for shame!) and most importantly we over pay for role players who are great "cultural fits".  knox was paid a bit too much, you could argue that milano was too (he's a sick player tho, so that's marginal).  

 

We run this kinda fragile defensive scheme that relies on pass rush out of 4 platooned DL, but we still paid milano (again player is worth it but investing in the position like that in our D is sus) and paid top 3 corner money for tre, and top safety money for hyde and poyer, and now we are talking big dollars for edmunds?  von coming in and falling out made a huge measurable impact in our d, similar (but less) w D Jones.  we were a mash unit in the secondary for most of the season and sort of had the same results.

 

imo we need to be smart about where we dump resources, money contracts and draft picks.  trading a first for diggs (even tho jefferson woulda been there and turned out great, we don't know we woulda taken him and we didn't know at the time he woulda been there) was actually an astute and great move.  signing brown adn bease at the time was great. signing morse was a + move, over paid but good guy.  we need more of that (and d jones and perhaps miller, injury will determine) and less aj klien and over paying dbs in a db protecting d.

[BarleyNY]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If it was such a fluky "perfect shot" and not a preexisting condition, then I could see the possibility. Especially with him being only 24 and in good shape prior.

 

That Premier League soccer player came back like 200 days later. Not an exact comparison, but a decent example.

 

Fingers crossed that it's 50/50.

In any event the Bills can’t count on him coming back next season. If we do get him back, it’s a nice bonus. 

[TheFunPolice]

This team has relied on Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs to be the entire offense and invested all of its premium resources on the defense. 

 

Those picks have been mediocre to bad, and the defense has been a tremendous letdown 3 YEARS IN A ROW in the playoffs. This year, for the first time, the offense was as well because it's Allen, Diggs, and a bunch of spare parts. 

 

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Beane talked about cap casualties.  Who are the candidates there.   Also makes another hole.  

[Big Turk]

You must not look at other teams very much.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 hours ago, Airseven said:

Amazing going into the season the consensus here was that Bills had best and deepest roster in NFL.

 

Not just here, but fans from other teams and the media all agreed.

 

Heck, posters here were questioning why Beane was bothering with all 8 picks since we didnt have 8 roster spots for them to even take!

[Royale with Cheese]

I honestly don't think we are as bad upfront as our production indicates.  I really think it's a philosophical problem.  I think we are too predictable and protections can be schemed against us easily and QB's/WR's identify what the coverage is and that's why they can get it out quickly.  

 

It's like we are a Madden defense on easy mode.  Zach Wilson is a dumb QB, he can't process ***** and he looked effective against us.  

[BearNorth]

Based on the 2022 season the following Bills starters are graded in the bottom half of the league at their respective positions:

I've included Player age

RG Bates (26)

WR2 Davis (24)

SS Poyer (32)

Slot McKenzie (28)

C Morse (31)

CB1 White (Injury in 2021) (28)

CB2 Jackson (26)

RT Brown (25)

LG Saffold (35)

 

9/22 starters graded in bottom half of the league...

[Eastport bills]

One bad loss and we have so many holes? The O-line needs a guard/ctr,a depth guard and a depth tackle. A better O-line coach might be more important. The D-line has Miller,Rousseau , Jones and Oliver with Settle and Epenesa for depth. LB will require Edmunds resigning or 1st rd lb because our defense wants to play with 5 db. We need another receiver and rb to replace Motor. We need another Safety to replace Poyer. So we need 6 or 7 players. What team couldn’t use 6 or 7 upgrades.  With our core players, a new DC and strategic upgrades we could be better next year.

[ngbills]

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2023/1/26/23571816/brandon-beane-buffalo-bills-draft-free-agency-success-2023-season

[JerseyBills]

Bad drafting. 

Point blank period 

 

We got some nice role players but zero elite guys. Except Allen, Diggs , white , Milano and Edmunds 

 

[IronyAbounds]

Let's review. 2019, Bills lose WC Round in tight contest with Texans. 2020, Bills reach Conference Championship, losing in a not that close game after two wins in the prior rounds, including a fairly dominating win over Ravens. 2021, Bills destroy Pats in WC Round and lose heartbreaker to Chiefs in Divisional Round due to coaching staff brain farts. 2022. Barely escape WC Round over Dolphins who have rookie QB, then get dominated in Divisional Round vs. Bengals. 2019 better than 2018, 2020 better than 2019, 2021 probably about the same as 2020 (loss in earlier round, but played Chiefs tougher), and then a distinct drop off in 2022 (regular season record not as important as showing in playoffs). In 2019 and 2020 the Bills definitely had talent that was reasonably young and improving, and I think that improvement showed up in 2021. Not so sure that the carry over talent from 2022 is improving, and not so sure that there are more young and improving guys vs. older and declining guys. Even given the injuries in 2022, I doubt standing pat or making relatively minor changes are going to cut it, and there are more limited options for improving the team in 2023 than existed in earlier years. Doesn't mean the Bills won't get there since the playoffs are sometimes a crap shoot that depends on match-ups. But I'm a bit skeptical that they are really that close to a Super Bowl.

