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1. HB. For the sake of argument, likely Singletary is going to be gone

2. Guard. say no more.

3. Tackle. no doubt.

4. WR Shakir deserves his shot as #3 next year and this WR team not getting younger.

5. DT

6. Its likely we do not pay Edmunds what he want unless he accepts a home team contract.

7. FS. I love Poyer but we need speed here.

 

We have a decision to make. We start the year at 4 mil to the good. Do we go all in on The O'Line or do we continue to draft aged vets to fil holes and live with what we got?

 

Change is needed but how do we move forward? Outside of coaching, what is your game plan? Fix one group or what?

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Bad drafting. 

 

Past five years we've taken 3 RBs in the first 3 rounds. 1 is below average, 1 is terrible and gone, 1 is a situation player. 

 

We've taken 3 DEs in the first two rounds. 1 is average, 2 are terrible. 

 

Throwing away premium picks for years.

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JA17 covered up a lot of holes for us and he was injured this year and couldn't cover all the slack that was on this team: OL a mess, secondary a mess. Epenesa, Basham, Elam and others are disappointing picks.  NFL = Not For Long...

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This off-season should all be about retooling the interior on the offensive and defensive lines. When it comes down to it, there’s two reasons why the Bills haven’t been able to get over the jump. They don’t  run the ball. They can’t get after the QB. 

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I’m just going to focus on oline and WR and bank on if those 2 positions improve we are still a 13 win team.  
 

Need a healthy d line in the playoffs or you’re done.  
 

 

I went in to (most of us did) the Bengals game saying we needed to score 40 - because of the injuries not because we’re bad.  So not sure why I should be mad at them.  The coaches, yes.  You can’t put out a game plan or effort like that at home.  
 

I think the defense is fine. 
 

 

Oline

 

WR

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10 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

1. HB. For the sake of argument, likely Singletary is going to be gone

2. Guard. say no more.

3. Tackle. no doubt.

4. WR Shakir deserves his shot as #3 next year and this WR team not getting younger.

5. DT

6. Its likely we do not pay Edmunds what he want unless he accepts a home team contract.

7. FS. I love Poyer but we need speed here.

 

We have a decision to make. We start the year at 4 mil to the good. Do we go all in on The O'Line or do we continue to draft aged vets to fil holes and live with what we got?

 

Change is needed but how do we move forward? Outside of coaching, what is your game plan? Fix one group or what?

Poor drafting. 
 

Bean has invested so much on the defense particularly the d line and has not had an ROI

 

While also not investing enough on the offensive line and receivers

 

Doesn’t help at all that Zay Jones was drafted in the 2nd round which could have been used on someone who is still on the team and not just contributing but making a difference.

 

The same goes for Cody Ford and Zach moss.

 

you can only mask drafting poorly for so long before it slaps you in the face. This isn’t a one off season fix.

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8 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

1. HB. For the sake of argument, likely Singletary is going to be gone

2. Guard. say no more.

3. Tackle. no doubt.

4. WR Shakir deserves his shot as #3 next year and this WR team not getting younger.

5. DT

6. Its likely we do not pay Edmunds what he want unless he accepts a home team contract.

7. FS. I love Poyer but we need speed here.

 

We have a decision to make. We start the year at 4 mil to the good. Do we go all in on The O'Line or do we continue to draft aged vets to fil holes and live with what we got?

 

Change is needed but how do we move forward? Outside of coaching, what is your game plan? Fix one group or what?

2019-2022 the drafting in early rounds has been lackluster at best.  Not enough impact players.  Too many replacement role type players were picked high.  

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5 minutes ago, Fallser said:

JA17 covered up a lot of holes for us and he was injured this year and couldn't cover all the slack that was on this team: OL a mess, secondary a mess. Epenesa, Basham, Elam and others are disappointing picks.  NFL = Not For Long...

The defense was considered one of the best analytically. There’s a lot of overreacting that happens when you lose in the playoffs, especially when you don’t show up.

 

It was the first season under McDermott real injuries happened. They still got back to the point they were last year. 

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The defense was considered one of the best analytically. There’s a lot of overreacting that happens when you lose in the playoffs, especially when you don’t show up.

Who cares about the stats? When you play poor teams, average teams and above average teams during the season you’re going to have inflated stats

 

when you get to the playoffs with the really good teams, and really good coaches who have the players and know how to attack your deficiencies stats don’t really matter. 
 

this is the 4th season where the Bills and McDermott have been out played or out coached. He’s a good coach. Good but not great which really shows up when the Bills play better coached teams.

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4 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

Who cares about the stats? When you play poor teams, average teams and above average teams during the season you’re going to have inflated stats

 

when you get to the playoffs with the really good teams, and really good coaches who have the players and know how to attack your deficiencies stats don’t really matter. 

Let’s just say Chiefs and Bengals. Let’s not act like anyone else beats Buffalo.

 

We’re not beating those teams without a pass rush. Until they face them in the playoffs with a pass rush they aren’t winning.

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12 minutes ago, Process said:

Bad drafting. 

 

Past five years we've taken 3 RBs in the first 3 rounds. 1 is below average, 1 is terrible and gone, 1 is a situation player. 

 

We've taken 3 DEs in the first two rounds. 1 is average, 2 are terrible. 

 

Throwing away premium picks for years.

How can we forget 2 first round corners to play a zone?

 

One instead of Mahomes, the other we traded up for. 

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The defense we play is atrocious. It's a passive scheme designed to exploit weak opponents who fail to plan for it and make tactical errors in play selection. As we've seen 3 years running, it fails gloriously against talented teams that exploit its weaknesses and play around its strengths. That's exactly what teams like the Bengals and Chiefs have done for years.

Because of how passive it is, no one on the DL is really in a position to succeed. Before he got here, Mario Addison was a p[ass rushing monster good for 10 sacks a year. His production was instantly sliced in half and Bills fans identified him as a problem. Jerry Hughes, in his first year away from this defense recorded 9 sacks - his highest total since 2014. He had 2 last year starting in this defense.

There's not a doubt in my mind that Basham would be more successful on another team and probably Rousseau too. Epenesa tries hard, but he's not good enough to be anything more than a fringe roster player.

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Let’s just say Chiefs and Bengals. Let’s not act like anyone else beats Buffalo.

 

We’re not beating those teams without a pass rush. Until they face them in the playoffs with a pass rush they aren’t winning.

You’re making my point for me. 
 

you’re going to have to go through those 2 teams for years to come to win a SB

 

and if Miami and the jets who already played us tough and beat us this year get a QB with the talent they have on both sides of the ball, you can say goodbye to the division

 

so yes, we can beat almost every team but the two best in the conference, who have better players and coaches then us.

 

take your heart out of it and think like an outsider looking in and realize they’re just not good enough players or coaches.  They don’t have any impact players besides Allen and Diggs and a 33 going on 34 year old pass rusher with a bad knee.

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12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The defense was considered one of the best analytically. There’s a lot of overreacting that happens when you lose in the playoffs, especially when you don’t show up.

 

It was the first season under McDermott real injuries happened. They still got back to the point they were last year. 

Analytics Schmamalytics, we saw holes on the defense for some time now, when Von went down, the writing was on the wall, lets be honest here...

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