[Bob in STL]

On 1/26/2023 at 7:59 AM, newcam2012 said:

You don't see a lot of holes? You have to be kidding me. You are as good as your last game. Did you see the last game the Bills played? Both lines got destroyed, the Bills secondary couldn't stop the pass and the line couldn't stop the run. The Bills offense scored 10 points. The best WR for the Bills was Cole Beasley. I did like the Bills punter though. 

 

Huge over reaction.  Take a breath.  We need help on the OL which I stated many times over the past 3 years.   We can use Legit #2 WR.  
 

The DL needs some help too.  Von will be back, that’s a start. 
 

I listed 6 positions that need help, DB included.   Rebuild not needed, just a re-tool.  We don’t have cap space or premium draft picks so they have to smart with who they bring in, and coach up the rest.  
 

We were 14-4, they played one bad game, they were mentally spent.  Turn down the panic.  

[Nextmanup]

On 1/25/2023 at 3:26 PM, Process said:

Past five years we've taken 3 RBs in the first 3 rounds.

This would be fantastically hilarious, if it wasn't so devastatingly depressing.

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

Huge over reaction.  Take a breath.  We need help on the OL which I stated many times over the past 3 years.   We can use Legit #2 WR.  
 

The DL needs some help too.  Von will be back, that’s a start. 
 

I listed 6 positions that need help, DB included.   Rebuild not needed, just a re-tool.  We don’t have cap space or premium draft picks so they have to smart with who they bring in, and coach up the rest.  
 

We were 14-4, they played one bad game, they were mentally spent.  Turn down the panic.  

No panic here whatsoever. Just a breath of reality here. The Bills do have a lot of holes and your take mentions them. You properly admit the cap space limitations and no premium picks. That's called being handcuffed. 

 

Based on past drafts and acquisitions why would you have confidence that this organization will get it right? You have pounded the table for years about the oline. Three years and counting. The Oline still isn't good which has been a consistent theme for years. But heck, this is the year they will get it right despite the above mentioned circumstances. Based on this logic, I have some land to sell you if you are interested. 

 

When have the Bills coached up their players. Isn't that what many have said about Kormer? The Oline is going to be solid because he will coach them up. How's that working out? How have the dline guys been coached up?

 

The coaching staff especially the coordinators are the weak spot of the team. Dorsey and Fraizer were abused vs Cinci. Coach McD will not lead this team to the Superbowl with this supporting cast.

 

I agrue after next season's disappointment McD and Beane will stay aboard and blame the failure ob Dorsey and Fraizer. They will be the fall guys. 

[Jrb1979]

IMO I think those that are opposed to change is they are afraid the team won't be as good and possibly go back to the drought years. 

[PrimeTime101]

44 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Huge over reaction.  Take a breath.  We need help on the OL which I stated many times over the past 3 years.   We can use Legit #2 WR.  
 

The DL needs some help too.  Von will be back, that’s a start. 
 

I listed 6 positions that need help, DB included.   Rebuild not needed, just a re-tool.  We don’t have cap space or premium draft picks so they have to smart with who they bring in, and coach up the rest.  
 

We were 14-4, they played one bad game, they were mentally spent.  Turn down the panic.  

Sorry, this is not over-reaction Monday or Tuesday, This is reality and you poked holes in your own story.

 

We need.

 

Depth at the HB Position

A starting guard (not that we know what one looks like around here lately)

A starting RT. Ditto

a true #2 WR and not a fake want a bee. 

3 starters on offense. You following me so far? 

 

A Starting DT

A Starting ILB (god knows we wont have the money to pay Edmunds)

A Starting FS. Poyer likely not staying either

3 starters on Defense.

 

6 huge holes.

 

I have only touched on depth at the HB position.

 

OH YEA. And we start at less then 10 mil to the good at the beginning of the year. Maybe restructuring JA and adding 10-15 mil will help but we have 37 contracts going into the new football season. You can maybe argue the DT position or the LB position... but come on... our depth on both lines is sloppy at best.

 

This is not about over reaction... oh no no no... this is the reality of the situation.  

 

Then people talking about "oh we stuch a bad team with holes then why did we win 14 games" 

1. We have a dude named Josh Allen

2. Our Defense is built to beat the average at best teams but we tend to struggle with good teams... 2-3 years in a row.

 

This isn't over reaction. this is a dose of reality..

[BananaB]

Poor development. Young players hardly see the field and most of the vets they bring in are just average players